Welcome to another edition of SR’s Fab 5 Reaction, a new Tuesday feature on PewterReport.com that follows the most recent SR’s Fab 5 column from the previous Friday. This is my opportunity to comment or offer my thoughts on our readers comments from the SR’s Fab 5 column. There might be a point in my SR’s Fab 5 that I want or need to clarify or emphasize, or a question is prompted from a reader that should be answered.
That’s where SR’s Fab 5 Reaction comes in. The comments listed below have been edited only for clarity and grammar – not content. If someone has an issue with something I write, there won’t be any censorship here and I’ll address it head on.
Because of the content and the volume of comments this week, I’ve doubled the number of comments I’ve responded to for this edition of SR’s Fab 5 Reaction. Here are some of my opening statements.
It’s amazing the power of words, especially the right words – and sometimes use of the wrong words. Last week’s SR’s Fab 5 was 7,025 words long, yet the last 64 words about Great Britain using the process of democracy and voting to leave the European Union elicited the most comments. It’s not surprising that given the fact that outside of the emotion of love, nothing elicits passion more than three things – religion, politics and sports.
Fortunately – or unfortunately – for you, you got all three in this week’s edition of SR’s Fab 5. In case you don’t know, finishing up SR’s Fab 5 usually consumes my Thursday afternoon and Thursday evening. I typically go to bed around 2:00 a.m. and add photos and make last-minute corrections early Friday morning. The Brexit vote happened to be going on while I was working on the column and I found it to be a fascinating distraction.
I am an American history buff, and I take great interest in the American Revolutionary War, of which England holds a significant place in our country’s history. I saw a historical moment unfolding last Thursday night in the U.K. wanting to become a sovereign state, as America is (for now), and wanted to offer some congratulations. So that’s the origin of the final, controversial 64 words of the SR’s Fab 5.
The content on PewterReport.com and our @PewterReport Twitter account is 99 percent Bucs football-oriented. However, I do take liberty – and l love that word – with the one percent and will occasionally chime in on other events happening around the world. I do this far less frequently than the legendary Peter King does in his Monday Morning QB for example.
As a hunter, a responsible gun owner and a card-carrying member of the NRA, I have an opposite view of guns that King has, and despite his frequent anti-gun stance in his columns, I read his opinion and respect his views, but they have no affect on me because of my own viewpoint. His politics aside, I am a faithful reader of his MMQB column and don’t hold his views against him.
I hope the Bucs fans that visit PewterReport.com will show me the same courtesy over the tiny, one percent of the world events that I will comment on once in a while. Now on to your comments.
The topics in this week’s SR’s Fab 5 include: Winston’s Humility, Personality And 3 Rules Of Life Come From His Dad; The Brotherhood: Jameis, Jonah and Vincent; Jameis Winton Football Camp Observations and Parents, Let Your Kids Play Football.
While I don’t believe sports sites are a place for religious dogma, all SR did was report about our star QB’s father mentioning that one of the three guiding principles of his son’s life was God. That’s reporting. So what?
Why would that make people go “nuts?” It was not a religious article, nor was it SR making an overt religious statement. He was just reporting on one of the three core beliefs of our star QB. – 76Buc
I think that is a fair statement, 76Buc. All I was doing was transcribing and relaying Antonor Winston’s own words when describing Jameis Winston’s belief in God and how that spiritual relationship has helped him in life. I’m simply reporting in this instance, not advocating Christianity or any particular religious belief.
Former Bucs head coach Tony Dungy – Photo by Getty Images
Some of these SR’s Fab 5 columns have been more overtly supportive of the Christian faith of a player than this one, particularly the one about Gerald McCoy and his that happened a while ago. If it really is just reporting on a player’s personal motivations etc., then I challenge PR to seek out prominent Bucs players who are overt atheists and want to talk about how that’s factored into their development as players, or a Muslim or Jewish player who wants to go on about how the teachings of his faith have led him to treat people a certain way.
I don’t know if there are any such players on our team. Maybe the opportunity isn’t even really there. That seems unlikely, but it’s possible. But even then, Scott’s personal beliefs do show through in the way he reports these things. Tone plays a big part in writing. At this point, it is very clear that Scott seeks out vocal Christian players on the team to be able to write about their faith, etc.
If he wouldn’t provide the same platform to players of different faiths, or of players specifically with no faith at all (and I’ve got a strong, strong hunch that he wouldn’t), then this is problematic to me on a sports website, just like the attempts at political commentary. – toofamiliar17
I truly don’t seek Christians out, nor do I ask questions about their faith. It’s been my experience that any discussion pertaining to God, religion or Christianity is strictly voluntary from the Tampa Bay players. There have been some very outspoken Christians on the Buccaneers over the years and they wear their faith on their sleeves. Tony Dungy, Trent Dilfer, Gerald McCoy, whose father is a pastor, Josh McCown, Alterraun Verner and Jameis Winston are among the more vocal ones that quickly come to mind.
I don’t know of any Muslims or atheists on the team, and again, I don’t seek out players for religious discussions. If they want to come forward and voluntarily speak about their beliefs I’m happy to include it where it’s appropriate.
