“The Tampa Bay Buccaneers should be a relevant team and I am going to take that pressure, it will be what drives all of us, our staff, our players, and all.”
Tampa Bay head coach Lovie Smith said that in his introductory press conference at One Buccaneer Place on January 6.
Smith’s Buccaneers could not be more irrelevant after Sunday’s humiliating, 48-17 loss to Baltimore in which his team was down 28-0 in the first quarter after four Joe Flacco touchdown passes. It’s early October and many Bucs fans are already turning their attention to the 2015 NFL Draft and pondering which players will be available in the top 5, which is where this team will be drafting.
This is a very bad Tampa Bay football team.
I wouldn’t pick these Bucs to beat 0-5 Oakland or 0-6 Jacksonville. Would you?
“1-5 says we’re not a good football team, and we’re not a good football team – it’s kind of as simple as that,” Smith said after suffering a second embarrassing, blowout loss this season just three weeks after a 56-14 defeat in Atlanta.
How bad is this Bucs team? It is historically horrible.
Tampa Bay’s 38-0 halftime deficit was the largest in Bucs history, surpassing the 45-7 deficit to the Green Bay Packers in 1983 en route to losing 55-14. Just six games into his initial season, Smith’s Bucs narrowly dodged the dubious distinction of being the first Tampa Bay team in franchise history to have an opponent eclipse the 50-point mark twice in a season. The Falcons did it in Week 3 and the Ravens almost did it on Sunday.
Through six games, Smith’s Bucs have certainly played worse defensively than any of Raheem Morris’ teams or Greg Schiano’s teams.
The Tampa 2 defense has become irrelevant around the league – not just in Tampa Bay. The same Tampa 2 scheme that was run by Monte Kiffin last year in Dallas produced the third worst defense in total yards surrendered in NFL history and got Kiffin demoted this year.
Over the past four weeks, Smith’s Tampa 2 defensive scheme has surrendered a staggering 151 points, a ridiculous average of 37.75 points per game. Yet don’t expect Smith to veer away from the Tampa 2.
“Absolutely not, I’ll stop you right there,” Smith said. “Absolutely not. We’re not changing our scheme. I’ve been doing this scheme every year I’ve been in the league. I believe in it. We’re not coaching it and we’re not playing it as well as we need to. Zero chance we change our scheme.”
Smith is right. It is not being coached or executed as well as it needs to in order to produce the desired results. Yet with the proper talent and the precise execution any scheme should be able to work, right?
Only in theory.
I’m sure Mouse Davis still believes in the run-and-shoot, but notice how he’s unemployed and the offensive system he made famous isn’t deployed anymore in the NFL. The Tampa 2 scheme may be heading the way of run-and-shoot and the wishbone.
Over the past two decades teams have schemed up plenty of “Tampa 2 beaters” – plays that are designed to exploit the weaknesses in the zone defensive scheme that Tony Dungy and Kiffin made famous back in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
After the Glazers fumbled through the hirings of Morris and Schiano, they wanted to go after a legitimate NFL head coach. Immediately after firing Schiano following a 4-12 season and an 11-21 record in Tampa Bay, the Glazers quickly moved to lock Smith up as Schiano’s successor without interviewing any other candidate.
“This is an exciting day, as we begin a new chapter in our franchise history, one that will energize our fan base and provide the Tampa Bay community with the winning football it deserves,” Bucs co-chairman Bryan Glazer said upon introducing Smith as the team’s head coach. “When we began our coaching search for a new head coach, we focused on finding a strong leader with a proven and established track record. We searched for a man who would not only command respect among his players, but stand tall as a symbol for our team in this community. It was easy, not because we knew Lovie from his previous time here, but because he fit our criteria perfectly.”
From a public relations standpoint, bringing back Smith, who was on Dungy’s original staff from 1996-2000, was a huge statement that momentarily energized the fan base. The Glazers bought into the concept of bringing back the glory days of Buccaneers football for the fans with a coach who had firsthand knowledge on the history of the team and used a familiar defensive scheme that helped the Buccaneers become – and here’s the word – relevant.
But that was well over a decade ago in Tampa Bay.
Read Glazer’s speech again and see if those criteria fit Joe Gibbs, who had a second stint in Washington as the Redskins head coach from 2004-07. Washington owner Daniel Snyder could have made those exact same comments about Gibbs in 2004 when he was re-hired.
