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Not unexpectedly, Erica Kinsman who accused Jameis Winston of a sexual assault that allegedly took place in December of 2012, has filed a lawsuit against former FSU star quarterback – and possible Bucs’ draft pick – Jameis Winston. Matt Baker of the Tampa Bay Times first reported Thursday’s latest news on the case.
According to Baker, Kinsman filed a lawsuit Thursday in the Circuit Court of the Ninth Judicial District over claims of sexual battery, assault, false imprisonment and “intentional infliction of emotional distress arising out of forcible rape.”
John Clune, Kinsman’s attorney released a statement after the lawsuit was filed.
“Today, a very brave young woman filed her lawsuit against Jameis Winston for the sexual battery that she reported to police in December 2012. Over the past two years, this survivor of sexual violence has had to endure a delinquent police investigation, a hostile FSU athletic department, and Mr. Winston’s bullying lawyer. But the more these forces sought to silence her, the more determined she has become to step forward and hold Jameis Winston accountable for his actions. With the support of her family, she is prepared for this fight and for the counterclaims and the smear campaigns that will surely follow.
“We know that quite often the public is quick to support the cause against sexual violence but at times can be slow to support the individual women who come forward. We hope that this case becomes a model for understanding what real sexual assault cases look like as well as the barriers that survivors face in coming forward. Perhaps more than anything, Erica hopes to show other survivors the strength and empowerment that can come from refusing to stay silent no matter what forces are against you.
“Jameis Winston in contrast has proven time and time again to be an entitled athlete who believes he can take what he wants. He took something here that he was not entitled to and he hurt someone. There are consequences for that behavior and since others have refused to hold him accountable, our client will.”
Sources tell PewterReport.com that the lawsuit will have no bearing on their decision of who will be the No. 1 selection coming up on April 30. The Buccaneers hold the first pick in the draft and are thought to be leaning heavily towards making Winston the selection.
PewterReport.com will have more on this story as information becomes available.
4-17 UPDATE: Winston’s legal counsel, David Cornwell, has issued a statement in response to Kinsman’s civil suit, saying that the “stunt was expected.”
Mark Cook currently is the director of editorial content and Bucs beat writer and has written for PewterReport.com since 2011. Cook has followed the Buccaneers since 1977 when he first began watching football with his Dad and is fond of the 1979 Bucs team that came within 10 points of going to a Super Bowl. His favorite Bucs game is still the 1979 divisional playoff win 24-17 over the Eagles. In his spare time Cook enjoys playing guitar, fishing, surfing and family time at the beach. In addition, Cook can be found in front of a television or in Doak Campbell any time the FSU Seminoles are playing. Cook is a native of Pinecrest in Eastern Hillsborough County and has written for numerous publications including the Tampa Tribune, In the Field and Ya'll Magazine. Cook can be reached at firstname.lastname@example.org
i’m home cursing my butt off right now… freaking low life lawyers…well, welcome to tampa marcus mariota. smh
This was expected, the bucs are well aware that this would happen. She couldn’t get her money any other way so this is her last resort. Her bs film didn’t get the traction she wanted.
If Winston is the guy, the lawsuit has no bearing. And timing is better now than say in the middle of OTAs, if Winston is drafted.
I hope you’re right. It sounds like the young lady is determined to drag this thing out and this kind of negative publicity is definitely not what the need. DAMN!
And if your daughter had been raped would you want her to give up seeking justice? The rationale that this women is a gold digger baffles the mind. She supposedly claims rape against a red shirt Freshman in the hopes that 2 years down the road he might be a top 10 draft pick.
I would want my daughter to pursue this case. But remember that this young lady has changed her story several times. Thats would be IMO the reason she was called a gold digger.
How could it not? They had to think this was behind him, if they ever considered him to be the number one overall choice. Maybe they get him in the 4th. But no one wants to touch an open rape case after everything the NFL went through the last couple years, alone.
there isn’t a person alive that knows this case that didn’t think this was going to happen. This was a guarantee ever since she failed the first three times.
Just think…if we draft Winston AND sign darren sharper out of state penitentiary we will have the most aggressive sexual predators in the nfl on both sides of the ball!
This is not an open rape case. It’s a civil suit cash grab timed perfectly to get the most media exposure. If Winston was an actor, and not an athlete, this suit would have been filed a week before the Oscars.