In my 22 years of reporting I’ve found that Christian players’ mention of God just happens. It is purely organic within our conversation and I don’t give it any prompting. And when pertinent to the story, as was the case in interviewing Antonor Winston regarding his son’s upbringing, it’s included in the story.
I did find it fascinating that a supposedly immature kid, like Winston, decided to go home in pray on his 21st birthday instead of party. That is actually news to me. When I turned 21 my girlfriend and I went to Aggieville, which is the bar district at Kansas State, and I got drunk and don’t remember too much of what happened after midnight. My girlfriend told me we had fun. I probably had a more typical college kid experience did than Winston had on his 21st birthday, but Winston is definitely a non-typical person.
Right guard Ali Marpet is Jewish, as are the Glazers, so I will do a story on his faith and what it is like to be Jewish in a locker room full of Christians sometime this year per your suggestion, toofamiliar17.
Logan, Coach Scott and Caden – Photo by: South Pasco Predators
I’m tired of this politically correct world we live in today you can’t mention the word “God’ without someone having a fit. Give me a break and get a life – now on to the article.
I also put my son in tackle football at age seven and he played tackle football for the next seven years until he went to high school where he is now on the junior varsity squad at the age of 15. Let me tell you a simple fact that the kids that have more experience playing tackle football at a younger age have a huge advantage learning the fundamentals of playing the game.
At first you just learn how to tackle, catch, block, throw etc. – that takes at least four years to learn. It’s not only a physical aspect of the game you learn, but the mental aspect as well. As the years pass, you learn how to read the alignments, formations and coverages, and learn to pick up little tendencies of opposing players that will tip you off what’s going to happen.
I can tell you the kids that came into freshman football at my son’s school you can literally point out kids who had little to no experience playing and the ones that played for years, and so did the coaches, as the experienced kids played and the other ones didn’t and usually quit.
I recommend to anyone who has sons to put them into tackle at an early age to learn the fundamentals and to progress and get better over the years because if you go to a decent football program, your son will be competing with kids who not only played their whole life, but attended football camps, too.
As far as Jamies Winston, I have been a fan all year. I love his passion and desire for the game. It’s why I wear his jersey. – jongruden
Well said, jongruden. I’ll see how my son, Logan, develops athletically. He loves football, but he may be done after elementary school. He’s entering his seventh year playing football and a decade of hits might be enough for him, especially if there isn’t much of a chance of him going to play college ball. I’m a pretty realistic father and coach.
The risk of injury definitely goes up when you get to high school. I suffered a knee injury and a concussion in my two years of playing. But it’s my left forefinger that I dislocated blocking a punt during my sophomore year that is now inflamed and arthritic and bothers me the most as an adult. Of course I have to type for a living, right?
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Getty Images
This article was a load of fluff and God stuff, plus a dose of your right-wing nonsense at the end. There was zero actual football content. The SR’s Fab 5 used to be worth reading every week. These days, it’s maybe 50-50. – salish_sea
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, salish_sea, but the statistics show that my SR’s Fab 5 columns are actually growing in popularity. There was actually a lot of “football stuff” in this SR’s Fab 5, but perhaps your distaste to the “God stuff” and world views that are different than yours blinded you to the in-depth study of Jameis Winston. If all you could focus on were “God stuff” and the 64 words at the end of the SR’s Fab 5 you missed out on about 6,900 words of “football stuff” I’m afraid. Better luck next week.
Good article. Not much going on right now before camp so hard to find much to talk about. I didn’t like Jameis Winston at first, but I think the kid is authentic and has matured greatly.
It’s already been said here about the politics, but I agree, it’s his website so he can say what he wants. You don’t like it, you have the right to not read it if it bothers you. I happen to agree with him in this matter, but I probably would leave politics out of it if I were in his shoes. It’s his choice though.
As for people getting upset about references to God, that’s nuts. Is he supposed to edit what players and family members say because you don’t like it? Over 90 percent of the population believes in a God of some type. You don’t? Hey that’s fine, but getting mad when it comes up in interviews is just ridiculous.
Again, it’s his website and it’s what players and family said. If God talk bothers you don’t read it. He doesn’t have to cater to the minority because you don’t like it. Maybe go start a football website that censors any reference to God players make because you don’t like. – fredster
I had planned a completely different SR’s Fab 5 for last week, but kind of fell into the Jameis Winston topics through my observations of him at his football and my conversation with his father, Antonor. While I’m not planning to advocate or promote Christianity or religion on PewterReport.com, I’m certainly not going to edit it out when a player mentions the word “God,” either. If that does offend you, I’m not sorry. Write a letter to the players at One Buccaneer Place and ask them not to voluntarily use the word in interviews, but don’t shoot the messenger.
I must admit that my tolerance for political correctness in our society is wearing thin. I turned 44 this year, so it must be my old age. Don’t get me started on the ridiculous fervor over “trigger words” and the supposed need for “safe spaces” on college campuses, either. Anyone who fought in World War II, including my deceased grandfather, would be rolling over in his grave over our suddenly thin-skinned society where it’s a supposed travesty to be offended.