After winning three out of the four Super Bowls he led the Redskins to, Gibbs seemed like the right, nostalgic fit for Washington in 2004 and came out of retirement. But two double-digit losing seasons coupled with two wild card playoff seasons that ended up going nowhere weren’t enough for Gibbs to recapture his past magic with the Redskins and he retired for a second time after completing four of the five years in his contract.
Is Smith becoming irrelevant? Why didn’t he get hired in 2013 after being fired by Chicago following a 10-win season? Andy Reid certainly did last year, getting fired by Philadelphia on December 31, 2012 and quickly hired by Kansas City five days later.
Was Smith really a hot commodity this offseason? Would Smith have been hired by another team this year if Tampa Bay hadn’t pursued him so eagerly?
I’m not saying Smith was the wrong hire, but the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Did the Glazers do their due diligence and even ask real NFL insiders if the Tampa 2 defense was still a relevant, viable defensive scheme in the league?
Following Sunday’s debacle against Baltimore, fans and even some in the media have wondered aloud why Schiano was fired because the Bucs have clearly regressed.
Hey Glazers, it’s not too late to fire Tampa 2 disciple Leslie Frazier and insert Schiano as the team’s defensive coordinator. You’re already paying Schiano $3 million per season to do nothing. Might as well bring back a defense that actually creates takeaways (21 interceptions and 15 forced fumbles) and gets to the quarterback, which is something the Bucs haven’t done the past two weeks.
Despite some of it’s faults, Schiano’s defense had 35 sacks last season, which was the most since 2005 when Tampa Bay’s number one-ranked defense had posted the same number – back when the Bucs were relevant. The last time this team had more than 35 sacks in a season was in 2002 when Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl.
The 2014 Bucs defense is on pace for a paltry 24 sacks, 16 forced fumbles and only 10 picks. And this defense is on pace to surrender 506 points in 2014, which would make it the sixth-worst NFL defense of all-time.
Smith’s Bucs defense has truly regressed despite turning over the roster and adding a slew of new faces through free agency. Sometimes free agents don’t pan out. Sometimes an overhaul of the offensive line backfires as Smith and general manager Jason Licht are finding out.
Just ask former Bucs general manager Bruce Allen a year after signing the likes of Todd Steussie, Derrick Deese, Matt Stinchcomb and Matt O’Dwyer in 2004.
On Sunday as Mike Glennon was getting sacked five times and hit 15 other times, the signings of left tackle Anthony Collins and center Evan Dietrich-Smith looked like the wrong additions. They, along with holdovers, right guard Patrick Omameh and right tackle Demar Dotson, resembled a sieve against Baltimore.
Smith’s hand-picked free agent defensive end Michael Johnson and defensive tackle Clinton McDonald didn’t touch Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco, and free agent cornerback Alterraun Verner was a step behind Steve Smith on a 56-yard touchdown bomb.
The Glazers said they wanted a man with strong leadership when they hired Smith. The players said they all bought into Smith and his scheme early in the offseason. But did they really?
If you and I are questioning the validity of the scheme based on the horrific results, you know the Bucs players have to be doing the same thing.
Does a Tampa Bay team that has been outscored 72-17 in the first quarter and 51-10 in the second quarter – outscored 123-27 at halftime – look like it’s ready to play? Does it look like Smith has done a credible job of preparing a team full of seasoned, well-paid veterans to play?
Morris’ “youngry” rookie-filled roster looked more competent and ready to play in 2010 when they somehow managed to win 10 games and post the last winning season in Tampa Bay. This Buccaneers team doesn’t look competent.
“At Raymond James Stadium, it was hard for opponents to come in and win,” Smith said in his introductory press conference back in January. “We have gotten away from that a little bit, and it is time, as we go to the future, for us to become a relevant team again.”
Instead of looking to the future and charting a more modern course, the Glazers wanted to recapture past glory by hiring Smith. By doing so, the Bucs would be once again employing a Tampa 2 scheme that prompted the firing of Jon Gruden after the 2008 season when the defense collapsed after a 9-3 start. Kiffin’s defense allowed an average of 29 points per game in four straight losses that caused the Bucs to miss the playoffs and signaled the end of the Gruden era.
