Louisville DT Sheldon Rankins – Photo by: Getty Images
Bucs general manager Jason Licht and director of college scouting Mike Biehl have been to the East-West Shrine Game, the Senior Bowl and the NFL Scouting Combine. Now it’s time to set Tampa Bay’s 2016 draft board with fresh intel gathered from pro day workouts in March and April. It would come as no surprise to see Licht and the Bucs focus heavily on defense in the 2016 NFL Draft after using all but one selection on offensive players over the last two years. There are needs to be addressed along the defensive line, especially at defensive end, and in the secondary.
Tampa Bay has the ninth overall selection – the fourth top 10 pick in the last five years – and Licht will likely use it on a defensive lineman or a top-flight cover cornerback. New Bucs head coach Dirk Koetter will also want to add some depth at offensive tackle and perhaps add a speedy, explosive player at wide receiver, too, although the need at receiver is not as pressing as once thought with Vincent Jackson expected to return to Tampa Bay for the final year of his contract.
PewterReport.com offers up the third Bucs’ round-by-round draft projection in 2016, focusing mostly on improving Tampa Bay’s defense. PewterReport.com’s 2016 Bucs 7-Round Mock Draft is sponsored by Holliday Karatinos Law Firm. Call attorney Jim Holliday for a free consultation at (813) 868-1887 or visit them on the web at HelpingInjuredPeople.com
ROUND 1 – Louisville DT Sheldon Rankins – 6-1, 299 – Junior
Why a defensive tackle with the ninth overall selection when defensive end is the more pressing need? This pick probably comes as a surprise to most Bucs fans, but drafting for need rarely leads to success in the NFL. Defensive tackle is the strongest position in this draft and the Bucs are poised to grab the best prospect. Great three-technique defensive tackles like Rankins, who compares favorably to Pro Bowler Geno Atkins, who was coached by new defensive line coach Jay Hayes in Cincinnati, are hard to find, and typically go in the first round.
The selection of Rankins comes after assuming that players like Florida State defensive back Jalen Ramsey, Oregon defensive lineman DeForest Bucker, Ohio State defensive end Joey Bosa and Notre Dame offensive tackle Ronnie Stanley are all off the board. Before we address the reason why the Bucs would draft Rankins, let’s explore why they wouldn’t draft Florida cornerback Vernon Hargreaves, Eastern Kentucky defensive end Noah Spence or Clemson defensive end Shaq Lawson.
Hargreaves is a very good cover corner, but at 5-foot-10 with 4.5 speed he lacks ideal size and ability to play outside in the NFL, especially in a division like the NFC South that features monster receivers in Atlanta’s Julio Jones and Carolina’s Kelvin Benjamin and Devon Funchess twice a year. The Bucs aren’t going to spend a top 10 pick on a 5-foot-10 cornerback that is better suited to play in the slot.
As for Spence and Lawson, both are good but not great defensive ends. Neither is a Khalil Mack- or Von Miller-caliber player, and if either of those players were in the draft Spence and Lawson would be late first-rounders. Spence has a checkered past due to drug usage and didn’t interview particularly well at the Combine. He may be too risky to use the ninth overall pick on. As for Lawson, he’s not a quick-twitch athlete. He’s a slightly more athletic version of Adrian Clayborn and benefitted greatly playing opposite defensive end Kevin Dodd last year. Both Spence and Lawson are first-round talents, but not top 10 talents.
Rankins is the top-rated 4-3, one-gap defensive tackle in the draft. While the Bucs already have a Pro Bowler in Gerald McCoy, drafting Rankins gives them another disruptive interior pass rusher and insurance at the three-technique in case he gets injured. New defensive coordinator Mike Smith had a pair of Pro Bowl defensive tackles in Marcus Stroud and John Henderson in Jacksonville, and St. Louis spent a first-round pick on defensive tackle Aaron Donald in 2014 just two years after drafting defensive tackle Michael Brockers in the first round in 2012. It’s not unheard of for a team to have two talented defensive tackles, and Rankins has the traits to be special.