Mark I think this will become a circus The second women makes this more than a he said-she said. No way we draft him now Glazers wont want women’s groups picketing RJ. Too bad, he’s talented. IMO this is over
It will be interesting to see if there is another accuser. At this point it’s just hearsay from the same lawyer that claimed “false imprisonment” of the girl who willingly went home with Winston and was taken back to her dorm via scooter by him and timed it to get as much publicity as possible. Take it for what it’s worth but there’s no second woman until there is one on TV telling the public something we haven’t heard already.
We hear there may another accuser and suit before the draft as well. We hear the Buccaneers are aware of this suit as well as the one filed today. Do we believe it doesn’t matter to them or are we absolutely sure the Buccaneers KNOW Jameis is “innocent.” I don’t know. I also don’t know if the Bucs can afford the risk. And yes, it pisses me OFF!
Innocence or guilt isn’t an outcome of a civil suit. It’s a cash award, if successful, based upon a preponderance of the facts. There is a much lower threshhold in civil court.
And that same standard wasn’t met in the Code of Conduct hearing presided over by a retired supreme court judge. If they don’t have any new info then they aren’t going to win it either. Hence the impeccable timing of the civil suit.
her auntie lawyer is a freaking shark! lol
The Bucs were aware this happened, that’s why we never intended to draft him, yet use him as a bargaining chip. Now Mariota is the ultimate chip. I feel a trade coming. If it’s a QB, P. Rivers is the only one I would consider that has been talked about yet.
Totally agree. I think the whole locked on Winston thing was smoke.
Agree with this as well
Actually, Chip is the ultimate chip. Better watch out or he’ll trade your a** 🙂
If there’s a second lawsuit there’s no way you draft him.
There is. There is an article out there.
Show me. I can’t find a second case.
K let me dig
Would this case potentially be punishable by the NFL? Can Goodell levy a suspension on Winston regarding this case even before he sets foot on NFL turf? e
Highly doubtful. All of this info has been floating around for a good while. The NFL was aware of a potential second person, and it’s extremely doubtful that it would culminate in criminal charges.
Katie Hnida is quoted as saying “Here’s the largest problem with this and the public forgets this: [Winston] was not exonerated. He did not go through trial and proven not guilty. Insufficient evidence does not equal not guilty.”
The problem I have with that is that I can accuse anybody of anything and not have sufficient evidence. Does that make them guilty of my false accusations? At what point can the accused prove that the accusations are false?
This is unfortunately always an issue. However, unless you are being repeatedly accused (like JW), have convenient evidence disappear at the hands of your friend (like JW), create a track record of other offenses (misdemeanor in nature) to which your guilt is not in question (like JW), and have a pretty stomach-turning account of events in question (even if technically legal by your count), I don’t think you have to worry about proving your innocence.
Repeatedly accused by the same person doesn’t count as repeatedly accused.
And just to be clear @coloradobuc, I am not saying JW is guilty or innocent (I do not have all of the facts in front of me). I am just answering your question about being accused. If you want to make your job tough in proving your innocence in the public’s rate (which is sometimes unfortunately what people have to….that’s life) then you go create a whole bunch of black clouds around yourself….and it won’t matter that some of them are actually gray, and some are even white, you will have the clouds following you and you will have only yourself to blame for how hard it has become to prove your innocence in the public’s eye.
There is no second woman yet. It’s a rumor from Kinsman’s lawyers. The other things were juvenile in nature. Rape is on a whole nother level and Kinsman has failed at several attempts to get a charge. Continuing to make claims with the same lack of evidence does not make it any more true and no one, no one has to prove innocence. You have to prove guilt first.
@devasher…I appreciate your belief in a kind of a moral code based on the law which says people are innocent until proven guilty, but that’s just not the real world…Dick Fuld is innocent too, so is OJ Simpson, and Greg Hardy too…and basically the entire 49ers DLine as well….not being sent to jail and being innocent are not the same thing in the real world…like it or not.
If she lost the civil suit, Winston could, theoretically, counter-sue for defamation of character, and possibly libel or slander, if some of what she said could be proven to be false.
Lol @ jameis winston- don’t quit your day job
Trade down or roll the dice on Mariota. So he takes time to develop who cares. This team is going nowhere next year anyways. Winston is bad news. Much more likely he is a rapist than not. Add to it the other things we know are true for sure about him. He’s a moron and I don’t want him representing the Bucs. Move on he’s not so good you can ignore this stuff.