The Glazers wanted the Bucs to be relevant again, but it has backfired out of the gate with a 1-5 beginning that could easily have been a 0-6 start if Pittsburgh hadn’t given the game away late in the fourth quarter three weeks ago.
Remember Louis Murphy’s 41-yard catch-and-run against the Steelers with just seconds left to help set up Glennon’s 5-yard game winning touchdown pass? Ironically, it was a “Tampa 2 beater” that worked against the Steelers, who played Cover 2 as their prevent defense on that play.
After Sunday’s crushing, 48-17 defeat at the hands of the Ravens, Smith’s brand of Buccaneers football is just as bad if not worse than that played by the Yuccaneers back in the 1980s and early ‘90s.
You remember. Back when the Buccaneers were irrelevant.
Scott Reynolds is in his 23rd year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds enjoys giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]
It’s so bad, I can’t put a finger on any one particular area to start addressing. We’re not competing and it’s not even close.
Bring the heart, Scott Reynolds!!! How people keep their jobs through this mess is a mystery to me.
if you’ve watched any of Lovie’s press conferences than you know you MUST be a football coach to criticize his scheme. Sports reporters can’t do it. Fans certainly can’t do it. I love football. I remember my father sharing his passion for the game with me as early as 4 years old; I’m 40 now. I have the NFL ticket, and I watch a minimum of 5 pro games a week. Minimum. If you add collage games into the equation, you’d think I need to get outside more often. I have watched football evolve over the years. I don’t always agree or like the changes, but I love the game & I understand the confines of the arena teams must win within. I’m no expert, but I am a student. Schiano said, “We are going to run the ball & play D…it still works in this league.” I thought that sounded wrong, but I watched. It didn’t work against winning teams. Lovie said, “We’re going to run a 20 year old Defensive scheme…it still works in this league.” I grimaced. I disagreed. Teams are picking the Bucs soft zone apart. Everybody points to Seattle’s SB win as a defensive argument. Nobody seems to remember they played with a lead the entire game; there were 30 points on the board. They played a lot of man coverage. I want us to develop an offense. We drafted that way, & I had hope, but the “Dunkaneers” are basically glorified down-field blockers at this point. We still need talent. Dion said we had a grocery list of needs & I would agree. But how do you look forward to the draft, when the Bucs continue to squander the talent they have? Great DT. Great LB. RB with proven ability. WO & TE with high grades. Lovie’s mind is set. He’s not changing. I still remember him putting his Safties 25 yards deep against Manning in their SB and just getting dissected. I can’t stand to watch this team play. I’m thrilled they have a bye next week, just so I won’t be so mind-numbingly frustrated during my favorite time of year. I look forward to this? Mayock said on TNF that teams can no longer play soft zone in this league. You must let your front 7 hunt, and your back 4 must play a man scheme. WO’s are too talented and have ALL the rules in their favor. I couldn’t agree more. But, he’s an annalist and I’m a fan. Between the two of us, according to Lovie, we don’t know Jack or his brother.
And to Scott: I was *just* wondering where to look for Buccaneers related “think piece” articles like this one. They’re hard to find in the larger media because, well, who cares but us sufferers?
I appreciate all the Fab 5, game recap, and other, shorter articles, but I really appreciate reading something like this. Keep it up!
Even suggesting that Lovie needs to change anything is ridiculous, this scheme worked to the tune of a 10 win team 2 years ago in Chicago. Lovie doesnt have his players in place to make this scheme work. Lets keep in mind Clayborn was out for the year pretty much before it started. We lost Jenkins who Lovie had listed as a starter. Foster has been out/injured most of the year. Goldston has been out, although that may be a good thing, and we havent had our offensive coordinator all season with a brand new offense. Theres a point where we have to be realistic and say this whole team hasnt played enough snaps in this scheme together to know if it works or not. Its hard to know when every level of the defense has been missing key contributors for large chunks of the year. The losses are embarrasing but its unfair to blame Lovie considering all that has been going on with this team.
These may be valid points if there was ANY sign of improvement. There simply is not. I consider myself patient, and am willing to give Lovie the rest of the season to show the system can work. But, what bothers me the most is his refusal to adapt. A good coach would be willing to evaluate ALL aspects of the organization — including his scheme — in order to get better. I don’t blame Lovie for the offense sucking so bad, except he’s willing to let Arroyo keep calling plays when everyone on the planet knows he’s going to run up the gut for a loss of two on every first down. Run a draw or RB screen on second for a gain of one, and then pass on third.