While he’s not the athletic freak that Donald is, Rankins is nearly 15 pounds bigger and plays with more power. Rankins capped off his Louisville career with some dominant practices at the Senior Bowl where Rankins put on a clinic in one-on-one pass rush drills. Rankins performed well in Indianapolis, running a respectable 5.03 in the 40-yard dash at 299 pounds with a 1.74 10-yard split. The Cardinals star defender showed explosion at the Combine with a great 34.5-vertical leap, a 9-10 broad jump and a 7.44 three-cone drill. Rankins’ strength was also on display in Indianapolis where he benched 225 pounds 28 times, which was one of the highest totals among defensive linemen.
Yet it’s Rankins’ production at Louisville combined with his athleticism that makes him a special talent. Rankins had 133 tackles, 31.5 tackles for loss, 18 sacks, three forced fumbles, two interceptions and two fumble recoveries, including one he returned 46 yards for a touchdown against Boston College last year, in his Cardinals career. Rankins had 13.5 tackles for loss, eight sacks, two interceptions, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery as a junior, and finished his college career with 13 tackles for loss, six sacks and a fumble recovery for a score last year.
Rankins has experience playing in a 3-4 and a 4-3 scheme at Louisville and has played all over the line from a five-technique defensive end – where he was miscast – to a three-technique to a one-technique in a 4-3 and a zero-technique nose tackle in a 3-4. It’s that versatility, his incredibly quick hands and his suddenness that makes Rankins worthy of a top 10 pick. With Clinton McDonald coming off a season-ending pectoral injury, Akeem Spence entering a contract year and Henry Melton and Tony McDaniel likely departing via free agency, defensive tackle could very well be a considered a need in Tampa Bay. For more information on Rankins, read SR’s Fab 5 tomorrow on PewterReport.com. (Warning: the following highlight video contains profanity)
Previous Pick: Eastern Kentucky DE Noah Spence
ROUND 2 – Houston CB William Jackson III – 6-0, 189 – Senior
For the third straight mock draft, PewterReport.com is projecting Jackson to Tampa Bay, as the Bucs address a big need with the selection of the playmaking cornerback from Houston. Jackson is a big cornerback, who plays big in pass coverage, where he recorded eight interceptions and 40 pass breakups in his three years with the Cougars. As a senior, Jackson was instrumental in leading Houston to the All-American Conference championship and a Peach Bowl win over Florida State where he had a career-high 10 tackles, two interceptions and two passes defensed.
Jackson had two pick-sixes during his senior season, and also had three games in which he had three pass breakups or more. In the AAC Championship Game against Temple, Jackson set a new school record with seven pass breakups in a single game. Jackson also recorded a 96-yard touchdown on his first career interception, which came against Texas-San Antonio as a sophomore in 2013.
New Bucs defensive coordinator Mike Smith likes big, physical cornerbacks that can cover from a match-up perspective, and Jackson has gone against some of the better receivers in the country, including Rutgers’ Leonte Carroo, Louisville’s DaVante Parker, Vanderbilt’s Jordan Matthews, Tulsa’s Keyarris Garrett and UCF’s Breshard Perriman over the past two years, especially. Jackson was one of the fastest cornerbacks at the Combine, running a 4.37 in the 40-yard dash with a 1.52 10-yard split. Those times could vault him into the latter part of the first round.
Previous Pick: Houston CB William Jackson III
ROUND 3 – Boise State DE Kamalei Correa – 6-2 1/2, 243 – Junior
The Bucs find their edge rusher in Correa, a junior, who is a relentless quarterback hunter. Correa, who makes his second straight appearance in PewterReport.com’s mock draft, amassed 20 sacks, 31.5 tackles for loss and 110 tackles in three years at Boise State. The Honolulu, Hawaii native burst onto the scene as a full-time starter during his sophomore season in 2014, recording 59 tackles, 19 tackles for loss and a team-leading 12 sacks and two forced fumbles. Correa was more of a marked man last year as a junior, but he still came through with 39 tackles, 11 tackles for loss, seven sacks and a career-high three forced fumbles.
At nearly 6-foot-3, 243 pounds, Correa has good size, and the frame to put on more weight to hold up better against the run at the next level. Correa plays with reckless abandon and has the juice to be a very good edge rusher in the NFL. He has a suddenness that catches offensive linemen off guard and the timing to get them off balance. Correa has violent hands and does a good job of shedding blocks, and tackles ballcarriers and sacks quarterbacks with violent hits.