More likely he is a rapist? Wow please provide us of said evidence you have. This civil case was going to happen eventually. I don’t know why it’s surprising to most of you. When this girl is actually put in the stand and a attorney tears her crap story, you know the one she changed 4 or 5 times, it will clear things up. But to you I’m sure he’s guilty no matter the result.
The second women is a BIG problem. JW cant explain away both.
It’s simple to explain away both. Once you gave one going, anyone he came in contact with at FSU could jump on with their own case.
Maybe they’ll find a couple sororities to file a class action. 🙂
Why does crap likevthis happen the yr we pick first. Seriously im,about to give up. Its so frustrating rooting for a team that just cant catch a breAk. Why cant winston just be a fucking decent person?
Get used to it PRites. JW is probably our pick, trouble is not going away, and let’s just hope he has grown enough to make that trouble manageable (misdemeanor variety) and not anything more…
Too bad drew cook didnt come out this yeaer.
Beating a dead horse, she is just looking for money at this point. Next article please.
Go ahead and dream your little dream. Whatever rationale you need to justify WInstons actions.
WhaT if this had been your daughter who had been raped. Would you want her to give up seeking justice? The rationale that this women is a gold digger baffles the mind. She supposedly claims rape against a red shirt Freshman in the hopes that 2 years down the road he might be a top 10 draft pick.
Since we’re doing what-if’s, what if there was no rape?
I’ve reviewed the evidence and that’s what it points toward. It’s on line – go get it and get an enlightened viewpoint. Her sleazy, racist, lawyer aunt stated that she knows there was a rape because her niece would never sleep with a “black boy.” She said this having never met her niece’s black boy-friend, who’s DNA BTW was in her shorts next to Winston’s. Really, read up.
Bucko40, Not justifying Winstons actions but there has been two or three investigations on this, how many do you want? Keep investigating until they come up with the answer YOU want. As far as my daughter being the one raped I think I taught her better then go to go and get drunk and pick up guys in a bar. You reap what you sow!
I’m in total and complete agreement. I’m still looking forward to the draft party and hopefully hearing his name called.
The issue here becomes people surrounding the case can now be compelled to testify (other than Winston). His two friends can be compelled to testify under oath. Up until now they have refused to testify. Also, questions will be raised as to why it took a year to investigate. FSU and Tallahassee Police may come out of this worse than Winston. It will be an embarrassing trial if it gets to that point.
This should have no additional problems to TPD. That issue would more likely manifest during the FSU Title IX civil suit going before federal court.
A bunch of college kids just gang rapped a girl in Panama City. Rape is the most disgusting vile crime there is besides child molestation. Innocent until proven guilty, however are judicial system is obviously flawed where people with money and fame get away with murder very often. Look what happened with Mike Williams, Aqib Talib and the likes. The minute this kid gets money and he’s got the job watch the problems begin. The organization will run him out the way they did with Josh Freeman. Marc my words.
Money pure and simple.
Two 19 year old kids who both put themselves in a stupid position. Perfect situation for attorney’s to do their thing. Why did she wait until less than two weeks before the draft? It would have been better for her if she had a real case to wait until he was drafted in the No. 1 spot and worth a lot more money. Nope, attorney is trying to force a settlement. That’s what most attorney’s do anyway; settle it before it gets to a jury.
Who knows if that was going through her head two years ago; however, after releasing a film, it’s hard to overlook the cash grab angle. Attorney gotta eat too, ya know.
The district attorney felt that the claim of rape was so weak despite tox screen, rape kit etc being done and 1000 pages of documents and interviews that it didnt merit a trial let alone a conviction. False rape claims are not common but they do occur. See Duke Lacrosse case, Brian Banks, and most recently the Rolling Stone Article about rape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus
False rape claims… lmao.
This was a fake claim the way Aaron Hernandez was investigated for shooting a guy in the head outside a club in Gainesville when he was a Gator.
