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    • williebrowntown
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      If you keep bringing up sack totals you don't get it.

      You want to give him a pass on the sacks, because he is good against the run?  How about a guy that can do both? That is the goal. And they do exist. That is the kind of guy you pay. Not a one trick pony.

      Is 5-6 mil per season "paying" a DE?  I consider locking up a potential starter there, at that price, well into an expanding cap future a bargain. Especially one I have seen exceptional qualities from. Having linemen of his frame, who play hard and with great physicality, are important in any defensive set. More so if we are going to get real aggressive, imo.  He's shown me over the past few seasons that he will put out good effort with his snaps, even as they have increased in number.  I consider him as safe an investment of those positional resources as we can make.*It's not just that he is a top flight edge setter against the run, which he is.  I'm sure we will scheme pressure now. Will is extremely important if we want to bring pressure off his shoulder. He can crash down in these hybrid type sets and physically engage a tackle and a guard. Or a tackle and a tight end. Not let one of his blockers disengage and pick up the guy we have designed the defense to bring free.  His abilities are ones we can build effective schemes against run and pass, even if he isn't the lineman racking up the sacks.

      All very valid points. Versatility is a great thing to have along the front especially when we're going to be going in and out of odd and even man fronts. So many fans look at stat lines and see he doesn't have a double digit sack season under his belt and think he's simply expendable, when he's not. Depth is invaluable in the NFL and just ask our rosters of the last decade how easy it is to find a serviceable DL at any spot... other thank McCoy it's been a revolving door. Hopefully Spence grows into everything we all hope but let's not forget Ayers is a 10 year vet. If he can continue to play well, it's one less position along that front we have to worry about replacing. I like the Calais Campbell comparison... I see it. I don't think Will is or ever will be AS dominant but playing well enough to draw comparisons is a pretty good spot to be in.

    • williebrowntown
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      I go to the Carolina game every year. The stadium is pretty cool. There's not a bad seat in the house. I've sat in the nose bleeds, end zone, 50 yardline... everywhere and it's all been exceptional. The fans are cool last year just my wife and I went and obviously we got our asses kicked but other than the expected trash talk there was nothing serious. Tailgating there is pretty cool. There's several spots for Bucs fans but before you go under the bridge on the left going in there's a spot that every year is mostly Panthers fans but you can hang out in there (it's just a parking lot), drink their beer (for free), eat some of their food, and talk football with some of the fans... you can tell which ones are the crazy ones... everyone with a Cam jersey... Then head in to the game. It's worth checking out.

      I've also been to every game since they join the same division and have never had a bad time. Swillyboy just curious do you live in Charlotte or just make the commute every year, jw cause maybe one Sunday we can meet up and watch some of the games together if your in Charlotte.

      I'm in Asheville man, I drive about 2 hours, give or take, every year to Bank of America when we play the Panthers. I usually go to a home game of the Panthers' if it's our off week as well. All my family and friends (most anyways) are Panthers fans so I deal with their crap constantly. I'm ready for a road win there in the worst way for obvious reasons... we can definitely meet up at the game this year though. Strength is in numbers in a division rivals house lol

    • williebrowntown
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      I go to the Carolina game every year. The stadium is pretty cool. There’s not a bad seat in the house. I’ve sat in the nose bleeds, end zone, 50 yardline… everywhere and it’s all been exceptional. The fans are cool last year just my wife and I went and obviously we got our asses kicked but other than the expected trash talk there was nothing serious. Tailgating there is pretty cool. There’s several spots for Bucs fans but before you go under the bridge on the left going in there’s a spot that every year is mostly Panthers fans but you can hang out in there (it’s just a parking lot), drink their beer (for free), eat some of their food, and talk football with some of the fans… you can tell which ones are the crazy ones… everyone with a Cam jersey… Then head in to the game. It’s worth checking out.

    • williebrowntown
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      Once again, this is national media not really having a clue when it comes to Bucs related anything. Not counting his injuries last year, he’s been in the transition to the #2 reciever since mid 2014. So his numbers are of course going to fall off some. He’s still a valuable commidity for the team. If he didn’t go down last year this offense would have continued to roll. You have to have a serious #2 to keep the heat off your #1 reciever, as we saw last year. When they can shut down your only receiving threat and load the box, your offense is hard to get going. He opens it up for everyone. Is he slowing down? Sure, he's a 33 year old reciever. Those legs are gonna be a little slower than they were 10 years ago but he's worth every penny of his salary when he's healthy. I think they'll replace him after the season but he doesn't need to go anywhere. There's no way on earth kenny bell or anyone else we currently have at WR is more of a threat. Put Bell out there as the #2 and see what coverage you get... they'll double Mike and load the box and make Kenny try to beat their single coverage, which to this point he hasn't shown anything to prove he can. I like VJ in the slot in certain situations. He's got that vet savvy route running ability in the secondary that he knows exactly where to be and how to get there. The TD vs the Saints in week 2 is a perfect example of it. (Plus a great throw from Winston)

    • williebrowntown
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      Has anyone else noticed what’s going on here? America’s QB has trolled for almost 3 pages, arguing with most people how much talent IS on the team… most troll attempts go the other way and would be on the offensive saying this is the worst team ever… new and inventive way to troll I guess.

    • williebrowntown
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      This team that the Bucs are about to put on the field is the single most talented team we have ever had in Tampa.

      no way

      2002 team didn't have the talent we have under center or the backfield.

