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Scott Reynolds

Scott Reynolds is in his 23rd year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds enjoys giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]

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    surferdudes

    If we draft Winston, draft his center Evans with the next pick, then L.T.. That Evans kid would really beef up the middle.

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    scubog

    I don’t think we’ll have to try very hard to lose. We’ve become quite proficient at it. Trade the # 1 pick, acquire a pirate’s booty of draft choices and hope Winston falls a little further down.

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    surferdudes

    Excuse me, the FSU center is Cameron Irving. Kid would really bolster the middle of our line. Brooks who was at FSU’s game is a big supporter of Winston, that should help ease the Glazer’s concerns. So if I’m picking it’s Winston #1. With my 2nd, and 3rd, I go center, left Tackle, B.A..

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      tjhuth

      surferdudes, I am not so sure DB is a big Winston supporter. While Brooks acknowledges his talent (and based on raw talent Winston is a great prospect), Brooks has also “very tactfully” called him out on 620 WDAE for not listening to those who are trying to turn him around. DB is extremely polite and didn’t call him out in public – that isn’t his style because he is a consumate gentleman. But he made it known that he didn’t understand why JW was not apparently listening to the council of others.
      JW is a huge risk IMO and I hope the BUCS don’t draft him.

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    macabee

    Don’t blow it, Bucs. That’s the important sentence in this well-written piece by Scott. The victorius but hapless Raiders went from the #1 pick to the 5th pick because of strength of schedule.

    Jason Licht and his entourage ought to go in force to the FSU/Oregon game and bring one back alive and hope we never have the chance to pick first again. If not now, when?

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    EastEndBoy

    Well reasoned Scott…I too recall those heartbreaking, meaningless wins, listening to people tell me that they would be good momentum going into the following seasons…malarkey,…this franchise has a propensity for all too often making the wrong choices in the draft…Luke Keuchley should be ours right now too….we need to draft Mariota….we need a franchise QB for once…we need the hope….and yes we need to somehow get him an OLine too….

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    dre8334

    This is seldom said, because we all have differing opinions, but I COMPLETELY and whole-heartedly agree with every word. Save the stars from disastrous injuries. Play the newer players (eve from the practice squad). Make firm decisions over the final weeks who is going to stay and who is going to go. The only thing I would add is do the same for every coach and scout. Hit the ground running next year with an improved organization.

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      KINDERRT

      The most correct article that has been written by PR this year. The Buc’s need to shut down LD and McCoy now. We can only hope the Buc’s are smart enough to play for the number one pick and give the fans hope for a few years to see if we got a Franchise QB. Would make this lost season worth while.

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    stlbucsfan

    I hope Lovie and Licht look past Mariotta’s numbers and realize that IF we draft him that means we have to commit to a style of offense that suits him. If recent history has shown us anything with mobile QBs its that forcing them to become pocket passers has not worked. For that reason alone I’m leaning toward Jameis, who I know has the baggage and subpar numbers but I see a lot of the Andrew Luck gun slinger mentality where it doesnt always work but he always fights and finds a way to win. Again not knocking Marriota I just highly doubt Lovie would commit to the style of play it would take for him to be successful.

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    surferdudes

    When you look deeper into Winston’s numbers this year, he might actually played better. Hear me out. First, when you lose Benjamin to the NFL, you lost a lot. Second, Jamis has been playing on a bum ankle the whole season. I wouldn’t be shocked if he needs ankle surgery after the season. Third, his defense has sucked this year. He’s had to play from behind almost every game, you’d be pressing too. Plus the bad press he’s gotten all year, although he’s never been charged with a crime, and has kept his mouth shut all season, and nose clean. If you think a D end from Nebs, or a left tackle from somewhere,or the Bust, I mean Duck should be picked #1 over Winston, you’re probably Buc brass!

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      tjhuth

      Where did JW hurt his ankle? Running out of Publix with crab legs or stepping down off a table after yelling obscenities and derrogatory comments?