So, suggesting Lovie should change what is clearly not working is not “ridiculous,” it’s obvious.
To suggest that Lovie doesn’t have his players in place to make his scheme work only strengthens the opinion that he’s inflexible. Forcing a square peg into a round hole doesn’t make sense. If he is certain he doesn’t have the players, then adjust his system to fit the players until he DOES have the right pieces. That’s why he’s paid millions of dollars. If we wanted someone to just force the Tampa 2 on these players, we could build a robot and show videos of Monte Kiffen. Good coaches adapt, out-of-work ones do not.
Stubborn to a fault. Old washed up and refuses to change. Go become a curator in a museum, Lovie. Relics don’t belong in the NFL.
The present has to be the past and we have to start thinking about the future now. This team is in need of a totally rebuild. There is no player who can’t be traded. I repeat no player. We should go back to basics and start with DE and OL positions. Time to forget free Agency unless it is for the cheap. We have blown tens of millions on cap room and we need to take our loses and go forward. trade for more draft picks and make a pledge to not ever Trading for any player for the next 5 years shouldn’t be a thought. We are in the John McCay era. McCoy, David, Martin, Dotson, Rainey, Myers, Dunkaneers are all on the market for trade. Why them? Because they are players that can be traded for draft picks. In years draft we should trade down and often. This team has so many holes to fill we might as well go into a huge youth movement. There is no need to change coaches, scheme’s, nothing. We just don’t have hardly any talented players; we have a lot of 2nd and 3rd string players. Time to rebuild now. Pull what you can off other teams practice squads and see if we can find a few that can stick for next year. We goofed when we didn’t draft a DE, OL, OL, in the first three rounds. Go Bucs?
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After that embarrassing loss yesterday, I took a stroll through the Buccaneer roster and believe these players and cap numbers will not return next year. You can tell I have already moved on!
DaQuan Bowers 1,226,000 not met expectations
Jonathan Casillas 1,400,000 out played by Lansanah
Adrian Clayborn 2,612,000 not met expectations
Oniel Cousins 635,000 not an NFL caliber lineman
Dashon Goldson 9,000,000 salary exceeds performance
Mike James 520,000 not enough production
Mike Jenkins 1,875,000 injury prone
Mike Kafka 570,000 not an NFL QB
Michael Koenen 3,250,000 short punts, long salary
Luke Stocker 775,000 too much tub, no plays
Total Cap Savings 21,863,000
Current Salary Cap 8,250,000
Proj. 2015 Cap Incr. 10,000,000
Proj. 2015 Cap Space 40,113,000
-Vincent Jackson could be added to this list if he fails to get 1,000 yards. He will be 32 in January and has a 12.2mil cap for 2015. At minimum, he will be asked to restructure to remain with the Bucs – too many drops.
-Doug Martin may also find himself on this list. If he does not improve his rushing stats he could be traded. Stevan Ridley/Pats has a torn ACL, if they have a mind to do it now would be a good time.
-There are others on this team, picked up in the off-season that do not belong on this team. Too many Crezdon Butlers, Jacquies Smiths, Brandon Dixons to name.
-Cap increase due to CBS and DirectTV contracts.
-Bucs should pursue a defensive game changer in FA. DT Ndamukong Suh next to Gerald McCoy accomplishes that. We’ll have the dollars!
-Bucs should secure O-line in FA to improve the run game. OG Mike Iupati is a proven pro bowl run blocker.
-Draft DE Randy Gregory/Nebraska in the 1st round. We need a speed rusher off the edge.
-Draft MLB, FS, CB to close gaps in the secondary.
-This thing is broken – needs to be fixed in a big way!
Scott, as another poster commented, keep bringing the heat! We have had ENOUGH! It’s broken and this man is not FIXING IT! Fans are fed up. When you start to lose season ticket holders how the HELL are you going to draw the casual, the bandwagon, fan?
Scott, you’re right about the Tampa2, Gruden made that point on MNF. He said the scheme no longer works. I’d bet anything if Gruden came back to coaching he wouldn’t employ a T2 defensive coordinator. Right now the only way out of this mess would be more about new ownership. Since M.G. for heath reasons gave control of the team to his clueless sons we’ve been a punch line.