The campus PD was notified on the day the rape occurred according to them…
FYI second “accuser” is nothing of the sort. She came forward over a year ago and said that she needed to seek counseling after consensual sex w JW. Kinsman is trying to spin that to back up her baseless claim. bucks should be well aware of facts if someone like myself is. Obviously bad PR, be it will be spun as Kinsman hopes (“2nd accuser”) but this is nothing new…
This is a lawyer representing their client in a timely fashion to increase the suits profile and the potential pay out that will be coming once he is drafted.Though he hasnt been tried in a court of law,the public is quick to mark him guilty~this works for the attorney who is representing Kinsman.Its about money now,not justice,not establishing him guilty or innocent~but money…Her lawyer should have waited until he was drafted~guarantee that payment,but it might seem too transparent…Her lawyers have waited 3 years to file a suit~waiting until it was pretty much locked in that he will be getting NFL money…
If I was her parents/lawyer/her I would be after a conviction,as money doesnt heal the wounds of rape~or does it?Rape is a lot harder to prove but a civil suit against a high profile person whom is widely viewed and portrayed as guilty of a crime,is a pretty sure thing CHA-CHING…And she will get paid…
Bucko40, Winston has never been convicted, or charged with the crime of rape, so stop saying if he raped your daughter. You obviously believe the woman in this case, even though you don’t really know either of these two people. I know you can’t believe she’s a gold digger, even with the timing of this suit? Anyway, I’m glad this is happening. Let them have their day in court, and maybe we’ll get closer to the truth. However Bucko40 that day in court will be down the road, long after Jameis is playing for the Bucs. So I guess you and your daughter can go cheer for Mariota wherever he ends up.
Cremdonado, what is it they call a woman who gets paid after having sex? Shhh not so loud, there’s guys with daughters on this web site that don’t believe those kind of girls exist!!
We should try to trade the number 1 pick for Rothleisburger. At least that rapist is a proven superbowl winner
Thanks for that sterling comment. You just create an account to grace all of us with your wisdom?
I’ve had an account for years but rarely feel strong enough about a topic to comment. Even though I know that we’re gonna draft JW, I think it’s going to be a bad pick on so many levels. Firstly, the baseball thing scares me. Not only is there a possibility that he’s not 100% in on football but there’s a lot of mileage on his arm. At least Russell Wilson wasn’t a pitcher. Secondly, the swagger/confidence/alpha male thing vs Marriota’s attitude is being over blown. Anyone who’s spent time in Hawaii understands that the culture is about being polite and respectful while still being strong and confident. That demeanor seemed to work fine for Palumalu in a much more intense locker room like the Steelers Defense Thirdly, the system QB argument is a joke. What system did JW play in again? Oh right, the one that produced Ponder and Manuel. I understand that JW is a better prospect than they were but Marriota is a better prospect than his predecessor were too. Plus, JW playing in an NFL style offense is irrelevant. We’re not gonna be any good this year anyway and I’d prefer whoever we draft to sit and learn for a year. Lastly and most importantly the rape issue. In today’s NFL, why would you want the face of your franchise to have the possibility that he raped someone? I really doubt that he did but even the biggest JW supporters have to admit that there’s a possibility. If there wasn’t, would there be a lawsuit? One question, is Marriota being sued for rape? The general public just reads headlines so whether JW is innocent or not they’ll say “the Bucs QB is a rapist.” If you combine all of this with the fact that they are very close in on the field evaluations, I don’t know how you choose JW. Marriota has such a higher ceiling too.
Nailed it Rocketglass.
And even though the roommates allegedly delete the video of the event, it may still surface…
Very brave? OMFG… How much additional bravery does it take once you’ve released a theatrical documentary and then hit the talk show circuit.
I’m waiting for her to announce her engagement to Michael Moore. THAT would have a bit more surprise to it. 🙂
This is what the defense lawyers have been waiting for – the last gasp for attention in this case! Don’t ask me how I know this, just trust me that a good lawyer salivates at the opportunity to cross examine a plaintiff accusing rape and her personal sex life. I’m not here to condone whether that is right or not, but to assure you that it will happen.
The plaintiff will have every opportunity to explain her involvement in The Cleat Chasers and confront other young athletes in court that she’s been intimate with – both black and white. Nasty business, but she must know how the game is played. First comes the delays – set forth by one motion after another that assures that if this makes it to trial it will not be heard for more than a year out. Time changes everything. It’s the lawyer’s best friend.
We will all discuss this for a day or two and we will all move on because we will get nothing new to continue the discourse – just the snail pace of our legal system. The Plaintiff attempted to try this case in the movies and after a day of discussing The Hunting ground it has had no impact in the discussions regarding the draft. This announcement of a civil suit will go the same way after a day or two – without much affect.