Correa seemed to play his best when it mattered most in Boise State’s bowl games, recording 10 tackles and two sacks two years ago in a 38-30 win over Arizona in the Fiesta Bowl, and four tackles and two sacks in a 55-7 win over Northern Illinois in the Poinsettia Bowl. Correa had a great Combine with a 4.69 time in the 40-yard dash with an impressive 1.63 10-yard split. That time could propel Correa into the late second round.
Previous Pick: Boise State DE Kamalei Correa
ROUND 4 – William & Mary DB DeAndre Houston-Carson – 6-1, 201 – Senior
Tampa Bay keeps revamping its secondary, adding a talented defensive back that can play both cornerback and safety. The Bucs can’t have enough quality defenders in the pass-happy NFC South and Houston-Carson dominated the FCS at William & Mary, recording 293 tackles and 10 interceptions as a 45-game starter.
Houston-Carson earned a Senior Bowl invitation where he showed he could play with FBS talent after notching a team-high 109 tackles and four interceptions in 2015 as a free safety after playing cornerback his first three years for the Tribe. Houston-Carson returned one interception 94 yards for a touchdown, and also scored on a 65-yard blocked field goal return for a touchdown and scored a defensive extra on a 70-yard blocked extra point return. With good size and physicality, the Bucs can use Houston-Carson at cornerback in certain match-ups, to cover tight ends in man coverage from the safety position in the box or as a single high free safety.
It will take some time for Houston-Carson to make the leap from the FCS level to the NFL on defense, but he can contribute immediately on special teams. Houston-Carson can use his 4.53 speed (1.56 10-yard split) to cover kicks and punts, which he did at William & Mary, in addition to blocking punts and field goals. Houston-Carson blocked nine kicks for the Tribe.
Previous Pick: South Carolina State DT Javon Hargraves
ROUND 5 – Stony Brook DE Victor Ochi – 6-1, 246 – Senior
The Buccaneers add another quick pass rusher in Ochi, who has an incredible get-off and great anticipation. Although he ran a disappointing 4.86 in the 40-yard dash, the Bucs only concern themselves with the 10-yard split for defensive linemen. Despite being 6-foot-1, Ochi has very long arms (33 3/4) and posted a 9-11 broad jump and an impressive 7.24 in the three-cone drill at the Combine.
Ochi is built similar to Jacquies Smith, who has been the Bucs’ second-leading sacker the past two years. Ochi dominated the competition at Stony Brook, recording 32.5 sacks, 51.5 tackles for loss, 182 tackles and four forced fumbles in his Sea Wolves career. Ochi tied William & Mary defensive back DeAndre Houston-Carson for the Colonial Athletic Association Defensive Player of the Year Award, finishing the 2015 season with 13 sacks, including five multi-sack games, 16.5 tackles for loss, 47 tackles and a forced fumble.
PewterReport.com first wrote about Ochi back in December and profiled him prior to the East-West Shrine Game where he had dominant practices and a sack in the all-star game. Bucs defensive coordinator Mike Smith could use Ochi as an outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme or as a weakside defensive end in a 4-3.
Previous Pick: Texas Tech OT Le’Raven Clark
ROUND 6 – Boston College FS Justin Simmons – 6-2, 202 – Senior
The Buccaneers continue to add more talent to their secondary with Simmons, a rangy defensive back that has experience at both safety and cornerback. Totaling 229 tackles, eight interceptions, four fumble recoveries, four forced fumbles and a sack, Simmons was the most productive defensive back during his time at Boston College.
Simmons saved his best season for last as he used his good instincts to record 67 tackles, a career-high five interceptions, three fumble recoveries and two forced fumbles for the Eagles. The highly competitive Simmons was also the vocal leader of the defense, which has great appeal to the Buccaneers. Only a modest 4.61 time in the 40-yard dash keeps Simmons, who has a 40-inch vertical, from being drafted higher, especially after a good showing at the East-West Shrine Game following his senior season.
