Welcome to another edition of SR’s Fab 5 Reaction, a new Tuesday feature on PewterReport.com that follows the most recent SR’s Fab 5 column from the previous Friday. This is my opportunity to comment or offer my thoughts on our readers comments from the SR’s Fab 5 column. There might be a point in my SR’s Fab 5 that I want or need to clarify or emphasize, or a question is prompted from a reader that should be answered.
That’s where SR’s Fab 5 Reaction comes in. The comments listed below have been edited only for clarity and grammar – not content. If someone has an issue with something I write, there won’t be any censorship here and I’ll address it head on.
Because of the content and the volume of comments this week, I’ve doubled the number of comments I’ve responded to for this edition of SR’s Fab 5 Reaction. Here are some of my opening statements.
It’s amazing the power of words, especially the right words – and sometimes use of the wrong words. Last week’s SR’s Fab 5 was 7,025 words long, yet the last 64 words about Great Britain using the process of democracy and voting to leave the European Union elicited the most comments. It’s not surprising that given the fact that outside of the emotion of love, nothing elicits passion more than three things – religion, politics and sports.
Fortunately – or unfortunately – for you, you got all three in this week’s edition of SR’s Fab 5. In case you don’t know, finishing up SR’s Fab 5 usually consumes my Thursday afternoon and Thursday evening. I typically go to bed around 2:00 a.m. and add photos and make last-minute corrections early Friday morning. The Brexit vote happened to be going on while I was working on the column and I found it to be a fascinating distraction.
I am an American history buff, and I take great interest in the American Revolutionary War, of which England holds a significant place in our country’s history. I saw a historical moment unfolding last Thursday night in the U.K. wanting to become a sovereign state, as America is (for now), and wanted to offer some congratulations. So that’s the origin of the final, controversial 64 words of the SR’s Fab 5.
The content on PewterReport.com and our @PewterReport Twitter account is 99 percent Bucs football-oriented. However, I do take liberty – and l love that word – with the one percent and will occasionally chime in on other events happening around the world. I do this far less frequently than the legendary Peter King does in his Monday Morning QB for example.
As a hunter, a responsible gun owner and a card-carrying member of the NRA, I have an opposite view of guns that King has, and despite his frequent anti-gun stance in his columns, I read his opinion and respect his views, but they have no affect on me because of my own viewpoint. His politics aside, I am a faithful reader of his MMQB column and don’t hold his views against him.
I hope the Bucs fans that visit PewterReport.com will show me the same courtesy over the tiny, one percent of the world events that I will comment on once in a while. Now on to your comments.
While I don’t believe sports sites are a place for religious dogma, all SR did was report about our star QB’s father mentioning that one of the three guiding principles of his son’s life was God. That’s reporting. So what?
Why would that make people go “nuts?” It was not a religious article, nor was it SR making an overt religious statement. He was just reporting on one of the three core beliefs of our star QB. – 76Buc
I think that is a fair statement, 76Buc. All I was doing was transcribing and relaying Antonor Winston’s own words when describing Jameis Winston’s belief in God and how that spiritual relationship has helped him in life. I’m simply reporting in this instance, not advocating Christianity or any particular religious belief.
Some of these SR’s Fab 5 columns have been more overtly supportive of the Christian faith of a player than this one, particularly the one about Gerald McCoy and his that happened a while ago. If it really is just reporting on a player’s personal motivations etc., then I challenge PR to seek out prominent Bucs players who are overt atheists and want to talk about how that’s factored into their development as players, or a Muslim or Jewish player who wants to go on about how the teachings of his faith have led him to treat people a certain way.
I don’t know if there are any such players on our team. Maybe the opportunity isn’t even really there. That seems unlikely, but it’s possible. But even then, Scott’s personal beliefs do show through in the way he reports these things. Tone plays a big part in writing. At this point, it is very clear that Scott seeks out vocal Christian players on the team to be able to write about their faith, etc.