For everybody that is commenting, do me a favor and please read the filings in the suit. The suit alleges damages in the amount of 15,000 dollars. This is traffic court lawsuit numbers for loss of work due to a pinched nerve in the neck. This could be settled in a New York second, but the lawyers are too smart to go that route because they will see a chance to put this to bed forever. The Compensatory damages are minuscule for a case of this notoriety which goes to motive. Contrary to most opinions, this isn’t about money. There is a revenge factor here and the possibility of significant punitive damages spurred on by a a low burden of proof in a civil case. Any first year law student would see this!
That is why you have good lawyers, Winston can go about the business of football and let them handle the day to day over the next year or two. He will never make an appearance unless and until this gets to trial which I seriously doubt. The Bucs have to have known about the possibility of this and isn’t intimidated in the least, any NFL team will have several lawsuits going on concurrently – cost of doing business. You have probably noticed that none of the major networks have not picked this up and it’s because they’re going to wait to see if anything becomes of it – if it gets legs. So go ahead offer your opinions now. You will be allowed to say some of the craziest stuff imaginable and in a few days, we will all be talking about why we have not signed a FA lineman yet.
What do you mean Mac, we have both Gilkey and Cousins on the roster still….veteran leadership, starting experience, etc etc….and I’m sure we’ll add someone else in the 5th (oops), make that 6th round….
Or a good lawyer would like to get Jdubb’s roommates under-oath. You know the 2 that shot the video and then deleted it. Then Jdubb’s lawyer submitted a statement for the 2 guys… LOL. Who wouldn’t want those 2 under oath.
Bet, Jdubb knows what happened and he will settle.
As far as Iam concerned. This latest information about Jameis Winston Is a nail in a box. I’m sorry Tampa Draft Mariota for the first pick and then surround players to protect this young qb and also get some def linemen also.Go Bucs
Ot trade out of pick no#1.Tell Clev ,NyJets,Wash,Phila you want Mariots give us your no.!’s,2’s and the 3rd pick. And Clev give us Both #1 and their no#2 and next year no#2..
CGmaster 27, where is my evidence? I’m saying statistically this crab leg stealing idiot is guilty. From recent article:
Statistically between 2%-8% of reported rapes are found to be false. Only 40% of rapes are even reported.
I don’t know if Jameis Winston is guilty, but the statistics say he almost certainly is. The threshold for the government to take your liberty is proof “beyond a reasonable doubt,” which legal scholars generally define as about 95% certainty. To take your property, the government (or a private citizen) need only show your guilt by a “preponderance of the evidence,” 50.1% certainty. If there is a 2-8% chance of the accusation against Winston being false, there’s a 92%-98% certainty that it’s true. Compare those odds to the burden of what must be proven to prevail in court if you will but, please don’t compare them to the actual results. Only three out of 100 rapists serve so much as one day in prison.
And that’s where it stands. There are very good odds that Winston is guilty, though we’ll never really know, given the endemic obstruction of justice in his investigation. There’s no chance he’ll go to jail now, but there was always less than a 10% chance that he would serve even a day in jail.
Well your comment just came across as rather harsh that’s why I ask. As for the burden of proof, it’s much easier for her to get money in a civil suit. I wouldn’t be surprised if the bucs draft him and just tell him to pay up and get her out of the picture.
You’re showing your lack of research on the crab leg incident. It was a known hookup spot for football players. Did Jameis look like he was trying to hide those crablegs? If he admitted he got them for free it would be an ncaa violation and no more playing, think a little before calling someone an idiot.
As for your stats, they mean nothing. Every case is judged on an individual basis not your stupid statistics. But I’m sure you haven’t even read any of the case files either. Just keep relying on your stats.
I’m kind of in the boat of a few others on here like MC and Cgmaster27 that think this doesn’t change anything. Well, not for the Bucs anyway. We just differ on where the Bucs were in the first place in regards to drafting Winston. It never made sense that the Glazers would make Winston the face of their franchise given their history with troubled players. The only thing this changes is now I’m not sure if Winston gets drafted in the 1st round at all.