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    seat26

    Pocket passers are what works in the NFL. A mobile QB doesn’t have to be a runner, he just has to be able to avoid the rush sometimes. Mariotta is a safe bet, because of his natural skills and his ability to avoid the sack. He also has good character. We cannot afford another Talib type player who gets into trouble all the time and doesn’t care how it effects the Team. I will be happy with either of the two top QB’s, but Bucs gotta know they are getting a good citizen as well as a good player.

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    jongruden

    I would expect such support and excuses from this web site of posters since most live in the state or are from the state of Fla, I have said my peace on Winston and if you guys can’t see that Mariota is the better choice then all I have to say to you is “Go Noles”

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    jongruden

    I am still haunted by the 1989 draft when we lost out on getting the stud lb from Alabama in Derrick Thomas and Deion Sanders from FSU, ugh. I can just see the Bucs beating the Saints in the last game then pouring gatorade on lovie like they won the super bowl and drop from #1 to 5th like the Raiders did yesterday and then we get the Noles Fans choice in Winston and see what the Raiders went through with Jamarcus Russel. If there is such a football god he owes us enough to let us lose the rest of the season so we don’t blow the chance of getting a real franchise qb

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    pinkstob

    I’m on the same page with the posters above that said they agree with this article 100%. I will also throw out the example of the Colts the year before they drafted Luck. They had just as many holes in their team as we do, specifically on the O-line which is why I bring them up. The Colts went on to draft Luck, Fleener, Allen, T.Y. Hilton and Chapman. The O-line went on to continue to get their QB sacked and were annually near the top of the league in that category. They seem to have finally gotten better at that this year, but to this day their O-line still can’t run block. My point is look at the success the Colts have had and imagine what we can do if we draft Mariota 1st overall AND draft many O-linemen in the other rounds to help protect him.

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    kram0789

    I totally agree with SR. The most important priority is to develop our young players for next year. If that costs us a meaningless win I will exult at the gain in draft position.

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    Bucmeister

    I agree. I’m in the MM camp. Both bring a lot to the table as QB’s,but a little mobility helps. Don’t forget JW was suspended from the baseball team last year. Character does matter. If the Bucs believe there is a franchise QB, draft him, if not trade down and develop an OL, I’m willing to suffer through 3 or 4 rookie OL to grow a line. What ever the Bucs do, ignore whatever Coach Smith recommends for the offence his track record speaks for itself.

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    Garv

    Good stuff Scott and I concur. Play our youth and find out what they have. DEFINITELY shut down McCoy and David. And either draft that QB, probably Mariota, or make the RGIII type trade if available.
    My oft repeated worries are the same. We still have and will have St. Lovie in charge. I don’t have any confidence that’s good for our offense.

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    Horse

    Well I am one of the Posters who doesn’t agree with most of the data you threw out there Scott.
    Don’t get suckered in about Winston as to what you saw against Georgia Tech which wasn’t that good of a team despite their weak schedule too. Winston is a gamer, but he has fundamental issues which will be tough to break. As for all the drafting information; it’s who we draft, not where we draft. We have a poor history of successful No 1. and No. 2 round draft picks. Proof of that alone is what we have done since the Super Bowl. I do agree with the idea to play the young now and rest the injured. I disagree about the most important statement? NO! No! NO! We should always try to win. I would prefer to end the season at 5-11; that’s something positive to build on. Go Bucs! Win Out!