They are only relevant in that the Bucs are a laughing stock. I have put away my Buc gear. I am embarrassed to wear it. It’s too bad I can’t get a refund from NFL Ticket. The Glazer should apologize and refund everybody’s money. (I know that won’t happen).
Yes the Bucs are irrelevant. It is hard to believe, but they really are worse than last year’s SchianOfer8 team. At least the Vikings are the next opponent. The Bucs actually have a CHANCE to win that game (I think?).
Agree, time for a total rebuild. Need to start with a QB. To win in the NFL you need a Franchise QB, something the Buc’s have never had. As I left the game yesterday (at half time) I thought to myself that this franchise will never be relevant until it gets a FRANCHISE QB so we need to start there or at at a minimum get one that is mobile.
I have been one of those fans that is a faithful season ticket holder and is critical of the fans that stay away and make room for visiting fans to make our lives miserable at the RayJay. However, Sunday I was so embarrassed that I left shortly after the start of the second quarter. It was clear that the team was clueless. After competitive football the last couple of weeks, this team had no answer for the blackbirds on offense, defense or special teams (What is wrong with Koenen?) Maybe the NFL has passed the Tampa 2 by, but I think the bigger problem is a lack of talent. If the 2001 players were on the field I don’t have any doubt they would have shut down the Ravens. This is just a bad undisciplined team. That much is on Lovie and his coaches. Let’s pray that the by-week gives them team to coach-up the players. Winston anyone?
Those of us who have been around for a long time know this…there has NEVER been a worse performance by our Buccaneers on the football field as we saw yesterday. EVER!
Now ask yourself why that is? Ask yourself who is responsible? If ONLY the Glazers would ask themselves these simple questions. In the meantime we have NO hope and ZERO enthusiasm for our team. That hurts and it really sucks.
Thanks for not pulling punches Scott. This team is terrible. Nothing more, nothing less. Thankfully Jim Harbaugh and Rex Ryan will be available after the season. Hopefully Tampa doesn’t mind paying the salaries of 3 coaches simultaneously.
In all my years of going to Bucs games, I have never left a game early. I was so fed up with this team Sunday, that I left in the second quarter.(Along with many other season ticket holders). This team showed NO HEART at all. Lovie made it a point to bring in all these new players that were suppose to be able to run his scheme and not one of these guys has done jack sh*t. Schiano was crucified by this fan base(including myself) for some of his antics, and Lovie should get the same heat. He is stubborn and is showing to be a piss poor evaluator to this point. D. Joseph, J. Zuttah, D. Revis are all having better seasons than what the guys he brought in are having. Our o-line is the worst in the NFL, and is going to get Glennon killed. For what Glennon has had to work with these last 2years, he has done one hell of a job. How can we evaluate him, when he is getting killed and has limited weapons to throw to.
The Bucs will never be relevant again until there is a fundamental change in philosophy of building the team. Raheem Morris was on the right track in building a team through the draft but wasn’t the right person to lead a young team.
Look at all the playoff contenders year after year; Patriots, Packers, Seahawks, Colts, etc. You don’t see those teams spending millions of dollars each offseason to bring in players. They spend their money on their own homegrown, developed talent and plug the leftover holes with a couple of free agents.
The Bucs have been HORRIBLE in the draft over the last 10 years. That is why we suck, the inability to draft well and then we try to cover it up with high priced Free Agents who never produce.
Until we get an offensive minded coach and a GM who knows how to draft talent, we will continue to be irrelevant…
I agree with many of the above comments. It was a terrible loss. They have all (with the exception of Steelers) been disappointing. However call me an optimist,but I still believe we have a good coach, several good players, and 10 more games to play. Yes, in the offseason there are several moves to be made, but we still have to finish 2014. We have a bye week, we have had some early injuries, and a QB change. I am not ready to throw in the towel just yet. It could have been worse, we could have won the 1st 6 games and lost the last 10. I believe we had so much change during the 2014 offseason that we have not developed any team chemistry. We are not the Chiefs. I just can’t wrap my arms around the concept that this is a bad team. Yet….. give them and Lovie the rest of the season.