In addition to playing good defense, Simmons also excels on special teams. He was a gunner on punts at Boston College and will have to serve the Buccaneers in that type of role initially as a rookie as he develops as a defender.
Previous Pick: West Virginia FS K.J. Dillon
ROUND 6 (from Washington) – N.C. State OL Joe Thuney – 6-4 1/2, 304 – Senior
Thuney was one of the highest-graded offensive linemen in 2015 by Pro Football Focus and has been the Wolfpack’s left tackle for two out of the last three years. Although he doesn’t overwhelm opponents with his size or power, Thuney has surprising strength with 28 reps of 225 pounds at the Combine. Thuney was one of the most athletic linemen in Indianapolis, running a blazing fast 4.95 in the 40-yard dash with an impressive 1.70 split.
Thuney has short arms at 32 1/4, and that may prompt NFL teams to move inside to guard where he does have experience. In fact, Thuney has experience at all five positions and his versatility is a plus for NFL teams like Tampa Bay. Thuney is incredibly bright and graduated from N.C. State after just three years with a degree in accounting and he is pursuing Master’s degree in international studies.
He’ll need some time to hit the weight room and add some bulk, but Thuney’s size and athleticism compares favorably to a poor man’s Logan Mankins and his NFL future may ultimately be at guard or center depending on his development. Thuney’s athleticism is just a small step below that of Indiana’s Jason Spriggs, who has an outside chance of being a late first-rounder. To see Thuney in action watch number 54, the left tackle, in the following video.
Previous Pick: Texas Tech WR Jakeem Grant
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I totally agree with the assessment that drafting for need instead of value is a mistake. But I don’t agree that there are no DE’s available at the 9th pick worth taking. We need to concentrate on the DL and the secondary. Throw in a offensive lineman somewhere in there and maybe another receiver and a Running back if we lose Martin.
Interesting. I guess this might mean that we try to sign a big named DE like Williams or Peppers in Free Agency? If not then it would mean all is well with our DE’s? I’m not comfortable going after small DE’s, but hey this is PR Mock Draft, not mine.
I’m leaning more to Hargreaves now. So, I’m guessing that Ronde Barber could not play corner for the Bucs. This is pretty skimpy logic. He is a smart, tough, well rounded player that has the drive to be the best. Yes, he’s cocky (and that’s almost prerequisite these days), but to me, he show those same intangibles that Jameis has. I think this kid will be a Pro Bowl corner and no one will want to throw to “Fantasy Island.” I hope to Boss, Boss Meathead, it’s plain to see, that this “short” guy is going to be a star. Tattoo probably won’t even be there at #9. Speaking of not drafting for need; Because we play a couple of tall receivers, we should draft Manute Bol at CB? Please. I also like that this kid has the character to compliment some of his biggest heated competitors, Amari Cooper & Laquan Treadwell (and Treadwell would be a gem in the 2nd).
Totally agree with passing on the Gator player at 9 . I have watched him a few times and he wasn’t the best corner in their defense in a game or two. He was clearly the best corner in a few games but I would pass.What a great year to be at nine , may get a few strong offers to move back several positions. I could see picking up a third to move two or three spots.
I agree. Hargreaves is elite. He has instincts that can’t be taught. He reminds me of a more physical and faster Barber. Play him normally the first 2 downs and switch him to slot for 3rd and long. He will be in the pro bowl year 2.
A mock is called a mock, well….because it’s a mock – not real. But change is real and it’s a sign of good mental health when you change your mind.
“I feel I change my mind all the time. And I sort of feel that’s your responsibility as a person, as a human being – to constantly be updating your positions on as many things as possible. And if you don’t contradict yourself on a regular basis, then you’re not thinking.”
― Malcolm Gladwell
Good advice! Proud to say that PR is my home website for a reason! Go Bucs!
Id be down with this. I agree that the available DEs just aren’t that great. Hell, I don’t even think Bosa would stack up with real DE talent that’s been around in the past. I hadn’t considered Rankins, but if he is BPA at 9, you take him. Id still lean towards VH3 personally, but I wouldn’t be mad at upgrading the DL with rankins if the Bucs have concerns with Vernons size. While talented, its hard to argue that he’s gonna be losing out on deep balls in this division.
Just say no to underwhelming DEs.