      I would really check your Buc history. Are you saying Brad Johnson, Michael Pittman, Mike Alstott, Keyshawn Johnson, Keenan McCardell, and Joe Jurevicius didn't make a good offense? Come on dude!

      Pittman?? Are you out of your Goddamn mind??!! (Gruden)Joe J played above his abilities, Brad Johnson was a steady QB, but that offense underperformed until the playoffs really.

      As far as my avatar, I am too lazy to change it. So what.Pittman did have issues holding on to the ball; however, name a Buc RB that has better hands than him since he departed. I am just going by your original post stating the current squad it best ever assembled. Do you really believe this squad is better than 2002, 2001, 2000 Bucs? I am sure you learned in school "say no to drugs". They are not working for you dude.

      Pittman was better than most want to give him credit for. The first thing I think about when I hear his name is the playoff game in 06 when he got into it with Sean Taylor when Taylor spit in Pittman's face...

    • williebrowntown
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      If they play up to their potential, we are going to have pretty good diversity. Looking at our division we have Carolina and Kelvin Benjamin. Banks has the length and speed to stay with him. I also think Grimes can cover him, and HVIII can cover anyone on the underneath stuff but no way you match him up deep with Benjamin. Vernor can take him on a good day.New Orleans is all about Brandin Cooks now. Grimes should match up well with him and possibly VHIII can as well. Atlanta is all about Julio Jones. Grimes has to be the one to cover him. I am expecting Grimes to continue to be a top 10 CB this year and probably our best DB. He stands out for his sticky coverage and great awareness along with good ball skills. Overall I think we got better in the CB department swapping Sterling Moore for Brett Grimes and pretty much everyone else is coming back and a high 1st round pick in the mix as well.

      Carolina also has 6-5 Funchess, and it's not Cooks, but 6-6 Colman that will be the Buc killer. What should happen, is Julio and Benjamin get double teamed by Banks and a Saftey, and Grimes covers the #2.

      Exactly. Idk why that's not the gameplan more often.

    • williebrowntown
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      EDIT: I just wanna say GameTime, you and I have had differences of opinion but you're one of the few that doesn't resort to childish name calling and ridiculous antics, for that I commend you.

      You musta been the fat kid or the kid with a lisp in school...

      I like that the one to GT was only an hour after this!I do agree that GT is one of the quality forum members.

      Haha I didn't say I never did it. I was just giving props to GameTime.

    • williebrowntown
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      Yeah... you'd almost have to be on pay role to do that much film study lol look the bottom line is EVERYONE here WANTS ASJ to be great. We're all Bucs fans, we all want to see him put up monster numbers. There's valid points on either side of the fence. He's injured alot although he doesn't choose to be injured... he maked dumb mistakes and they cost the team, to an extent every player does... he drops passes, again they all do a time or 2 and so on and so forth. He can get better, as can every player but he needs to produce and produce now (I think everyone on the board has said wheather or not they think he will) We'll see what happens.

      See, this is a good take. And you did it without even a whiff of a suggestion that ASJ is faking injuries or only trying to score TDs when the game is safely out of reach. Nice job!Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go pound some Oreos and then head back to school with my lisp.

      Make sure to dunk those oroes in some milk first... they'll be softer and won't affect you with those tricky Ls and Ss as much  ;D

    • williebrowntown
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      . ASJ on the other hand has over HALF his career stats registered in garbage time. Meaning, he's not producing when the team needs him to. Your argument about throwing out the stats is kinda like the argument people make about putting an asterisk beside a QB int if its the recievers fault... either way it's still costing the team. I really don't see what's so difficult to grasp about this.

      this is tricky though.  Game plans, defenses, playcalls all come into this stat.  ASJ might have been open early and often at the beginning of games, yet the gameplan was to get Evans and vjax involved?  I don't think anyone wants to, or even could go back and find out the real answer.

      Yeah... you'd almost have to be on pay role to do that much film study lol look the bottom line is EVERYONE here WANTS ASJ to be great. We're all Bucs fans, we all want to see him put up monster numbers. There's valid points on either side of the fence. He's injured alot although he doesn't choose to be injured... he maked dumb mistakes and they cost the team, to an extent every player does... he drops passes, again they all do a time or 2 and so on and so forth. He can get better, as can every player but he needs to produce and produce now (I think everyone on the board has said wheather or not they think he will) We'll see what happens. EDIT: I just wanna say GameTime, you and I have had differences of opinion but you're one of the few that doesn't resort to childish name calling and ridiculous antics, for that I commend you.

      The truth is none of us knows how he will pan out. Its all just guesses at this point is his body of work is way limited thus far. Time will tell. Im hopeful. As to the bolded.. this was YOU about a half hour ago "You musta been the fat kid or the kid with a lisp in school."

      1st: I didn't claim to not be guilty of doing so. 2nd: It was a responce to his attempt at belittling by calling me "champ" and the smart aleck tone of his entire post. I shouldn't have stooped down to his level but I did. I can own up to my mistakes. As we've all said to some degree were all just speculating on ASJ. None of us can predict the future. This is a board based on discussion and differences of opinion... some use history to and attempt to draw a picture of the future and some of us think the future will pave it's own way. Some of us are pessimist and some are optimist. We're all Bucs fans so we're all hoping ASJ has a monster year. Let's not loose that in these 5 or 6 pages of discussion.

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