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    wnb0395

    Wow, it just amazes me that some of you think Winston is a better QB then Mariota. Mariota is more then a Mobile just a Mobile QB. OF the top 40 QBs in college Mariota is #1 in Yds/A, TD-INT%, and QB rating. He is 5th in Yds yet taking despite taking 140-180 less attempts. His 2 INTs this year (which is the lowest # of the top 40 QBs)speaks for his accuracy and intellegence. The fact that he is mobile just adds to his potential. He will be eable to extend plays with his feet and avoid sacks behind our atrocious Oline. He reminds me of Steve Young. Great QB awareness, mobility when needed, but can still make the throws. Its not like he is a one year wonder, he put up almost identicle numbers last year 31 TDs-4Ints. He also doesnt have some stud WR he is always throwing to. His leading WR only has 814 yds and 5 TDs so he spreads the ball out. Winston is a guy who only had 4 more pass atempt per game then Mariota, threw 15 more INTs, 14 less TDs, and 200 less YDs. thats not even a 2/1 TD/INT ration compared to Mariota’s 19/1. What good is a pocket passer if he is inacurate and throws a lot of TD’s. I dont even believe Winston is the 2nd best QB in this draft. Then there is teh whole Character issue. He was caught on tape stealing. He has been accused of Rape. Just beacuse he is from FSU doesn’t mean we should draft him.

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    aquilus

    Mariota over Winston…plain and simple. We dont need a headache and Winston is a walking headache

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    76Buc

    Winson is a punk. Mariota is a very good kid, but as some of you mentioned, Lovie will need to goget an Eagles type OC from either them, Oregon, somewhere. Will he do that? Dp any of you know an avalble or potentially available OC with that mindset? PR?

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      76Buc

      Sorry for the typos. Hit post by mistake. Winson is a punk. Mariota is a very good kid, but as some of you mentioned, Lovie will need to go get an Eagles type OC from either them, Oregon, or somewhere. Will he do that? Do any of you know of an avalble or potentially available OC with that mindset? PR?

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    macabee

    I’m not going to get to pick the QB or even talk to the people who will. I have said it before and I’ll say it again – I wouldn’t let Winston’s off-field antics alone take him off my draft board. What I’m expressing is just a personal difference in tolerance level. I don’t want Winston to hold a position in my church and I don’t want my overweight minister on my football team.

    I haven’t decided on a QB yet, but I’m firmly in the camp of those who say draft one in the 1st round. Winston and Mariota will go head to head. That will tell us a lot about their football skills against top-notch competition. Then we will see them under the microscope from the invitational bowl games thru the Combine. We will eventually see who the better football player is and that’s all that matters to me.

    The majority of fans will not agree with me and I understand why they wouldn’t. It is always a good thing if every player on your team could run for president, but that’s not the way it is in society, in your family, and not on your football team. I’ve been through several administrations of the desire for former team captains and players with unquestionable moral turpitude, and frankly some of them can’t play football.

    You see if the Law says you’re OK to join society and the NFL says you are eligible to play football and you can really play football, I’m not going to pass my personal moral judgments on any player. Bill Belichick has won at least 10 games for the last 12 years and if you look at the people he signs for his roster like Talib and Blount, he agrees with me! And if you wanted a more apt comparison, most of you wouldn’t draft Ben Rotheslisberger either!

    It’s just my opinion and I’m happy to stand alone with it!

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      76Buc

      You don’t stand alone. I think you make an excellent point about us being able to tell alot when they go head to head. Who keeps their poise and executes will speak volumes.

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      tjhuth

      macabee,
      I am not looking for a goodie-two-shoes. I agree the courts should be handling these issues (and not the media or university admin or boosters).
      I also agree that JW is one hell of a football player. He is special.

      What I am looking for and what I believe the BUCS need is someone who is both talented and RELIABLE. I could have lived with both Talib and Blount. But they weren’t the QB. If I am going to draft the #1 pick, they have to be the whole package. I don’t want my #1 pick being wasted on someone who might get arrested and wind up in jail. Through his antics, JW has shown his lack of a moral compass. Give the dude some money and who knows what will happen.
      With a late round pick, with a non-qb position, go ahead and take a chance, but not with the number 1 pick in the draft. If he flames out, it will set the BUCs back years.

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    KINDERRT

    Well said macabee, everyone seems to overlook some of the questionable players on other teams. How long will it take to pick up Ray Rice or Peterson if he is cut loose next year? Those players have been proven to have issues but will be forgiven by next year. People have short memories if you are a proven winner in this league.