Antonor Winston – Photo by: Scott Reynolds/PR
Scott, this Fab 5 was very interesting. I enjoying learning more about the past regarding Jameis Winston, and I enjoyed learning more about his father. It helps knowing more about how he was raised and what it is that drives him. I was not bothered by the religious comments that his father made one bit. Those are facts and you were reporting them, that’s as it should be. It was nice learning about how some of his teammates joined him at the football camp, and I liked hearing about them.
I also liked learning about you and your kids being involved in youth football, it just provides more of your background and how you deal with such stories. I also agree with you completely regarding the U.K. comments. I would not want to see us lose our freedoms the way that they had given up some of theirs. A majority of the Brits wanted to make corrections, and they have.
I have been reading things about the Bucs that I am not getting from anybody else. I appreciate the work that you do, and I enjoy reading your opinions, even if it should be something that I don’t agree with. It’s your column and your right to place into it whatever you wish. Do not let anyone ever censor you and prevent you from writing whatever you wish.
If there are people who don’t like what they read here, then they don’t have to read the SR’s Fab 5. But I enjoy it very much, keep up the good work. – RB4TampaBay
Thank you, RB4TampaBay. I will say that I thoroughly enjoyed reading every single comment after last week’s SR’s Fab 5 – even the negative ones or the ones I disagreed with. What made me proud of the kind of great people we have on PewterReport.com was that the posts and arguments were very civilized and respectful. Despite some heated topics, I didn’t have to delete any comments, and I thought there was some real healthy debate.
I enjoy reading both sides of an issue and hearing from people with opposing, yet well-reasoned and well-researched opinions. I think that’s what makes America and the First Amendment so outstanding. What I do not like is when people try to silence or shout down other people’s views just because they don’t agree with them.
Scott has just as much right to his opinions as all the politically correct posters who want to censor his freedom of speech. Football is as much mental as it is X’s and O’s, so I find the mental processes of our star players very important, and I thank Scott for reporting their motivations.
My father sacrificed his engineering studies, and while entitled to a sole remaining son deferment, volunteered to serve his country and volunteered for the Army and was lucky to survive the Battle of the Bulge. I also volunteered during the Vietnam War myself.
Had the majority of our posters reflected the values of the American people in World War II we would all be speaking German right now. That is the scary thing to me, and not Scott’s values he revealed, as we face the menace of radical Islam who want to kill everyone who differs with them. – owlykat
Thank you for your service to our country, owlykat. Through my interview with Antonor Winston, I definitely pursued the mental motivations behind Jameis Winston’s success, and I’m glad that came through.
I do believe that political correctness has become a scourge upon our American way of life. We could label our enemies as the British or “Redcoats” in the American Revolutionary War. We could identify our enemies as the Nazis or “Fascists” in World War II. We could label our enemies Soviets or “Communists” in the Cold War. But we can’t identify our ISIS enemies as “radical Islamists” or “jihadists” without being labeled racists or Islamaphobes by some – even though that’s who militant Muslims are and that’s how they self-identify? That illogical and makes no sense to me whatsoever. And for the record, I currently despise both political parties and most politicians in general, and I’m not a fan of either presidential candidate.
I, for one, have enjoyed reading this and other articles about Jameis Winston. While he has made mistakes and owned up to them, he has also matured and become the leader that the Bucs have been lacking for years. The fact of the matter is that it matters not one bit what the posters think of Jameis and his beliefs. It matters what his teammates think. This team has embraced him and his teammates will run through a wall for him because they know he would do the same for them.
You can’t separate a man from his beliefs because they are a part of who he is and what makes him tick. Learning about his father, a positive role model for a change, gives us an insight on who he is. It encourages me to think that he can develop into the franchise quarterback this team has never had. Let’s not forget he is still a kid, nevertheless we see the maturation process happening before our eyes.
He is the real article and nothing exemplifies that for me more than tossing that touchdown to Adam Humphries when he could have easily walked it in. He’s unselfish and team-oriented. Getting some background on him may not be hardcore football stuff but it interests me nonetheless. – JayBucs52
Great points, JayBucs52 – and thank you. Glad you enjoyed the SR’s Fab 5. There are a lot of misconceptions about Jameis Winston that are out there from the national media, and most of them have never even met the friendly, outgoing quarterback. I think that was the overall message his father, Antonor, was trying to convey. Do your research. Do your homework. Get to know the guy before casting him as some villain, which Winston certainly is not.
Bucs DT Gerald McCoy – Photo by: Getty Images
Hey Scott, nice SR’s Fab 5. Sections one through four are nice little pieces. Glad everyone is playing nice – now on to the meat.
In your SR’s Bucs Shots, you referenced that POS article about Gerald McCoy. I’m an old geezer so I’ll revert to an old story about Kareem Abdul Jabbar. For years the pundits ragged on him for not hustling and being lazy. What did he do about it? He set all the NBA scoring records and became one of top five basketball players of all-time.
These are big men we are discussing here, just because McCoy is not flying around like Lavonte David, the impression is they not exerting maximum effort. What a crock of doo-doo. McCoy gets moving awfully fast and very quick for someone who weighs over 300 pounds. I just love it when some writer sitting on his keister decides to rag on someone who he really hasn’t covered except for a few games he watched covering the Falcons.