Well if you doubt he raped anyone why bring it up. So perception is more important than facts? As for the baseball winstons has met be known multiple times he’s only playing football. But it’s ok for Russell Wilson to say he would like to play baseball and football? Doesn’t matter the position russel is a qb and playing baseball would take away from that. But it’s not Jameis so it’s ok.
As for ceiling, that’s all left to interpretation. Jameis has yet to play a full year of football in his whole life. As for demeanor, the attitude of a qb and am safety are drastically different. Qbs command te huddle safety’s don’t.
Unfortunately perception is reality if you are a public figure. Everyone thinks Barry Bonds did steroids even though he never tested positive for it. Do you think the average house-wife is going to know about the facts or are they just going to read that he has been accused of rape. Do you think other FA’s wives are going to know about the facts or are just going to say to their husbands “I don’t want you to playing with a rapist”? Whether he did it or not, he had himself in a position that allows for the possibility that he did. Bad decision making process to put yourself in the place to leave the door open that he did. How can you say that playing a position that causes so much wear and tear on an arm that there’s a specific surgery for pitchers (Tommy Johns) is the same as playing another baseball position. Sure if JW was a TE or something else, I wouldn’t care as much about it but the reality is that both positions that he has played require a lot of pressure on the arm/shoulder and could shorten a career. I’m not worried about him going to play baseball, I’m worried that he will have a short NFL career because of the damage pitching has done to his arm. As for demeanor, safety is a position that requires a much more intimidating attitude but it didn’t stop Palumalu. If you want to talk about QBs, Montanan and Eli both have quiet demeanors and what did it get them? How about six superbowl rings combined. All I’m saying is that they are very very close in on field evaluation so why take a chance on a player with so much risk? What are Marriota’s risks? He hasn’t played in an NFL system YET? All he’s done is be the most successful QB ever in the only system he’s been asked to play. Other than that, he’s a bit too quiet for some people. It didn’t seem like that was a problem for him a Oregon.
As usual macabee, your post is rational with no attempts to avoid those pesky facts that some so often seek to ignore. We all knew this civil suit was on the horizon. This is the attorney’s chance to get paid. She’s already been using the “victim” to get some much needed fame for herself. If you are right about that miniscule $15,000 claim for damages, surely someone would write that check just to end it. My take on this has always been that she willingly went to Winston’s room. Any 8th grader would have a clue what might be on the young man’s mind. Afterwards she probably realized she had some ‘splainin to do with her boyfriend. Couldn’t use that old favorite, “I was drunk” so she came up with the rape accusation and had to make at least an attempt to go through the motions. As I recall, she did nothing further until nearly a year later some reporter dug it up and confronted her with it. At that point her attorney came charging in and the whole thing snowballed on them. Now, after failing in every court setting, they are taking this last resort. I suspect the young woman, who certainly now regrets her actions, would rather just go back to normalcy, but those around her want to keep it going for their own gain. Sad. For the record I have two adult daughters.
So basically you haven’t read a thing about this… http://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-the-jameis-winston-rape-case-file/
Pretty objective piece but left out a few incriminating points imo.
Jameis should make a nice donation to campus PoPo and the TPD.
Quite frankly the investigation was disgustingly poor.
Scu. and Mac, I agree with everything you said except for the amount of damages. The 15 thousand is just a starting point to get the suit going, they’re looking for a much bigger pay day. Her civil suit against FSU won’t be heard until August of 2016!! That’s why you Debbies better get used to Winston being our QB.
You’re right surfer regarding the amount of damages. She seeks an unspecified amount in damages — but asserted in the suit that they exceed $15,000 which is a statutory requirement in Florida.
So Scudog, your justification is that if she went back to his room then she deserved to be raped. Do you guys know why most raped go unreported. Its because the victoms dont think they were raped. A woman can leave a club with a man, go back to his house with the intention of having sex with him, go to his room, get naked, and then change her mind and not want to have sex and still get raped. Rape is rape, no matter what the original intentions of the victom was. Most victoms think because they wanted the sex at some point in the night, even though they changed thei00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000r mind and didnt want it when it happened, its not rape. If the victom had unwilling sex with someone, no matter the circumstances leading up to the event, its rape. No one except child malesters deserve to be raped. The problem with rape is, its hard to prove it happened with no witnesses and the victom willingly putting themselves in the situation. Did JW rape her? We will never really know. He might not have. With his proven track record( thievery, BB gun fights, and Table in lunchroom incedent) and the fact that another victom has come forward, it doesn’t look good. Is this girl just looking for money at this point. It looks that way. I dont think it was hewr original intention when she filed the original report with the police dept. I believe she felt she hadx actually been raped. When they did nothing she let it go so she could continue her life as normal as possible. When a reported shoed up a year later and started asking questions, it ruined her life as a FSU student. Once it became publically known, she had to with draw from school because she was the girl trying to ruin her schools chances at a championship. Now she wants some kind of compenation for her everything she has gone through. I believe there are people pushing the issue behind the scenes. Does she deserve some money? We will never know because we will never know if the rape really occured. But to assume that all she wanted was money from the beginning is ridiculous.