If he wouldn’t provide the same platform to players of different faiths, or of players specifically with no faith at all (and I’ve got a strong, strong hunch that he wouldn’t), then this is problematic to me on a sports website, just like the attempts at political commentary. – toofamiliar17
I truly don’t seek Christians out, nor do I ask questions about their faith. It’s been my experience that any discussion pertaining to God, religion or Christianity is strictly voluntary from the Tampa Bay players. There have been some very outspoken Christians on the Buccaneers over the years and they wear their faith on their sleeves. Tony Dungy, Trent Dilfer, Gerald McCoy, whose father is a pastor, Josh McCown, Alterraun Verner and Jameis Winston are among the more vocal ones that quickly come to mind.
I don’t know of any Muslims or atheists on the team, and again, I don’t seek out players for religious discussions. If they want to come forward and voluntarily speak about their beliefs I’m happy to include it where it’s appropriate.
In my 22 years of reporting I’ve found that Christian players’ mention of God just happens. It is purely organic within our conversation and I don’t give it any prompting. And when pertinent to the story, as was the case in interviewing Antonor Winston regarding his son’s upbringing, it’s included in the story.
I did find it fascinating that a supposedly immature kid, like Winston, decided to go home in pray on his 21st birthday instead of party. That is actually news to me. When I turned 21 my girlfriend and I went to Aggieville, which is the bar district at Kansas State, and I got drunk and don’t remember too much of what happened after midnight. My girlfriend told me we had fun. I probably had a more typical college kid experience did than Winston had on his 21st birthday, but Winston is definitely a non-typical person.
Right guard Ali Marpet is Jewish, as are the Glazers, so I will do a story on his faith and what it is like to be Jewish in a locker room full of Christians sometime this year per your suggestion, toofamiliar17.
I’m tired of this politically correct world we live in today you can’t mention the word “God’ without someone having a fit. Give me a break and get a life – now on to the article.
I also put my son in tackle football at age seven and he played tackle football for the next seven years until he went to high school where he is now on the junior varsity squad at the age of 15. Let me tell you a simple fact that the kids that have more experience playing tackle football at a younger age have a huge advantage learning the fundamentals of playing the game.
At first you just learn how to tackle, catch, block, throw etc. – that takes at least four years to learn. It’s not only a physical aspect of the game you learn, but the mental aspect as well. As the years pass, you learn how to read the alignments, formations and coverages, and learn to pick up little tendencies of opposing players that will tip you off what’s going to happen.
I can tell you the kids that came into freshman football at my son’s school you can literally point out kids who had little to no experience playing and the ones that played for years, and so did the coaches, as the experienced kids played and the other ones didn’t and usually quit.
I recommend to anyone who has sons to put them into tackle at an early age to learn the fundamentals and to progress and get better over the years because if you go to a decent football program, your son will be competing with kids who not only played their whole life, but attended football camps, too.
As far as Jamies Winston, I have been a fan all year. I love his passion and desire for the game. It’s why I wear his jersey. – jongruden
Well said, jongruden. I’ll see how my son, Logan, develops athletically. He loves football, but he may be done after elementary school. He’s entering his seventh year playing football and a decade of hits might be enough for him, especially if there isn’t much of a chance of him going to play college ball. I’m a pretty realistic father and coach.
The risk of injury definitely goes up when you get to high school. I suffered a knee injury and a concussion in my two years of playing. But it’s my left forefinger that I dislocated blocking a punt during my sophomore year that is now inflamed and arthritic and bothers me the most as an adult. Of course I have to type for a living, right?
This article was a load of fluff and God stuff, plus a dose of your right-wing nonsense at the end. There was zero actual football content. The SR’s Fab 5 used to be worth reading every week. These days, it’s maybe 50-50. – salish_sea
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, salish_sea, but the statistics show that my SR’s Fab 5 columns are actually growing in popularity. There was actually a lot of “football stuff” in this SR’s Fab 5, but perhaps your distaste to the “God stuff” and world views that are different than yours blinded you to the in-depth study of Jameis Winston. If all you could focus on were “God stuff” and the 64 words at the end of the SR’s Fab 5 you missed out on about 6,900 words of “football stuff” I’m afraid. Better luck next week.