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      jongruden

      Kinderrt- You make a great point since we are willing to over look Winstons character lets sign Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson Greg Hardy and Adam Pacman Jones I mean I don’t want my pastor to be my qb anyway

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    jongruden

    What a horrible line ” wouldn’t want my pastor to be my qb”, lol ok whatever

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      macabee

      JG,

      Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense!

      I stole that horrible line from Robert Frost. Thought you might like it! lol

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        jongruden

        Are you sure you didn’t get that line from Al Davis?

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    warren

    Oakland (Bortles) and Jacksonville (Carr) don’t need QBs. Tennessee (Mettenberger) probably doesn’t either. That leaves the Jets (2-11), Bucs (2-11) and Redskins (3-10) in the hunt for the top QBs, barring some trades on or before the draft. So, as long as the Bucs stay “ahead” of the Jets and Redskins in the draft, they should be able to get Mariota or Winston. I would prefer Mariota with an OC that knows the style of offense suited to Mariota. Here’s the problem: do we REALLY trust Lovie to take a QB as the Bucs first choice. His history with the Bears and as a defensive coach calls that into question even though his and the GM’s top selections in the draft last year were on offense. Hopefully, the GM will make the determination to draft a QB as the Bucs first pick.

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    Bucmeister

    I believe I read somewhere today that Lovie has never drafted a QB in the first round. Couple that with he has never drafted a guard higher than the 4th round foreshadows the Bucs draft and what we have to look forward to.

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      jongruden

      Lovie acquired Cutler through a trade so they didn’t need to draft one, Gm’s have more to do with the draft selections than the head coach (sigh) this is basic knowledge people

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    jongruden

    Macabee- While you undervalue the importance of character, gm’s and coaches will not, they will look at maturity, leadership and what kind of example will you be when representing the Buccaneers. Character hurt Manziel and it will certantly hurt Winston in the draft and with Mariota available there is a snow balls chance in hell that Licht and Lovie will take the scrutinized Winston at #1 or before Mariota. They may not want their pastor but they want a decent human being as their qb.

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    jongruden

    I would like PR to chime in on the possible scenerio of drafting either Mariota or Winston with the possible #1 pick and which way you see them going with that selection

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    Horse

    They don’t go head to go. FSU Defense is awful. Oregon Defense is better than the ACC teams so I expect Oregon to spank FSU. Although FSU always seems to play good enough to win all their games as Winston as their QB the last two years and a National Championship with Winston.

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    macabee

    Jon,

    Please re-read my post. I’m not saying pick Winston. I’m saying let the evaluative process play out. The difference between your position and mine is you have apparently made character the only variable and eliminated Winston before the football questions have been answered. I’ve simply said I won’t do that. Let’s look at everything according to the process before we make up our minds on either.

    Then you and I both are assuming that picking a QB is the only alternative and in your case, that must be Mariota. We both could be way off from what Lovie and Licht are actually thinking. Be careful, for all we know the Bucs may trade down for a ration of draft picks and as part of that trade Nick Foles is the new Bucs QB.

    Sure character matters, but so does the offensive scheme chosen and the new OC – all things that will be decided long before a QB is chosen. If I could be so presumptuous as to give advice, I would say keep an open mind and let the process play out. You may like the outcome whatever it is – then again you may not. That’s the definition of a fan!

    Then too remember, everything is subject to change. If the Bucs lose out and the Titans lose out, because of strength of schedule, the titans get the first pick and the Bucs would pick second. Mariota may be gone by the time we pick. Again, keep an open mind!