I hope McCoy remembers this and smacks Matty Ice (Falcons QB Matt Ryan) on his butt. Just another thought, any football player who doesn’t raise hell when called “Matty” deserves a smack down. I don’t like the Falcons either.
All in all, a good Fab 5. But, I have to agree with Johnnybuc, I think that politics should not be discussed here. I come here to forget about the crap that is going on in the world. GO BUCS – chetthevette
I do realize that PewterReport.com is a well-needed escape for many from the dangers and worries of the real world, and I can assure you and other readers that this SR’s Fab 5 Reaction will be the last of my political opinions for quite some time for that reason. I want PewterReport.com and the SR’s Fab 5 column to be viewed as a safe haven where Bucs fans can come to get football news and that’s what it shall be.
You make a great point about the criticism that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar received from the media, and I grew up a huge Los Angeles Lakers fan, so that resonated with me. Like Gerald McCoy, I laughed at the comments by ESPN Falcons reporter Vaughn McClure about his supposed lack of work ethic or effort. Joe Cullen, his former coach, was in no laughing mood, though. He called Mark Cook and then called me a few hours later for even more comments because he was so upset. When he called me he was just finishing up his anniversary dinner with his wife – that’s how pissed he was.
As for McClure, he blocked @PewterReport and apparently many Bucs fans over this flap, which is fine with me. I had never heard of the guy, nor read his tweets before, so it’s no skin off my back. I don’t know if he apologized to McCoy, doubled down on the comments or ignored it, though. I’m guessing he ignored it – outside of blocking Bucs-oriented Twitter followers.
At least when I speculated about some of the misperceptions around McCoy earlier this year in an SR’s Fab 5 column, I wound up apologizing to him publicly and got to the heart of the matter with an on-the-record exclusive interview where a lot of those misconceptions were cleared up. There is no shame in apologizing, yet for some, pride and ego get in the way.
QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Getty Images
Damn good SR’s Fab 5. This is some really good insight into Jameis Winston even for those of us who have been watching him since his freshman year. In college football, players only get one type of publicity off of the field, and that’s bad publicity. There are tons of college athletes that do great work in the community that never get the recognition on a national scale.
Jameis endears his younger brother, that has always been apparent to me, and can be nothing but helpful to keep Jameis in the right mindset all the time.
That’s pretty wild that Vincent Jackson and Jameis are family. I might have to pick VJ up in fantasy football as a No. 2 receiver this year.
Jameis’ ability to take his off-the-field stuff and put it aside was always incredible to me. When things were at their worst, he would always play his best. His first college game against Pitt blew me away. I will never see a better performance in my lifetime. I knew right then and there, he was something special. But you add on top of that, as his father said, that he’s a football athlete now, and throw in his leadership, and we are in for a great ride Bucs fans.
I don’t talk politics, as nothing can divide fellow fans quicker, so I’ll leave that one alone. Really good SR’s Fab 5, especially considering there isn’t any real football to talk about right now. – cgmaster27
Thank you, cgmaster27. Not a bad SR’s Fab 5 for the middle of June, right? Jameis Winston is special, folks. His ability to focus and compartmentalize is rare for a professional athlete. The way Antonor Winston talked about his son’s effort against Syracuse reminded me of when Brett Favre had an epic Monday Night Football performance at Oakland after his father had died the day prior. Favre channeled his grief into destroying the Raiders, 41-7, with a 399-yard, four-touchdown performance.
I get up early every Saturday morning to have my two cups of coffee, read the latest Fab 5, and then head off to the grocery store with my football fix for the day. As John Belushi from Saturday Night Live used to say, “But noooooooooooo.”
First I read a nice insightful article – or five – about our QB’s upbringing and youth football. Then I see that there are a whopping 40 comments and wondered, “What the Buc?” And then I read all the way down to Scott’s line about Great Britain’s recent decision and realize that my fellow posters would go on a rampage regurgitating their political views in my lap.
It made me wonder if these same folks, intent on trying to convince me that I somehow should apologize for making my own way in the world, go on politically related sites and try to persuade those in Denver, Carolina, New England, Arizona, Seattle and Pittsburgh to become Bucs fans.
Great looking kids Scott. That little stocky guy might be named after Logan Mankins, but he resembles Ali Marpet. Looking forward to next week’s SR’s Fab 5 Reaction – scubog
Thank you for your comments on my kids, scubog. I named my son Logan after two people. The first actually is the Marvel character Wolverine. My ex-wife wouldn’t let me name him Wolverine, so I had to settle for Logan. True story.
The second person is actually former Buccaneer Logan Mankins, who was one of my favorite players in the 2005 NFL Draft when he played left tackle. I watched Mankins and his Fresno State Bulldogs destroy my Kansas State Wildcats during the 2004 season and loved his nasty, physical playing style. It was kind of cool that Mankins wound up in Tampa Bay so Logan could watch him play.
But I don’t call Logan Wolverine on the football field. Because of his stocky frame he’s always been called the Juggernaut.
You do make a very good point, too. Let’s stop trying to convince people across America to make this country a red one or blue one with their political views, and instead make it a Pewter Nation all about Jameis Winston and the Buccaneers, shall we?