Good article. Not much going on right now before camp so hard to find much to talk about. I didn’t like Jameis Winston at first, but I think the kid is authentic and has matured greatly.
It’s already been said here about the politics, but I agree, it’s his website so he can say what he wants. You don’t like it, you have the right to not read it if it bothers you. I happen to agree with him in this matter, but I probably would leave politics out of it if I were in his shoes. It’s his choice though.
As for people getting upset about references to God, that’s nuts. Is he supposed to edit what players and family members say because you don’t like it? Over 90 percent of the population believes in a God of some type. You don’t? Hey that’s fine, but getting mad when it comes up in interviews is just ridiculous.
Again, it’s his website and it’s what players and family said. If God talk bothers you don’t read it. He doesn’t have to cater to the minority because you don’t like it. Maybe go start a football website that censors any reference to God players make because you don’t like. – fredster
I had planned a completely different SR’s Fab 5 for last week, but kind of fell into the Jameis Winston topics through my observations of him at his football and my conversation with his father, Antonor. While I’m not planning to advocate or promote Christianity or religion on PewterReport.com, I’m certainly not going to edit it out when a player mentions the word “God,” either. If that does offend you, I’m not sorry. Write a letter to the players at One Buccaneer Place and ask them not to voluntarily use the word in interviews, but don’t shoot the messenger.
I must admit that my tolerance for political correctness in our society is wearing thin. I turned 44 this year, so it must be my old age. Don’t get me started on the ridiculous fervor over “trigger words” and the supposed need for “safe spaces” on college campuses, either. Anyone who fought in World War II, including my deceased grandfather, would be rolling over in his grave over our suddenly thin-skinned society where it’s a supposed travesty to be offended.
Scott, this Fab 5 was very interesting. I enjoying learning more about the past regarding Jameis Winston, and I enjoyed learning more about his father. It helps knowing more about how he was raised and what it is that drives him. I was not bothered by the religious comments that his father made one bit. Those are facts and you were reporting them, that’s as it should be. It was nice learning about how some of his teammates joined him at the football camp, and I liked hearing about them.
I also liked learning about you and your kids being involved in youth football, it just provides more of your background and how you deal with such stories. I also agree with you completely regarding the U.K. comments. I would not want to see us lose our freedoms the way that they had given up some of theirs. A majority of the Brits wanted to make corrections, and they have.
I have been reading things about the Bucs that I am not getting from anybody else. I appreciate the work that you do, and I enjoy reading your opinions, even if it should be something that I don’t agree with. It’s your column and your right to place into it whatever you wish. Do not let anyone ever censor you and prevent you from writing whatever you wish.
If there are people who don’t like what they read here, then they don’t have to read the SR’s Fab 5. But I enjoy it very much, keep up the good work. – RB4TampaBay
Thank you, RB4TampaBay. I will say that I thoroughly enjoyed reading every single comment after last week’s SR’s Fab 5 – even the negative ones or the ones I disagreed with. What made me proud of the kind of great people we have on PewterReport.com was that the posts and arguments were very civilized and respectful. Despite some heated topics, I didn’t have to delete any comments, and I thought there was some real healthy debate.
I enjoy reading both sides of an issue and hearing from people with opposing, yet well-reasoned and well-researched opinions. I think that’s what makes America and the First Amendment so outstanding. What I do not like is when people try to silence or shout down other people’s views just because they don’t agree with them.
Scott has just as much right to his opinions as all the politically correct posters who want to censor his freedom of speech. Football is as much mental as it is X’s and O’s, so I find the mental processes of our star players very important, and I thank Scott for reporting their motivations.
My father sacrificed his engineering studies, and while entitled to a sole remaining son deferment, volunteered to serve his country and volunteered for the Army and was lucky to survive the Battle of the Bulge. I also volunteered during the Vietnam War myself.