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      Dbuc63

      MAC- I reread your post as well as Jons and could not infer where he stated you are picking Winston. He simply is stating character flaws as an integral part of a players overall performance on the team. You make a solid argument for waiting and I agree completely. Even after all the dust settles however, it is still a crap shoot. I mean, come on, If anyone would have told me Mark Sanchez would be playing decent at QB this year I would have bet my house they were full of it. So many “other” variables play a integral part in a player excelling in the NFL. If I were going to pick a QB during the draft I would have something set up to test the QB intelligence not only in memorization but response times as well. You need some sort of mental component. How fast can they recognize the defense, how to expose what the defense is disguising at the line, what play you have that can expose the weakness of what the defense is going to do, etc..all in a couple seconds at the line. If a QB in the NFL today is going to be consistently good they have to be extremely smart in several facets of their game…Brady, Manning, Rogers..being mobile is a luxury not a requirement. That is a proven statement from two players above. Not sure any of these college qb’s have that mental component. I could be wrong as I am not a skilled professional talent observer. I hope they draft like last year when they picked Evans and Simms. They did BPA. Keep an open mind MAC, BPA means different things to different people…lol!

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    deeznuts

    I feel that we have to trade down a few spots if we get #1..it doesn’t matter what QB we put behind our O-line right now. We have to get the best offensive lineman in the draft. It would be a dagger to the heart if Doug Martin was gone by next season..GMC, Clayborn (WE ALWAYS HAVE DEPTH ISSUES AT DE; DO NOT LET HIM WALK IN FREE AGENCY), and Evans would be the only 1st round picks on the squad from the last 10-15 years.. There is no Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning #1 QB of the future in this draft. Draft for depth, best players available, and draft football players not “football playas”

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    niko521

    Those 2009 wins propelled the team to a 10-6 record in 2010. In 88 those wins turned into a good start to 89 . Almost every time the wins were worth more than the pick. Picks are not guaranteed…wins are. I’d like to see a no.1 draft pick too, but I’ll take 3 straight wins over a draft pick. Besides, the problem has been bad drafting, not the spot.

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    Retinadoc

    For those of you who think character doesn’t matter, think about the head coach. Lovie clearly values character. According to a 2013 report from Bucsnation.com, the Bucs have had 30 players arrested in the past fifteen years, good enough for fifth worst in the NFL. Think about some of the players that they drafted or signed with character issues. Aquib Talib, Jeramy Stevens, Tanard Jackson, Josh Freeman, LeGarrett Blount, Mike Williams, etc. These guys are more damaging to the organization than a good guy who is simply a bust as a player. And that’s just off the top of my head. It’s not the same as Warren Sapp, who slipped in the draft because he tested positive for marijuana at the combine. Winston has a series of well-documented off the field issues, not a single instance of doing something stupid. With the current climate in the NFL (see Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, and Greg Hardy), what do you think Roger Goodell will do to JW when he screws up, which is inevitable? JW won’t have the FSU administration, boosters, and Tallahassee cops to protect him anymore. I am all for second chances, but Winston feels entitled and like he can get away with anything. It will get even worse if he gets away with the current sexual abuse allegation with a slap on the wrist. How do think he is going to act when he gets more than 20 million in guaranteed money? I doubt it. Look, if Derrick Brooks, a fellow FSU alum would give his blessing and agree to mentor JW, I would consider it. Briefly. Otherwise, if the decision is between the two quarterbacks, and they are even close in the other phases of the evaluation process, why would the Bucs tie their future to a guy with multiple character issues over Mariotta, who by all accounts is the polar opposite? If they do, mark my words, they will regret it and the team will get what it deserves.

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    jrwilson85

    A QB like Mariota comes along once every 10 to 15 years. His OC says that Mariota can read the defenses faster than he can. The kid is smart, has a howitzer for an arm and most important he is a mature leader. If the Bucs can’t upgrade their O-line significantly next year, they would be best to redshirt Mariota until there is a line in front of him that can stop water. He is too valuable a player to get injured and a year’s development would help greatly. The other route is to spend the first 3 picks on O-line (LT, G, C) and try to pry Jerry Hughes away from Buffalo if they don’t franchise him. Glennon should be able to bring at least a 3rd or 4th round pick. A lot of teams like him or so we’ve been told. I guess it will come down to how much!!!