I said this before the Schiano hire and again before the Smith hire. All of the good defenses in the NFL run a 3-4. Why are we trying to bring back an outdated defense. Sure the glory years of the Tampa 2 were great but was that because we had three HOFers and a few others that have a legitimate claim to be HOFers also? The worst part is now that Smith has so much power, he’s going to keep drafting player and signing free agent that fit this terrible scheme.
@KINDERRT: “as I left the game at halftime…” LOL. You are a true Bucs fan sir. Seriously, I can’t believe you made it to halftime. @stlbucsfan: no disrespect to your opinion, just a dialog: OK, Lovie’s Tampa2 in Chicago. Look at their track record against GB 2wice a year with that soft zone coverage. Good QB’s are a staple of the playoffs. Also, I don’t want 10 wins. Rah taught me that. I want to be competitive in the playoffs. That’s where I’m at after 12 years of bad football.
It is time for some soul searching. Lovie Smith needs to come to grips with the realities of the new age NFL. The days of the Tampa 2 with the enforcer safeties and opportunistic CBs are over. The rules simply don’t allow it and opposing WRs are free to roam the secondary without fear. I’m sure all of you saw the undeserved penalty on Mark Barron for defenseless receiver yesterday.
Jerry Jones of Dallas understands this and has put all of his drafting emphasis on the offensive line and skill position players. He has brought in specialized coaches, even relegating his head coach to specific duties, ie, not play calling. He and the other owners have sold out old school football for TV contracts and video game offense.
We have a coach and assistants from an era gone by that is never going to return. Lovie once said “I can win 3 or 4 games with defense”. That may not be true today. Chip Kelly understands this too and is winning is Philly with video game football. Others are trying to change, but some are mired in the past. I honestly think that was the plan day one at the Bucs, but the untimely loss of Jeff Tedford has the Bucs wandering around in the wilderness and Lovie doesn’t have the answers. It is not just Lovie Smith, all of the old school defensive minded stalwarts like Coughlin, Zimmer, Tomlinson, Bradley, Fisher, and even Belichick are having problems.
It is now change or die! Offense Rules! If you haven’t noticed, dinosaurs are extinct!
Good read Scott. Extremely frustrating season and I don’t see much change on the horizon with Lovie Smith. His defensive scheme is outdated. His inability to adjust is numbing.
Wow, the article and the comments are all over the place. It’s just too much to address with one comment. There’s references to the defensive scheme not working when the Cowboys are better in it with worse players. There’s references to past Bucs coaches and players who would have helped when we haven’t made the playoffs since 2007 and won a playoff game since we won the Super Bowl. Guys and gals, maybe it’s us. Maybe the constant demands by the fans and the media that the team do things our way or we won’t buy tickets is the problem (along with a lot of bad luck). From reading the article and the comments (which mirror some of my own thoughts) I don’t think any of us know what the problem really is, we’re just taking our shots at the symptoms. The only thing I think we can all agree on is that until we can consistently draft and develop talent at all positions we will never win another Super Bowl. You’re up Mr. Licht, God speed. Go Bucs?
Great post, pinkstob. I think we do share some of the blame as fickle fans. Though, they aren’t exactly giving us much of a product. We have had no coaching consistency, and I hope Lovie can be the guy. My concern is that he seems unwilling (or unable) to adapt. I hope I’m wrong.
To be clear, I am not speaking against the defensive scheme as the problem, but the unyielding reliance on it in its purest form or on any defensive scheme to win championships as they did long ago may be a problem.
I’ve written posts defending versions of the base Cover2 and the success it is having in the NFL. I saw the Cowboys win over the Seahawks and they played man for most of the game. Good coaches adjust and I believe Lovie is a good coach too!
I stand by my position that the NFL favors the offense and the recent rules bear me out. Everybody is going to have to adjust and I believe as I said that appeared to be the goal of the Bucs before Tedford was lost. I’m not panicked. This is just going to take time and the improvements will come. And I believe Lovie Smith will make them.