Wnb0385: No, I certainly don’t think the girl’s entry into the room, in and of itself, made the sex consensual. I’m saying if a girl was willingly going back to a guys room her initial message is favorable to his intentions. As you said, none of us know if, at some point, she turned on the red light for the encounter to cease. I don’t think the girl is acting on her own in this. I think she’s being pushed and being used by a few others seeking to gain something. Chances are that she’ll get nothing.
One of the biggest doubts in her story was she gave the description as 5’11 250lb when Winston is 6’4 230lb. That goes from a shorter stockier man to a taller lankier man. I read the lab reports from the State Attorney investigation. It confirmed DNA from both Winston and her boyfriend from the ANAL portion of the Rape Kit screening. That makes me believe that she likes anal sex which leads me to it being consentual sex. What are the chances that she had anal sex with her boyfriend but Winston raped her in the ass? There are also photos of them dancing together and kissing in the club all over social media, but one of her stories was she didn’t know him. She claimed she was drunk and drugged but tox screens didn’t find anything. Also claimed bruising in the film, but no bruises found by nurses. Told her roommate that she was hit on the head which also wasn’t true. There are rumors that might explain why she accused him of rape, but I’m just restating proven facts. If he did do it, then unfortunately she has cast too much reasonable doubt due to her many changing versions!
The problem is buc up is that a large group of people, including some on here , just say he’s guilty without even looking at the facts of the case. Sad really. Everyone likes to say ” what if it was your daughter?” Well what if it was your son that was being falsely accused?
Again, two 19 year old kids do stupid things when sex hormones get in the way. Macabee, Surferdues, Scubog, Buc-up are all saying the same thing. My opinion, if this gets to the jury she’s toast and Winston will be after her for money for the damage she has done to his career.
Or the two roommates get under oath and a different version comes out… Or the video that they shot wasn’t really deleted…
I would love to know that the Bucs interviewed the 2 girls. And interviewed the two roommates. Not just reading their statement that Jdubb’s lawyer provided to the TPD…
Or we can just hand this guy a check for 15 mil and hope it works out fine. lol.
Another angle could be that her attorney knows she won’t win a cash award in this suit but might harm Winston (revenge motive) if his draft stock falls.
Hey scubog, if someone had practiced nonconsensual proctology on you you might want a little retribution.
Not saying he did it… Or you lol.
But, I am saying Jdubb isn’t remotely worth the risks when you add this to the other list (LONG) of reason he probably won’t be a good NFL QB.
Trade down. Winston is a Rah sized train-wreck waiting to happen (insert the sound of the Alstott whistles here).
You mean to tell me she’s gonna sue the potential 1st draft pick who’s poised to make millions…shocker. That being said, this won’t influence our pick as I’m sure even a blind person would’ve seen this coming
Mariota was and is our guy anyways. I just hope Nelson Agholor is still there in the 2nd round for us…USC
It Comes down to this. A simple little thing called “upbringing”. you either have a concious or you don’t. If you have no problem stealing casually, shouting out obscenities you show a major character flaw. Now I don’t mean to equate stealing with rape, but someone who has no respect for laws or others ….well I think there is a good chance this opportunist would take her cookie if he thought he could get away with it the same way he took those crab legs, liars always talk up a good game. That’s why all you like him right? His swagger, his confidence. Well I have 4 combat deployments in the middle of east and all the bigmouths would usually shit themselves when the bullets came flying. And guess who the heroes where? The quiet kids no one expected. Pick Mariotta!!!! End of story!!
Giving up 18 interceptions to college level DB’s, he should do a lot better this year against professional talent I am sure 😉
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