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    matador

    Winston is dumb. He’s a coach killa, the only reason you want us to draft him is to ensure Lovie never sees year 4 of his contract. Playing McCown is dumb. That’s $5 mil wasted next yr if we are foolish to keep a QB with no future over a QB who, PR’s “expert” conclusion about him (and other QB’s with a 0% hit rate so far) notwithstanding, could have enough talent to be a starter one day. Will he? We probably won’t know until a better franchise trades for him, coaches him, and gives him time to develop – things we still haven’t done thanks to our coach who is…

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    1. 33.1

      mjmoody

      appreciate your Winston comments. Too many INT’s and now Jimbo’s play calling is getting over ridden in the huddle. More immaturity. I’m curious about your McKowen comments…sure he’s been a major disappointment on the field. But, he has been praised for his work ethic/film study. When he was “injured” he was a strong supporter of Glennon almost to the point of being our QB’s coach. His 5mil plus Mariota’s rookie wage scale is a lot less than most teams have wrapped up in the QB position. Wouldn’t he be a good VET to help ease Mariota into the NFL? Also, hate to say it, but considering our Oline, we may need McKowen to start off the season for us. Maybe 5 games?

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        matador

        Good point about the total compensation not being excessive if we kept McCown. And the player-coach aspect is true, and probably results in us keeping McCown over Glennon. My concern is that, at this point in McCown’s career we know he isn’t capable of being a starter, but it’s at least possible that Glennon is. That becomes more important when you consider the % of high draft pick QB’s that fail. Put another way, if MM ends up disappointing, we would have a chance with Glennon vs none with McCown. But you raise good points and especially with all of the egg on Lovie’s face I’d expect us to keep McCown.

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    gunderss

    Absolutely agree 100% with this article. #SUCKFORTHEDUCK

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    niko521

    Its not Where you draft but WHO you draft. In 1989 the Bucs could have finished higher and taken Tony Mandarich too. They didn’t have to take Brodrick Thomas, they could have taken Trace armstrong, or steve atwater. In 2007 they didn’t have to take Gaines Adams, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch and Darrelle Revis were all there for the taking. Its not WHERE you draft, its WHO you draft. WIN, and let the draft take care of itself.

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      EastEndBoy

      @niko…it’s so true (I honestly agree), except for one situation…WHEN WHO you need is the top QB to come out since Andrew Luck, WHERE you need to draft is #1…otherwise, if WHO you need is a LB or an OL or a WR then you can have some ‘luck’ elsewhere…

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    scubog

    A lot of good comments and opinions. Having been a so called “Draftnick” since before it was a made for TV event with limited information on potential draftees; I can assure everyone it is no exact science when picking at the top. We’ve screwed it up many times. I agree with Horse in the sense that it matters more in who we pick than where we pick. Good players can be found throughout and disaster can be found where it is least expected. There are a lot of possible scenarios but we seem to want to focus on the Mariotta -Winston debate due to our desperation to acquire a star QB to lead us. I’m taking macabee’s approach and let the evaluation conclude before making a biased decision. Character is great. But questionable behavior doesn’t mean the guy can’t play. If he’s a drunk party boy who sexts his junk a la Bret Favre (a pretty good QB) or carouses with several women a la Joe Namath ( a pretty good QB) or imposes his will on a girl in a bar a la Big Ben (a pretty good QB) or is accused of drug use a la Dan Marino ( a pretty good QB) or a guy who snatches a few crab legs I think we’d be wise to at least do an in depth investigation before writing him off as many did of the aforementioned. Me, I’m anxious to see the Buccaneer Woes (Rose) Bowl where our main prospects will duel it out for the chance or misfortune of being a Buccaneer.