Scott Reynolds is in his 23rd year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds enjoys giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: email@example.com
Scott, I noticed how you didn’t answer my very first comment in your Fab 5 directly. I suppose there was a reason, not sure what, other than the fact that you believe I was correct, and next time you’ll make sure you’re more informed before making a statement like that.
So yeah, I’ll just go with that….wink,wink.
Keep telling us about the Bucs and if you choose whatever their religious, spiritual beliefs may be, since it really showed a lot of what Jameis and his dad are all about. I loved everything you posted in that last Fab 5…….EXCEPT the final paragraph. But you post whatever you feel the need to, since I’m no longer paying to read it, I have no say. I was just surprised to see such a racist based political statement coming from you. Your Nationalist view on the topic of Brexit is the exact same of Donald Trump and the hundreds of bigots that told countless lies to their countryman to get that vote passed. I’m just surprised and disappointed you went that route.
I don’t think it has anything to do with bigotry over there or over here. I know that’s what some on the left would like to portray it as, looking through a racial lens. I think it’s an economic issue more than anything. There is a real cost to immigration – providing clothing, housing, food, medical care on the taxpayer dime. And then migrants compete with American-born workers for jobs in a very slow economic recovery. It’s taking a toll and I think that’s reflected in the anti-government stance – in both parties (the rise of Donald and Bernie). Just my opinion.
Thanks for the acknowledgement, Scott. I guess I’m, one of those passionate football fans that love discussing football, but when it comes to politics I steer clear…or at least try my best to.
Scott, so in your belief there is no such thing as giving and caring unless you’re a Christian? Might I remind you Jesus was Jewish and was spreading the message of God to all; this included Jews,Muslims as there were no Christians in his life on this planet. My motto all my life is to be a caring and giving person and I see no color nor race; I help my fellow human beings.
May I remind you that Jesus is a pro-Roman Jew? Give to Caesar what is his!
I’m a little struck that you, Horse, think that Jesus existed. I know that you know that Jews were called ‘Christ killers.” This doesn’t strike you as odd? How are Jews called Christ killers over the last two thousand years? Because there never was a Jesus Christ. Jesus is just the Romans making a model to the messianic Jews of how to behave! But, the Jews didn’t know of them, so the Romans made them ‘Christ killers.”
I guess the secular Roman historians, Thallus (52 AD), Tacitus (56 AD -120 AD) who hated the Jews, Jesus and everything He and they stood for, lied in their historical accounts on Jesus, Pontius Pilatus, and other sociological events surrounding Jesus and His crucifixion. The Romans didn’t need to make “a model” for Jews on how to behave. They had them under oppression already for over 60 years before the birth of Christ.
Besides the Gospels eye witness accounts on the life of Christ, many other secular historians also give an account on the life of Jesus. To say that he was a made up person, is just an ignorant statement by someone who clearly knows nothing about Jesus, the Roman empire, or first century world history.
Christianity predates Islam by more than 630 years. Hence the name ‘Christ-ians,’ meaning followers of Christ (Christos, Messiah). The name was given by the Romans for people who followed the Jewish Christ (Messiah). During Jesus’s ministry the Jews just called these people ‘followers’ of Jesus. So yes, their were Christians when Jesus was spreading His message, but there was no Islam, nor would there be for quite sometime. I hope this helps with your timeline.
If we really wanted to prevent illegal immigration, we’d penalize those who employ the illegal immigrants. But we won’t because agriculture depends on them, as do some other industries. I have no issues with immigrants who come over here to earn a living to support their families, legally or not. They do jobs for a lower wage than most Americans would be willing to. The resentment of immigrants is misplaced and not fair. I think, if employers are willing to hire a worker, then it ought to be easy to get a work visa, which would take away most of the incentive to enter illegally. I think the anti-immigrant stance is mostly racism and xenophobia.
Also, I believe that illegal immigration is a wedge issue wielded by conservatives to rile up the racial and ethnic resentments of white people, when it’s not anywhere near as important as many other issues facing this country and the world. Interestingly, the flow of immigrants from Mexico to the U.S. is negative the last few years.
Regarding anti-government stances… That’s clearly what a lot of Drumpf support is about, but I disagree that this is what Bernie’s support is about. I count myself as a #FeelTheBerner and my gripe is with corporations raping the country and government allowing this to happen because they are unwilling to properly regulate financial markets, energy, labor, and the environment… I am pro-government, with the expectation that it should *fully* do it’s job, because government is the only institution that can protect the public interest from complete irresponsible corporate chaos.
Gonna partially disagree with you Scott; some of it is prejudice. But for the most part you’re right. Economically things are tough here. It’s been that way for a long time under both major parties and we need help. I’m just glad PR is still around. A lot of journalistic voices silenced this decade.
Racist? Where the hell did Racism enter into that Comment?
I’m going to apologize for my harsh remarks on last week’s Fab 5. Honestly, I was a bit irritated with the Brexit situation, as this nationalism stuff echoes in the rhetoric from that clown Drumpf who I think is a danger to this country and the world. So I was in no mood for PR/SR to express open support for nationalism. That irritation may have caused me to respond in an overly negative way. As for the content of the article…
(1) To be clear, I have great appreciation for the quality of person Jameis is showing himself to be. I don’t have any problem if his religion is a source of strength and generosity in his life. I dismissively referred to this as fluff, which isn’t fair. It’s not my cup of tea in a Fab 5 because I prefer to read more of the nuts and bolts of the team, than the outside stuff. But I can appreciate that many people liked it. I am already sold on Jameis as a person, so for me it was not news.