Had the majority of our posters reflected the values of the American people in World War II we would all be speaking German right now. That is the scary thing to me, and not Scott’s values he revealed, as we face the menace of radical Islam who want to kill everyone who differs with them. – owlykat
Thank you for your service to our country, owlykat. Through my interview with Antonor Winston, I definitely pursued the mental motivations behind Jameis Winston’s success, and I’m glad that came through.
I do believe that political correctness has become a scourge upon our American way of life. We could label our enemies as the British or “Redcoats” in the American Revolutionary War. We could identify our enemies as the Nazis or “Fascists” in World War II. We could label our enemies Soviets or “Communists” in the Cold War. But we can’t identify our ISIS enemies as “radical Islamists” or “jihadists” without being labeled racists or Islamaphobes by some – even though that’s who militant Muslims are and that’s how they self-identify? That illogical and makes no sense to me whatsoever. And for the record, I currently despise both political parties and most politicians in general, and I’m not a fan of either presidential candidate.
I, for one, have enjoyed reading this and other articles about Jameis Winston. While he has made mistakes and owned up to them, he has also matured and become the leader that the Bucs have been lacking for years. The fact of the matter is that it matters not one bit what the posters think of Jameis and his beliefs. It matters what his teammates think. This team has embraced him and his teammates will run through a wall for him because they know he would do the same for them.
You can’t separate a man from his beliefs because they are a part of who he is and what makes him tick. Learning about his father, a positive role model for a change, gives us an insight on who he is. It encourages me to think that he can develop into the franchise quarterback this team has never had. Let’s not forget he is still a kid, nevertheless we see the maturation process happening before our eyes.
He is the real article and nothing exemplifies that for me more than tossing that touchdown to Adam Humphries when he could have easily walked it in. He’s unselfish and team-oriented. Getting some background on him may not be hardcore football stuff but it interests me nonetheless. – JayBucs52
Great points, JayBucs52 – and thank you. Glad you enjoyed the SR’s Fab 5. There are a lot of misconceptions about Jameis Winston that are out there from the national media, and most of them have never even met the friendly, outgoing quarterback. I think that was the overall message his father, Antonor, was trying to convey. Do your research. Do your homework. Get to know the guy before casting him as some villain, which Winston certainly is not.
Hey Scott, nice SR’s Fab 5. Sections one through four are nice little pieces. Glad everyone is playing nice – now on to the meat.
In your SR’s Bucs Shots, you referenced that POS article about Gerald McCoy. I’m an old geezer so I’ll revert to an old story about Kareem Abdul Jabbar. For years the pundits ragged on him for not hustling and being lazy. What did he do about it? He set all the NBA scoring records and became one of top five basketball players of all-time.
These are big men we are discussing here, just because McCoy is not flying around like Lavonte David, the impression is they not exerting maximum effort. What a crock of doo-doo. McCoy gets moving awfully fast and very quick for someone who weighs over 300 pounds. I just love it when some writer sitting on his keister decides to rag on someone who he really hasn’t covered except for a few games he watched covering the Falcons.
I hope McCoy remembers this and smacks Matty Ice (Falcons QB Matt Ryan) on his butt. Just another thought, any football player who doesn’t raise hell when called “Matty” deserves a smack down. I don’t like the Falcons either.
All in all, a good Fab 5. But, I have to agree with Johnnybuc, I think that politics should not be discussed here. I come here to forget about the crap that is going on in the world. GO BUCS – chetthevette
I do realize that PewterReport.com is a well-needed escape for many from the dangers and worries of the real world, and I can assure you and other readers that this SR’s Fab 5 Reaction will be the last of my political opinions for quite some time for that reason. I want PewterReport.com and the SR’s Fab 5 column to be viewed as a safe haven where Bucs fans can come to get football news and that’s what it shall be.
You make a great point about the criticism that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar received from the media, and I grew up a huge Los Angeles Lakers fan, so that resonated with me. Like Gerald McCoy, I laughed at the comments by ESPN Falcons reporter Vaughn McClure about his supposed lack of work ethic or effort. Joe Cullen, his former coach, was in no laughing mood, though. He called Mark Cook and then called me a few hours later for even more comments because he was so upset. When he called me he was just finishing up his anniversary dinner with his wife – that’s how pissed he was.