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      jongruden

      Scu- Your still just trying to justify and make excuses for Winston, ex. reminds me of my son doing something wrong then saying “well Billy did it too and Tommy did something worse so its ok” wrong is wrong period. Namath chasing women is not a flaw 80% of players are skirt chasers, Marino allegations was unfounded only a rumor, Farve partying in college, yeah thats wierd of atheletes to do so in COLLEGE, lol Big Ben is a punk your only good example , and no, I don’t want my pastor playing qb I just want good representaion of the team I cheer for is that so wrong?

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        macabee

        Jon,

        Would you draft this guy?

        http://www.inquisitr.com/1486872/peyton-manning-sex-scandal-largely-forgotten-even-with-a-witness/

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          jongruden

          Macabee- In the past you have enlightened us on some well thought out posts even made a huge fan in Scubog, these past few days you have stepped back wards, so your trying to compare Winston to Manning now? Some incident where Manning pulled his pants down in the trainers room during an examination? Since you disregard all the things Winston has done this yr and I mean multiple things, lets talk about his production what has he done this yr 24 tds and 17 ints? Compared to Mariota 34 tds and 2 int’s, not to mention Mariota had like 600-700 yds rushing this yr. Lets not take this argument to a level of stupidity, I know your more intelligent this silliness.

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            macabee

            Jon,

            We’re not grading me. We’re talking about QB’s and I’m not comparing Winston to Manning. Please answer the question. Would you draft Manning right out of college?

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    ABN

    What makes you think the Glazers care if the Bucs win or loose as long as hey make MONEY>

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    jongruden

    I stand corrected Mariota has 38 td’s and 2 int’s

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    jongruden

    In 3 yrs Mariota has 12 ints, this yr alone Winston has 17 int’s

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    wnb0395

    Cam Newton was just in a car accident and taken by ambulance to the hospital. His truck flipped over. We may win another game after all.

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      jongruden

      wnb0395- You do remember Derek Anderson beating us right?

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    jongruden

    Macabee- To ask me if I would have drafted Manning out of college is such a stupid question it doesn’t deserve the answer

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      macabee

      Jon,

      I’m going to leave this discussion alone for fear that you think I’m making it personal and I’m not. I said in one post that I liked you and I genuinely do.

      My first interaction with you goes back as far aswhether the Bucs should draft Aldon Smith and you’re the same Jon. At least you’re consistent and that in itself is admirable.

      I’ve achieved my aim here and that is to simply say that there is no room in sports for selective judgment. So I’m out! Spider Y Banana! lol

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    jongruden

    We are all Bucs Fans here and there isn’t a member here who I dislike or take anything they say personal. I do understand people use personal fan bias towards certain players and thats fine no matter what I say will change their mind nor see things differently. I don’t recall our convo on Aldon Smith but I know that yr I was a big fan of Ryan Kerrigan and hated the Adrian Clayborne selection then again I hated the Freeman pick, still remember arguing with Scu about not drafting Golden Tate over Arrelius Benn. I loved the Doug Martin and Lavonte David Draft too so far I’m on the money with my drafts, lol although I was a fan of drafting Mark Barron and thought Kuetchly was more of Barret Ruud type of player, oops

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    Horse

    jongruden, you may still be correct with Barron as he is playing good for the Rams with their scheme of Defense. As you know I am a huge FSU fan and I still try to be partial, but I’m not for drafting him because of exactly what you have said. The Bucs can’t afford to mess this draft up. The RDE, LOT, Center, are glaring needs.

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    scubog

    To tell you the truth JonnyG,. I’m not sure either QB is worthy of a high draft pick. But let me get it straight with you JonnyG. I keep trying to make the point only that we let the evaluation process conclude before writing off anyone, including Winston. I merely cited a few examples where certain QB’s were written off just a tad too quickly. Bottom line is that you keep trying to make me a Winston apologist and all I’m saying is that I’ve seen enough good things to warrant further inspection. Personally, I’d be hesitant to take him in the top 20. I’ve never said he was better than Mariotta because I haven’ seen the Duck. As for the Bucs’ past draft choices. I simply take the position that they know more than I do so I’m willing to let it play out before bemoaning the pick. I do like macabee’s posts. Like yours too…….even when they’re a little cynical.