(2) When I referred to “godstuff” it wasn’t out of a political correctness. I was just irritated by the political nonsense and consider myself atheist, so it was another sore spot in the article… As a liberal, I have to live with the fact that some of the things I believe will be labelled “political correct” when, in fact, I am anything but that. I actually agree with you, Scott, about “ridiculous fervor over ‘trigger words’ and the supposed need for ‘safe spaces’ on college campuses.” I am shocked by the hypersensitivity displayed by the youth of today. I hear stories of comedians who won’t even play college campuses anymore because kids are offended by EVERYTHING.
(3) I appreciate the effort to produce quality content on a weekly basis, Scott. The Fab 5 is still the best Bucs-related column I’m aware of on the innerwebs. However, I have deep disagreement with the type of politics you have occasionally espoused here. Of course, it’s your column, and I don’t want to be disrespectful. The less politics in this forum, the better.
No apology needed as all opinions are welcome … but thank you. Hey, to me, political correctness is not a left or right issue. I think hypersensitivity is bad regardless of whether it’s from a liberal or conservative viewpoint. Hey, we agree on that and Jameis Winston, salish_sea! Thanks for the kudos.
Salish, Way to man up! We all get heated at times, and I feel and believe much like you do, but as any liberal, conservative or whatever, we need to remember we all have our right to our opinion and nothing positive can come from attacking one another. As it stands here, I see it as we are ALL BUC fans, so we’re ALL here for the same reason, and need to allow one another to be ourselves.
Let’s hope this season we have something to really cheer about! GO BUCS!!!! and GO BUC FANS!!!
Scott, I accept the way you are, feel, and see things; you’re a nice guy. Perhaps a trip to the MidEast to visit the Holiest City in the world might help you to see the light in God in Christians, Muslims, Jews. Honestly I think you are very naive and haven’t had much exposure to the world. Just my opinion.
What are you talking about? This post makes zero sense to me.
I agree, I have zero idea what Horse is trying to say maybe he just got back from the bar who knows, probably same one Drdneast comes from when he shows his support for Stocker
HORSE, It’s SOMEBODY!!! You’re old and a bigot with an IQ of well, a HORSE! God Bless YOU !!!!!
No mystery who is on the left and who is on the right that was obvious by the over the top reaction of political correctness
Yeah, i stayed out of the arguments on that one… Looking forward to arguing about Stocker and our Bucs soon though!
I’ll be rolling down for my annual visit for the Raiders game- I will NOT be talking politics, but I WILL bring beer. I hope that works
Yes gruden, but us moderates want to puke.
Scott, as far as your stance on playing football in high school, I will say this, my son “knock on wood” has yet to have a serious injury or broken bone in 8 yrs of playing football. The important thing is to make sure they learn the proper way of tackling with head up and hit them with your face mask. I didn’t get a broken bone till I was 35 yrs old playing flag football in the “Turkey Bowl” ha, if you want to keep your son “safe” I can respect that but you only have high school once in your life and like I tell my son who is a sophomore now, “do it all go out for everything the memories will last a lifetime and it comes and goes so enjoy while you can cause after school”. Advice* keep your son out of wrestling which to me is far worse than football as far as injuries go my son wrestles and had a concussion and his back of head split open a few times and constant soreness on limbs esp shoulders.
I wish I had the option of editing on this site, my phone constantly screws up
Wrestling is really bad if the opponent uses “the shocker”. My doctor has perfected it.
I don’t get the joke?
The “shocker” is when a wrestler attempts to give his opponent an unexpected digital rectal exam. At least doctors give you a little warning when they want to check your prostate.
I’m pretty atheist. I’ve been atheist around ten when I first put my mind to the question of gods existence. This might not sound like much, but from what I gather of many of the mythicist researchers I study, they were originally Christians if not pastors at one time. Some of them study religion so much, they find enough odd things, they decide, “Hey”, whoa!” Bart Erhman, Robert Price come to mind. Further back in time, there was Reverend Robert Taylor(early 1800s). . . anyways, I’ve seen much pushing of Christianity in both College and the Nfl. I brought it up when I saw it. I didn’t remark on the Winston article a few days ago, because I saw that it wasn’t necessarily pushing Christianity; it was just mentioning it while talking about Jamies.
Lets not do this again sigh
Religion and Politics are subjects to avoid. All of us have opinions based on our experiences, no two are alike. I should have just kept my mouth shut, but Scott should have too!
I’m beginning to think that most of thee posters here that I have long admired are a bunch of closed minded nut jobs.
Hysterical my old-school friend. Some of the politically related remarks are just mind boggling. The only free thing we old hippies wanted was free love. Ahhhhh, those were the days.
Yes Scu you are right; what’s sad is that now most of my friends want it the way it was before the 60’s and don’t want to pay taxes for future generations to enjoy the same things we had.
Scott, as I said in my first original post, it’s your column which means it’s your opinion so you can pretty much put what you what in it.