When I said I saw players that I didn’t even know about at the Combine, one of the players that caught my attention was OLB/DE Leonard Floyd/UGA. Floyd added his name to the group of combine standouts, recording a vertical jump of 39 1/2 inches, the second-best among linebackers, and a 10-foot, 7-inch broad jump, third-best among linebackers, and a 4.60 40-yard dash, fifth-best among the linebackers. Floyd measured in at 6-foot-5 and 5/8, 244 pounds, two inches taller and 12 pounds heavier than any of the linebackers that tested better than him in the 40-yard dash, broad jump or vertical jump.
That’s a frame that can easily take another 15/20lbs of muscle without losing any speed to be a rush RDE in a 4-3 scheme. This kid reminds me of OLB/DE Aldon Smith coming out of Mizzou in 2011. I would prefer to take Floyd in the 2nd round if he’s there. But I’m probably not the only one that noticed his athleticism, so he will probably be gone. If the Bucs consider trading down in the 1st for extra picks, IMO Floyd should be in the conversation.
You see, I believe the Bucs need an edge rusher in the vein of Simeon Rice and secondly, they have so many needs they need more draft picks. Trading down for Leonard Floyd gets you both!
Mac- I like Floyd but he doesn’t fit our scheme, he is more of a 3-4 stand up outside LB than a hand in the dirt DE, check out Ogbah combine numbers now those were even more impressive than Floyds
Gotta keep up to date with your reading, my friend. What is “our” scheme? Add 15/20lbs to his 6-6 frame, Floyd fits!
Macabee- Let me get you up to date, Floyd is a LB that rushes from a 3-4 alignment, Geaorgia uses 3 big personnel up from with two edge rushers off the edge hence why Floyd is listed at LB, he also played some inside LB too, He is very light in stature to be a down lineman in our defensive scheme its why we have William Gholdston playing left end at right end J Smith who is slight of build comes in during passing downs and is a liability vs the run, its exactly why we went and signed George Johnson who is bigger and can be more effective vs the run. So scheme wise fits our our scheme better. We want guys with more of a DE 290lb stature that plays with their hand in the dirt type of DE for the traditional 4-3 DE mode. You assume he can add 20 lbs what if he can’t and he is still at the 265 range? Than he will be a liability much like our own J Smith is vs the run, we already have Smith why go get his copy cat? Oh, and hanks for keeping me “up to date” as you so kindly put it, but I too know what I’m talking about
auto correct sucks on phones, hence the bad grammar errors
This the second time you’re wrong today. First, the Bucs will not be in a traditional 4-3 scheme. They will use a hybrid scheme. I linked to the article so you could read for yourself which proves my second point – you do not know what you’re talking about! Reading is fundamental. Levar Burton and I recommend Reading Rainbow and the RIF Program lol.
DT is a pressing need in a draft where DT can be addressed in later rounds?, This is so off the cuff of what we need I am speechless, I can’t even have an opinion
Personally would rather trade back and get Robinson or Billings, rack up 2 seconds and get Ogbah and Jackson 3.
Ogbah won’t be there in the second. Not happening at this point, after the combine he had. He’ll go somewhere in the first. Getting him in the second round is officially a pipe dream.
Spence might be there in the second though.
I absolutely LOVE the Justin Simmons pick. Yes, he is not the fastest S in the draft, but he is extremely quick and agile! Love his size at 6’2”also. Just check out his combine numbers: A 3.85 in the 20 yard shuttle, most S clocking in at 4.20!! A 10.84 in the 60yard shuttle, most other S in at mid or upper 11’s!! And a 6.58 in the 3cone, I believe the next best time was a 6.86! After that, J Ramsey(a CB), had a 6.94. Everyone else was in the 7’s. Most of these times anywhere from a quarter of a second to a full half second faster than anyone else. Just get him in, put him on ST while he learns the NFL game and coach him up!!
I am also not really thrilled with the Jackson pick. Even though he is a little slower, I like Canaday. He is also 6’1 and much stronger and quicker. I think he is also a much better tackler than Jackson. 10 reps on the bench really scares me even for a CB.