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    surferdudes

    Picking a Q.B. with the first pick isn’t the gamble it used to be thanks to the new CBA. Right now I’m leaning towards Winston, but like Mac said, let the process play out. There doesn’t seem to be a player like Clowney last year most think should be the #1 overall pick. It’s a Q.B. league, and we don’t have one worth a darn, better get one. We’ll have the rest of the draft to address the O line. Some have stated Winston is dumb, maybe off the field. Fact is, he could’ve went to Stanford, and GPA is over 3. His football I.Q. is said to be high also.

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      wnb0395

      Surfedudes, QBs with high football IQ dont have a 24/17 TD/int ratio. They are smart, know how to read defense, and know when to and not to throw the ball. QBs with a high football IQ have a 38/2 TD/INT ratio.

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    Ir8Pir8

    There is zero chance Lovie drafts Winston. None. If Lovie was OK with self-absorbed, me-first, always-in-the-headlines-for-the-wrong-reasons guys, the Bucs would be fielding Johnny Manziel throwing to Mike Williams right now. Lovie has no patience for that kind of stuff. With all the domestic violence stuff going on in the league and the attention it is (rightfully) getting, do you really think Lovie (Tony Dungy 2.0) is going to draft an accused rapist? No chance. Our pick will be Mariota or a trade down.

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    cremdonado

    I am a Pasadena local and will be attending this years Rosebowl.I have not been big on us picking one of these two QBs,but we really are in a tough place and cant afford to let a good one slip thru our fingers again.I believe the whole of the Tampa Bay fanbase will have their eyes glued to the Rosebowl game as the two QBs will also be playing for the first selection in next years NFL draft…The Bucs need to pull a Colts on the rest of this season to make sure we dont miss that top spot.We either pick a QB or load up on picks~both are needed by this franchise…My money is on Mariota at this point~so the bucs need to tank it and play for the draft…

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    wnb0395

    I agree with East End Boy in its not where we draft but who we draft. There are great players all through out this draft we just gotta find them. I dont believe either QB is worthy of the #1 pick although I think Mariota is better then Winston by far. Since there isnt a clear cut Andrew Luck in this draft I hope we beat a Cam Newton less Carolina this week so we dont have to worry about either QB. Then maybe we can get the OT from Iowa Brandon Scherff. That boy is a beast. He is what our OL needs. http://youtu.be/TS9Hq4bdFY0

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    Buctebow

    Wherever they draft I hope they choose wisely (for once).

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    georgehicks

    Well Scott Reynolds I agree with you about don’t blowing this picks. Put McCoy and David on the 2014 shelf.It’s very Interested Scott. I think Tampa Bay stays at #1. I would trade down for NYJets #1 pick this year,Their #2 pick, A #1 pick in 2016 and a #4 pick. I believe that the QB Brett Hundley from UCLA or Connor Cook from Michigan State. Could served as a good QB with a future. I think either QB could be availabe in top of Round-1. Then Tampa bay with 4th or 5th pick selected best Pass Rusher or Offensive lineman available, I then would select with Jets 2nd Round pick the best Pass Rusher or Offensive Lineman. In Round Three I would select another Safety or CB. GO Bucs

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    georgehicks

    Well Scott here is another draft seniario. I would keep the #1 pick and have a chioce of either QB available. In Rd-2 I would select the Best player available left in Pass Rusher or Offensive Lineman. If Tampa trade QB Mike Glenn for a 3rd pick and they would select a LB with that pick. And with Tampa Bay pick I would select another Offensive Lineman that was available. Tampa bay has several additional picks in 2015 draft. Tampa bay will have some crash available. And Lovie Smith would have a better team in 2015 then what he started with.

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    DrT1066

    Doug Martin has had a piece of c**p line to run behind , and a similar passing game. Give him a decent line and passing game and he will be just fine.

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