Never gave it a second thought when Winston’s dad started talking about his faith.
I also believe in the 2nd Amendment, but like a lot of Americans, I believe this country needs stricter gun laws.
I find it highly ironic if you take your AR 15 out hunting you can only have a 5 shot magazine in the rifle.
But if you drive around town with it in your trunk or back seat, you can have two 30 round clips taped together without fear of being arrested.
I guess deer and wildlife get a better break than human beings.
The fact that our Congress and lets face it, mainly the Republican side, can’t pass a law that would forbid people who are on a No Fly or terrorist list from purchasing an Assault rifle or any firearm for that matter, is sheer lunacy.
Finally, I have no problem with being “Politically correct.” The term itself just means you are being “polite.”
Being polite is a behavior this country could use a lot more of instead of the rudeness exhibited by one aspiring candidate for the highest office in the land.
Sailish_Sea, I couldn’t agree with you more in regards to immigration and government protecting its citizen from big business greed. Well thought out, sir.
Sorry drdneast I have to disagree about the failure to enact some kind of gun laws. I think the Democrats are equally to blame as Republicans. The NRA has some kind of Svengali effect on our legislative branch.
It’s been interesting reading the back and forth between Scott and the posters. I must admit that I am not in agreement with Scott on certain areas of his commentary, but that doesn’t mean that I should stop reading or posting because we have different views. I think civil discussion is always a good thing. As a participant in the Tampa Bay Times site for years, I grew tired of authors that had no connection to their readers. They never responded to anyone in the commentary. After a while, their whole style became rote, skimming and corporate to me. I wandered on to the Pewter Report and found passion, depth and an author that is willingness to engage his readers. I think that some of the readers might expect a more formal and traditional setting like TBT, and that’s why there is an issue with the out-of-the-box editorial. It makes sense to me that PR is getting more popular by the day… It’s a good formula. With the anticipated rise of our beloved team in the coming years, I expect that more people will want to join the conversation… and if there’s a better place to talk Bucs (and beyond!), I haven’t seen it. Kudos to Scott, Mark & crew and keep up the great work.
Good article Scott, although it seems like all you’ve been doing is defending yourself after quoting Winston’s father. Which is ridiculous as not once did you say that it is only because our qb is a Christian is he a good qb. Personally I’ve found that Christians are a vocal bunch and the rest of us just get on with it. This attitude of “I believe this and if you don’t your wrong and an idiot to boot” is far too prevalent in today’s society and the UK is seeing far more of its share after Brexit. Incidentally I was interested to read the thoughts from across the pond. As someone previously mentioned we’re at the blackhole of the office season where nothing happens so everything is newsworthy
When I was 7 years old I thought I was the only one who doubted the existence of God and the idea of life after death. I was wrong. Religion and politics can get you killed. With sports, usually the worst that can happen is a black eye or a bloody nose. PR is great entertainment. Thanks to all who contribute here.
I learned this lesson a long time ago. Sometimes it is better to just say nothing! Let everybody in the congregation say amen! lol.
Hey Mac. Checked out your link. Are you Canuck? I wonder what our good friends in the north think about us. As a transplanted Canadian I know they think we are nuts EH!
Maybe we should just stick to football here and just let everyone see their faith thru their own eyes.
I understand what Horse was saying. I doubt he was at a bar before he wrote his comments. I tend to respect his views on football.
jongruden. been clean and sober since 2004, can you say the same.
From what I understand though, many people in this room congregate at the same bar.
I haven’t been a drinker since my USAF Days in 1996 even than it was only a weekend thing, so yeah I can say that I’m not a drinker, but let me ask you are you sure you didn’t fall off the wagon again? Cause your Stocker love would suggest so.
I gave it up five years ago. One day I just decided I didn’t need to drink a beer, a glass of wine, or a hard drink. I hardly ever went to bars anyway.
Sailish_sea and Drdneast, you are both clueless about the problem with illegals being employers hiring them. I can tell you don’t own large business or employ large amount of employees. Are there persons who employ illegals knowingly? Sure there are, but I can tell you they are hired without knowing a lot as well. I have several hundred employees in the Bay Area. I’m not getting into what I do. I have many times found out I had illegals working for me and immediately let them go, and reported that their documents were forged. The problem is they got here illegally! The documents and forms are easily forged and you cannot tell. This has happened to me time and time again. It’s not that I would ever knowingly hire illegals. Usually they are caught because the SS # is for an older or deceased person or something like that. I have always been the one to let them go and report it to the Feds. Social security and IRS never figure it out because they are a bloated disorganized govt run agency like most other inefficient bloated govt agencies. THE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY. I’m all for LEGAL immigration. We cannot afford illegal immigration, and it is dangerous in this world of radical Islam and terrorist to let just anyone come in ILLEGALLY. I guess That somehow makes me bigot now. Give me a break.
BTW how are the “stricter gun control laws” you say we “need”working out in Chicago? They have strictest gun laws in the U.S. I know it’s amazing, but these criminals are killing people left and right with guns (as well as knives and other things)and still getting guns. Imagine that a criminal breaking the law obtaining a gun illegally! Lol. I agree someone on a terror watch list shouldn’t get access to a gun legally, but make no mistake they can obtain one illegally easier or just make a bomb instead. The problem isn’t the gun or the access, but hey believe what you want.