News Flash: Ring of Honor members petition the Bucs to remove their names….
one problem is as a base defense the tampa 2 needs special players to run it… It should be used purely as a change up now. what Dallas does is not use it for a base defense it there’s a note for tampa
It all starts with the lines, offensive and defensive. That’s why I and other posters were pushing so hard for drafting OL early and often in this past yr’s draft. Well we didn’t, and our free agency haul was a bust, so we’ve squandered a year of the rebuild. So I say again, draft for the line early and often. Maybe two years’ worth to fix both OL and DL. THEN AND ONLY THEN worry about skill players. Lovie should know better. Maybe if we had a proven GM (which has been a problem nearly forever). Sigh…
‘After the Glazers fumbled through the hirings of Morris and Schiano, they wanted to go after a legitimate NFL head coach’…Then why was Lovie even up for consideration? Hes a coordinator,always has been…
This team gets exactly what it deserves~the Glazer family focus is with ManU,not the sinking space pirates…
I did yard work instead of watching that crap people are calling a game~no longer waste the time watching a go nowhere franchise…
I would scrap the whole roster and start a new~trade away anything of value,get REAL GM/COACH and let them start from scratch..And get rid of those HORRIBLE new uniforms~they look like a kid designed them for his online team~if this is the best Nike has to offer~i’d go back to reebok…
I Have no faith in Lovie or tampa2. Stubborn. Won’t change or adapt. Look at Dallas. Laughing stock last year with old school Monte and tampa 2, and this year playing great and just beat Seattle in Seattle with less talent on roster and no Ware. Marinelli is coaching them well and using players to their strengths. Lovie is not coaching this defense well or using players to their strength at all. It’s that simple. I have no problem firing him and blowing this team up. I’ll even go one further and don’t care if anyone agrees. If the 50 point blowouts continue I would do it this year. Bucs have wasted so much time and money its a shame.
I disagree that the roster needs to be blown up completely. IMO, this is sll on Lovie and Frazier. Those who say there is little or no talent on defense are ignoring this was a top 10 defense last year (8th) and they added some talent too it but have been coached to a 25th ranked defense.
Very heartfelt article and passionate comments that followed. This was one game that I actually considered leaving early since I wasn’t feeling well from a lingering cold. But tradition (never missed a game or a play in 39 years)won out and I stayed until the final tick.
Many seem to focus their blame squarely on the shoulders of Lovie Smith and what they perceive is an antiquated scheme. But let’s be honest. Most of us, including Scubog, have no idea what defensive scheme being employed on a specific play. Lovie has stated many times that the defense uses a variety of match-ups. And it’s certain that any scheme must be learned and executed. As Sapp and Brooks said, “others try to copy it, but none can duplicate their proficiency.” I remember when John McKay brought that “college 3-4 defense” into the league and was ridiculed until that 1978 team reached # 3 and the 79 team hit # 1. To me the 3-4 defense is the most plausible because that’s what the college teams use and that’s where the talent is developed. But, like I said, it’s not the scheme….it;s the lack of players or the lack of proficiency to execute it. Michael Johnson is no Simeon Rice, he may not even be Gaines Adams. It’s up to Jason Licht to fix the mess he made. Right now he’s hiding in the dark.
Right on! Also there is NO BLAME on me or most fans. WE PAY THEM!! Its a complex situation all around and we have every right to be upset and if we are having so much influence on who they hire then shame on them on many levels. This is a business and needs to be run like one. Run it like a business and things will come together, that is the NFL today!
Buc joe I agree, needs a shake up and new coaches not total blow up. I firmly believe too there is enough talent to be good on defense. Again look at Dallas last year under Kiffin. They are playing great defense now and the only difference is coaching! They lost their best pass rusher in Ware and all high draft picks were offense except Lawrence who has been hurt and hadn’t contributed. They didn’t blow the team up. I had serious doubts with that personnel they could be anything but horrible and last place again. I’m not a Dallas fan but I follow every team and what’s going on especially when they took Monte as D coordinator. Was curious if he and his system could still work over a decade later. That question was answered loud and clear. To those that say Monte just didn’t have the right personel, he had same players Marinelli has and lost his best player in Ware.
Your argument lacks any validity. The Tampa two under Lovie smith was ranked #5 just 2 seasons ago, when he had the right players. Carolina ran it last year. Gus bradly taught it to Seattle.
Dallas sent monte kidding upstairs and let rod Marinelli coach it. Do you know how many degrees of separation there is between Marinelli and Kiffin? Of course you do. You were there.
Dallas got rid of an all world linebacker, who was bad for the system, and IMPROVED! That tells us the SYSTEM works, with right players.
I value your opinion Scptt, no one knows the Bucs locker room better than you, but this is after all an opinion, and I’m more inclined to believe Derrick Brooks, who played it, than you.
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