I’d like to have William Jackson III in the 2nd round if he’s still there. Again, none of these players really caught my attention during the season so I don’t know anything about them beyond what I’m reading everywhere. I got a lot of YouTubing to do over the next two months watching full games. I don’t have a problem with Rankins if he is the best player available. The only guy I would blow a gasket if we drafted at #9 overall would be Ronnie Stanley.
If Licht wants an OT that badly he should take J. Conklin, he’s better.
I really like Conklin from Michigan State too. He dominated all the top DE’s last year. A bit of a nasty attitude in the rush game would be great. I put up a bunch of links to his games vs top teams in a monday mailbag a few weeks back.
Draft Strategy: The Rams are QB needy and have 2 2nd round picks. Attempt to trade down in the first round and pick up another 2nd round pick. If the Bucs trade with the Rams, they would pick 15. Get a proven DE pass rusher in FA. Next year target DEs Myles Garrett/TexA&M and Devonte Fields/Louisville in the draft!
RD1 OLB/DE Leonard Floyd/UGA 6-6, 244, 4.60
RD2 CB William Jackson III/Houston 6-0, 201, 4.37
RD2 OT/OG Germain Ifedi/TxA&M 6-6, 324, 5.27
RD3 SS Miles Killebrew/So. Utah 6-2, 217, 4.65
RD4 RB C.J. Prosise/Notre Dame 6-0, 220, 4.48
RD5 DE Alex McCalister/UF 6-6, 240, 4.79
RD6 FS Justin Simmons/Boston College 6-3, 201, 4.56
RD6 WR Demarcus Robinson/UF 6-1, 203, 4.59
The NFL has changed people! The days of the big boat anchor DEs are over. By the time the power rush gets them there the ball is gone. Anybody who watched what is to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL, Von Miller, can see how productive speed can be. Notice that all the 15-20 sack guys are all OLB/DEs that have speed and power. The NFL learns quickly and so will the Bucs!
We can argue over Floyd till the cows come home its all for nothing as their is no way hell that Floyd will ever be a Buc, so I will not keep this frivolous convo about it going any furthur
Mac….I like your draft better. See no reason not to trade back in first if we find a partner. As for Floyd…..His size and speed are becoming the norm in the NFL now. Jongruden is always the negative in these posts and all of us know nothing and he knows all!
Wells mocks are fun, but definitely get more accurate (and so, more fun) after Free Agency. Free Agency will change a lot of team(s) needs and thus their draft picks making different players available than expected at present.
Not really sure on a bunch of these guys as I haven’t heard of many of them. I like the first pick , but only if we trade back. No need to take him at 9 when you could probably get him 5 picks later and get another pick, which we need.
I don’t see William J. the 3rd making it to the second round after the combine. As for the rest of the guys, never seen any ofthem play so I can’t say one way or the other.
On a side note, I did see the Panthers also released Charles Johnson. Maybe we could get him a little cheaper. We NEED to spend some in free agency. This whole idea we will fill all the things we need through the draft is absurd.
Charles Johnson is better than anything we have on the roster at DE why not sign him for a few million maybe he will be motivated to play against his former team twice a year
I don’t mind paying the guy myself. He is absolutely better than anything we have on our roster. Takes care of a need as well, and like you said, I’m sure he would love to sack Cam a few times.
I think you are correct on Johnson. You know he would be up for Carolina games.
Now all you bucs fans. This year it is deep in certain position. I like this 7 picks but If for example.I believe if Tampa would trade down with Rams at no#15. Then Shelton would be a good pick at #15 not #9.But Rams has to give up at least a no#2 and their #15 and at lest another pick in this draft and a future pick.
Really like the Rankins, Jackson, Houston-Carson and Simmons picks. Was hoping we drafted Donald in ’14, though Evans has been a solid pick. Getting Rankins makes up for that. Not sure if Houston-Carson makes it to the 4th the way he performed and interviewed at the combine. Still believe Glennon has a chance to be dealt prior to or at the draft, regardless of Licht’s posturing, which would only increase the teams flexibility to maneuver the draft board.