I would also like to see more nuts and bolts stuff about the Bucs that is analytical rather than opinion-based and celebrity-oriented.
The three lobbying groups I would avoid like the plague AIPAC, AARP, and the NRA. It’s not so much about the causes they serve as the scorched earth, either you’re with us or we will destroy you bullying tactics they use to always get what they want. Each of them has made the world worse off as a result of their single-minded pursuit of their own narrow interests. They pretend the people they victimize don’t exist and never existed. That’s the worst part. They offer no solutions for displaced and disenfranchised Palestinians, debt-ridden working people who pay for all the social security and medicare expenses but will never receive those benefits, and victims of gun violence. These peoblems could be solved far more easily if those one-sided lobbyists instead listened to the people they harm.
As I said before jngruden, there are more Stocker fans out here than detractors.
I never considered you being a drunk for your perspective but I did always think you had gone off your meds due to your anger.
I still do.
“more Stocker Fans than detractors”? I doubt that, Tampa Fans can’t be this clueless
If all of what you say is true fredster, then that makes you the exception rather than the rule.
Yes, some government agencies are bloated, but I would rather trust them than a pack of greed head businessmen who would poison our water, food or ruin our economy just so they can have the most cars in their garages.
My grandfather came over here from Russia with no paperwork and he still became a US Citizen. On his Graves Stone that says Birth Place, it says New York, New York. None of our family members became criminals or terriots.
Nice retort Scott. “The power of words” as you state is in fact tremendous. On one of my rants I listed some words that inflamed me quite a bit.
Now for the word in your post that made me smile.
I am glad that we live somewhere that we can spout off and put our views out there, right or wrong. Free speech is the corner stone of who we are as Americans.
I am equally glad that I don’t have to look over my shoulder because I just let hang out in a debate about things that the PR readers feel strongly about.
There is a reason our founding fathers made that the FIRST amendant.
Keep on posting what ever you feel like. Never fear, people will either read it and accept, or they won’t.
Isn’t America great!!
Everyone in this countries relatives came from somewhere else.
Most, like mine probably were, were either thrown out or chased out.
Scott-As always I loved your Fab 5, and like others really look forward to reading every weekend. A couple of comments if I may:
1. You should mention GOD every week. Look at the response & web hits…Gold!!
(if you don’t then I’ll jump in with a comment throwing the “G” word out for you) 🙂
2. I’m 48 now and you definitely get saltier as you get older, and have far less regard for today’s PC speech & lefty’s spin.
3. I’m a gator and took great glee on picking on my FSU friends in regards to JW’s behavior in college (to be honest it was embarrassing). Never a question about his talent just his maturity. Now my friends are not BUC fans so I took the reverse beating when we drafted him (which was the correct pick). I have been waiting for the Manziel shoe to drop, and it hasn’t happened. I found your JW Fab 5 insightful & hopeful that we have not only have a very talented QB but also a matured young man, which should equal a franchise. I’ve become a JW fan.
As always, Go BUCS, in Licht we trust, and GOD BLESS!
Knight- great post and I agree with your whole post 100%, nothing brings in a response than the talk of God atheists and PC Sherrifs alike lose their mind its how controversial radio personalities make a living, people love controversy
The Jameis Winston story and his religious beliefs are fine, but SR was non stop pimping christian BS when Lovie Smith was hired. Now hes adding political views to the fire. This type of commentary is completely inappropriate for this forum, as people come to sites like this for distractions from these types of issues. This site and its product has gone straight downhill since Jim Flynn left, and for the first time in my life I am looking for other sources for Buccaneer related information and discussion.
nyBUTTtguy-Let me give you Hillary’s website link
If you don’t want to chase away readers then talk football only. Not much impressed the the chief editor of Pewter Report has come out and told all that he is a right wing gun toting religious whacko.
I read all the Buc sites, skipper, and PR is the best site for Buc’s insight, bar none. Come back when the the Buc’s Camp starts and then see for yourself. This is off season right now. Scott is honest and says what he thinks. He was the first to tell his readership that Lovie should be fired. There were readers who disagreed on that point, and wanted Lovie to be given another season, but now you should know that Scott was RIGHT. I prefer an expert who tells it as it is and Scott is the best there is.
Scott – as a Brit, let me just say that the reason I took offense to your comments on the Brexit is precisely because my countrymen made a foolish choice based off of lies and misunderstandings being fed to them by corrupt politicians through propagandist actions (which you chose to celebrate)…your quote this week “the UK wanting to become a sovereign a state, like America”, is exactly that sort of propaganda…the UK has always been a fully sovereign state, neither joining nor leaving the EU has changed that one bit. You may choose to cheer on my countrymen’s stupidity from the sidelines..your country gives you the right to do so…but you should be intelligent enough not to fall for the same nonsense…and I hope not to fall for the same nonsense from your own politicians this autumn!
I stopped reading Peter King during the 2012 cycle. His repeated apologies for New England, refusal to condemn suspicious officiating, gushing fluff pieces on superstars and out-of-touch limousine liberal politics were not a good use of my clicks.
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