As for McClure, he blocked @PewterReport and apparently many Bucs fans over this flap, which is fine with me. I had never heard of the guy, nor read his tweets before, so it’s no skin off my back. I don’t know if he apologized to McCoy, doubled down on the comments or ignored it, though. I’m guessing he ignored it – outside of blocking Bucs-oriented Twitter followers.
At least when I speculated about some of the misperceptions around McCoy earlier this year in an SR’s Fab 5 column, I wound up apologizing to him publicly and got to the heart of the matter with an on-the-record exclusive interview where a lot of those misconceptions were cleared up. There is no shame in apologizing, yet for some, pride and ego get in the way.
Damn good SR’s Fab 5. This is some really good insight into Jameis Winston even for those of us who have been watching him since his freshman year. In college football, players only get one type of publicity off of the field, and that’s bad publicity. There are tons of college athletes that do great work in the community that never get the recognition on a national scale.
Jameis endears his younger brother, that has always been apparent to me, and can be nothing but helpful to keep Jameis in the right mindset all the time.
That’s pretty wild that Vincent Jackson and Jameis are family. I might have to pick VJ up in fantasy football as a No. 2 receiver this year.
Jameis’ ability to take his off-the-field stuff and put it aside was always incredible to me. When things were at their worst, he would always play his best. His first college game against Pitt blew me away. I will never see a better performance in my lifetime. I knew right then and there, he was something special. But you add on top of that, as his father said, that he’s a football athlete now, and throw in his leadership, and we are in for a great ride Bucs fans.
I don’t talk politics, as nothing can divide fellow fans quicker, so I’ll leave that one alone. Really good SR’s Fab 5, especially considering there isn’t any real football to talk about right now. – cgmaster27
Thank you, cgmaster27. Not a bad SR’s Fab 5 for the middle of June, right? Jameis Winston is special, folks. His ability to focus and compartmentalize is rare for a professional athlete. The way Antonor Winston talked about his son’s effort against Syracuse reminded me of when Brett Favre had an epic Monday Night Football performance at Oakland after his father had died the day prior. Favre channeled his grief into destroying the Raiders, 41-7, with a 399-yard, four-touchdown performance.
I get up early every Saturday morning to have my two cups of coffee, read the latest Fab 5, and then head off to the grocery store with my football fix for the day. As John Belushi from Saturday Night Live used to say, “But noooooooooooo.”
First I read a nice insightful article – or five – about our QB’s upbringing and youth football. Then I see that there are a whopping 40 comments and wondered, “What the Buc?” And then I read all the way down to Scott’s line about Great Britain’s recent decision and realize that my fellow posters would go on a rampage regurgitating their political views in my lap.
It made me wonder if these same folks, intent on trying to convince me that I somehow should apologize for making my own way in the world, go on politically related sites and try to persuade those in Denver, Carolina, New England, Arizona, Seattle and Pittsburgh to become Bucs fans.
Great looking kids Scott. That little stocky guy might be named after Logan Mankins, but he resembles Ali Marpet. Looking forward to next week’s SR’s Fab 5 Reaction – scubog
Thank you for your comments on my kids, scubog. I named my son Logan after two people. The first actually is the Marvel character Wolverine. My ex-wife wouldn’t let me name him Wolverine, so I had to settle for Logan. True story.
The second person is actually former Buccaneer Logan Mankins, who was one of my favorite players in the 2005 NFL Draft when he played left tackle. I watched Mankins and his Fresno State Bulldogs destroy my Kansas State Wildcats during the 2004 season and loved his nasty, physical playing style. It was kind of cool that Mankins wound up in Tampa Bay so Logan could watch him play.
But I don’t call Logan Wolverine on the football field. Because of his stocky frame he’s always been called the Juggernaut.
You do make a very good point, too. Let’s stop trying to convince people across America to make this country a red one or blue one with their political views, and instead make it a Pewter Nation all about Jameis Winston and the Buccaneers, shall we?