FLBoy84:I too preferred Aaron Donald, but have no problem with Mike Evans. I also think trading Mike Glennon is a possibility. There’s a reason we kept Ryan Griffin on the roster all year.
i have seen some say elliot is the best playeer in the draft and he might be no one knows who the best player in the draft will be, maybe sign williams and johnson, let martin walk and get the best player in the draft, the defense is going to be better just off coaching alone
I’m really beginning to like the idea of trading out of the 9th pick. Hargreaves is a really good talent but I’m not completely sold on him just yet (Eli Apple is just big school hype IMO and don’t really care for loud mouth Mackensie). I do like the idea of Rankins (if we trade down) but at 9, I’m just not too sure. But I truly believe there is no way William Jackson will be there in the 2nd round. If we want him, he’ll have to be chosen in the first. Although he didn’t come from a major conference, he may very well be the next best defensive back after Ramsey. Has the length, speed and ball hawking skills, gave Florida State fits in his past bowl game. Pretty much was a nuisance against whomever dared to throw at him all season.
5’11 (which is Hargreaves height) is too short to play in the nfl
Not to mention our own Ronde Barber at 5’10, people on this site and their misguided opinions, sigh
Hargreaves will not be confused with Darrelle Revis by opposing NFL offenses. He sure wasn’t in college. And Ronde Barber was a great SECOND round pick at CB for the Tampa 2 system. The game has changed since then. If the Bucs can get Hargreaves in the 2nd round like Ronde, I am all for it, otherwise I hope they pass on him like opposing offenses did/will!
Joe Haden 5’11 I can use about a dozen guys under 6′ but why bother there will always be a misguided person who thinks that corners have to be Sherman or Norman height now
Jon Joe Haden is terrible, bad comparison. Qb’s were 24-31 with 380 yards and 4 TD’s last year throwing at him in his limited action. That would’ve fit perfectly in Lovies scheme. And please guys , stop comparing Hargreaves to two future hall of famers.
Look at the great corners in our league and most if not all are over 6′.
Patrick Peterson, Norman, Sherman, Trufant, Talib, Chris Harris,Trumaine Johnson, and I could go on and on. Size matters, especially when you only run a 4.5 like Hargreaves.
Well I’m not gonna give you my opinion on the man I’ll just let you google what everyone says who the best corners in the league are and you will see where Hayden ranks which is usually top 5, I’m guessing as a Noles Fan you hate the Gators? just a haunch
Patrick Peterson two yrs ago got smoked by Julio Jones for 200 yds plus and two td’s, Chris Harris was smoked in the Playoff game vs Pitts everyone has a bad game, Revis was smoked against Desean Jackson in Tampa 3 yrs ago I can go on and on
My point you don’t need corners over 6′ to be successful, Do you know how tall Verett is for San Diego?
Im not bothered by Hargreaves size or the fact that he is a Gator. I am bothered by his inability to shut down opposing WR1 or WR2. As a top ten pick, he should be able to make an immediate impact. He was burned a lot this year. I think he has talent, just not worthy at #9.
Love the Rankins pick at 9. And don’t be surprised if Tampa uses its 4th round pick on a certain Florida State special teamer. Sad to see Patrick Murray and Connor Barth go, but a clutch performer from inside 50 is a must.
I’ve seen in many mocks (yes I know they’re just mocks) Rankins has gone no higher that 15. What if we traded down just a few picks, grab Rankins while stacking up a little ammo and then jump back into the bottom of the first for let’s say a William Jackson or Hargreaves if they’re there. Much more comfortable with that just to make sure we get who we want.
The thing is, I don’t see Aguyo lasting that long. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him gone in the third. The most accurate kicker in history would be a nice weapon to have though.
I wouldn’t be mad if Tampa went as high as a 3rd rounder for Aguayo. He is special and could be for 15 years. Gostkowski is the only guy that compares in my opinion. As many have suggested, if the Bucs can trade back and pick up a 3rd rounder along the way that would be ideal but even if they don’t I would still support the pick.
I like the Rankins pick at 9 also. Of course it would be great to trade down and still get him. I like the thinking here, Scott, as well as for the overall combination of picks. —
Another intriguing possibility for a DE in the 3rd round would be Charles Tapper of Oklahoma. What do you think? (Check out comments on February 29th and March 4th by Justis Mosqueda , Featured Columnist,at Bleacher Report)
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