In our current situation I think two is enough. Forget the record. Too much damage done by Freeman to try and base this on W/L. We could easily have another 2 or 3 wins if not for him. We could just as easily have another 2 or 3 losses if not for so many things falling just right for us in our wins. Just look at how we are playing. Same issues all season long. Stupid in-game coaching decisions, just like last year. Unwillingness to adapt to the talent we have. There is nothing developing on this team. No identity growing, no scheme slowly coming to life before our eyes. No flashes of potential dominance. Just stubborn old-school banging our heads against the wall. Rutgers has a vision of how ball is supposed to be played and he is going to play it that way no matter what. Unfortunately that vision was outdated around the same time as 8-track.I see a decent amount of talent on this team. And absolutely nothing from coaching that says they can or will turn that talent into legitimate play. The young guys can develop as much as they want and they still won't be used properly.
This is really it.1. Bad discipline2. Bad game planning3. Bad play calling4. Bad schemesI mean that is really about it for your HC's job description and Rugters does none of it well and has shown zero progression in any of those areas in 2 years. Not sure what black magic will make things better in year 3 other than the pure fact that most 4-12 teams win more games the following year and every 32nd ranked offense has finished better the next year - again that is just stats evening out over time not actual improvement.
Coach Schiano has a vision to pound the ball and take shots. He's rarely been able to do that, but, this year especially due to injuries at Oline, RB, and WR, + a rookie QB. Sure, injuries are going to happen, but the odds don't favor this amount of devastation next year or the next, especially on one side of the ball.From this fan's perspective, my goal is to see a Buc team avg 35 runs a game, 15 yds/ completion, and a top 5 defense. Championship. Call it 8-track football if you wish, lol, it will work.Anyway, do fans really want to become like so many other teams (ex. Raiders) who change coaches every two years? I vote for stability. Give him his 3rd year along with Glennon's 2nd, and if that fails, fine. Then you can go out and get your pass-happy offensive whiz coach, throw it 50 times a game, and keep drafting QB's in search of the next Manning. That's what the majority of other teams do. We'll join in the fun.
Coach Schiano has a vision to pound the ball and take shots. He's rarely been able to do that, but, this year especially due to injuries at Oline, RB, and WR, + a rookie QB. Sure, injuries are going to happen, but the odds don't favor this amount of devastation next year or the next, especially on one side of the ball.From this fan's perspective, my goal is to see a Buc team avg 35 runs a game, 15 yds/ completion, and a top 5 defense. Championship. Call it 8-track football if you wish, lol, it will work.Anyway, do fans really want to become like so many other teams (ex. Raiders) who change coaches every two years? I vote for stability. Give him his 3rd year along with Glennon's 2nd, and if that fails, fine. Then you can go out and get your pass-happy offensive whiz coach, throw it 50 times a game, and keep drafting QB's in search of the next Manning. That's what the majority of other teams do. We'll join in the fun.
Except no one is really asking for passing 50 times per game and no one in the NFL runs 35 times per game in the last 5 years so that's not even a realistic expectation. The problem is you won't ever run the ball around 30 times per game unless you can get ahead and run out the clock. Running that way requires an efficient, not 50 times per game passing, passing attack to score in the first half and then hand it over to the ground game in the second. Has Schiano shown you anything to believe he can do that consistently? The whole "shots deep" is a big hit or miss endeavor. Sure if we hit those big shots we might get ahead but when you miss? Well you are doomed. We need a better theory operating than that. I don't get this fetish with "stability". Stable means lack of change. Stable where we are now isn't a good thing.
dal, maybe folks are asking for 40 passes a game? That's still not what will help the Bucs win, imo. When I hear things like , "too conservative", "run, run, pass, punt", that just sounds to me like, "we run too much, we don't throw it nearly enough". As far as my goal (wish list) to see 35 runs a game, I think the average for the team who leads in rushing attempts from 2008 -2012 ( 5 years) is 35.4. If I'm wrong, then I'll be the first to appreciate the correction. Anyway, I believe it is an attainable goal for a hopefully run-first team.On the other hand, 15 yds/completion will be tough. The avg. for the team leading in yds/C for the same period is 13.5 But I still like 15 yds/C as a goal. It all goes hand in hand, running the ball (35 att), taking our shots (15 yds/C) and top 5 defense. It's a goal to shoot for. Just approaching these goals and we'll be challenging for the Lombardi. Just my opinion and the type of team I believe in.
dal, maybe folks are asking for 40 passes a game? That's still not what will help the Bucs win, imo. When I hear things like , "too conservative", "run, run, pass, punt", that just sounds to me like, "we run too much, we don't throw it nearly enough". As far as my goal (wish list) to see 35 runs a game, I think the average for the team who leads in rushing attempts from 2008 -2012 ( 5 years) is 35.4. If I'm wrong, then I'll be the first to appreciate the correction. Anyway, I believe it is an attainable goal for a hopefully run-first team.On the other hand, 15 yds/completion will be tough. The avg. for the team leading in yds/C for the same period is 13.5 But I still like 15 yds/C as a goal. It all goes hand in hand, running the ball (35 att), taking our shots (15 yds/C) and top 5 defense. It's a goal to shoot for. Just approaching these goals and we'll be challenging for the Lombardi. Just my opinion and the type of team I believe in.
Top rushing teams are right around 30 anymore. The figures got distorted over the last few years with the running QBs. We are too conservative. You can't pound people into the ground most of the time. My favorite offense of all time remains Dallas at the height of their Norv Turner led powers. Aikman was an awful fantasy QB for example despite being IMHO a truely great QB. As Rick Gosselin explained in his HOF case for Aikman, his passing stats in the first half were the equal of Marino or Elway. It the second half he didn't have to throw because his team was ahead the thing was the offense was efficient and effective in the first half. That ability to consistently score isn't really possible under the approach we are taking.
I am not sure I could take another turn over of the coaching staff, simply because, IMHO, it will be more of the same. New coaches, new philosophy, new players to fit the schemes, losing record for two/three years. This franchise needs stability and continuity, as do the fans. Believe it or not, I believe that a head coach should get 5 years in this win now league. I am sick of black mondays in the NFL, as a lot of good coaches get fired fixing the other regimes screw ups. The NFL is all about winning the Super Bowl and I get that, 'If you aren't first, you're last'. But at the end of the day, I want to see improvement in all three phases and a solid foundation being built for the long haul. I am a BIG sports fan, I have watched in all of pro sports franchises that are perennial .500 teams because of the turnover, always good but not great and sometimes really bad but never on the national sports map. I am not a Schiano apologist nor cheerleader but I am afraid the Bucs, if they do not develop a LONG term strategy and stick to it, will be stuck in the never-never land of sports.
You're not alone in this opinion. Some people who seek instant gratification tend to focus on the negatives and ignore the positives. Schiano is still learning about game management, and he still has adjustments to be made in his staff and in his roster, but he's made a huge impact on defensive weaknesses. The obvious issue now is offense and a DE to compliment McCoy. IMO Glennon has regressed in recent weeks, but the Bucs aren't losing to bad teams. From 0-8 to 4-2 is a sign of progress. Schiano and Dominik work well together in building a roster. The wins will come.
I'm with you guys...Although I don't think it takes 5 years to know whether you should go in a different coaching dirrection or not...to me it's 3 years (depending on circumstances of course), but after 3 years you should know what type of coach you have and whether they are an asset or not
In our current situation I think two is enough. Forget the record. Too much damage done by Freeman to try and base this on W/L. We could easily have another 2 or 3 wins if not for him. We could just as easily have another 2 or 3 losses if not for so many things falling just right for us in our wins. Just look at how we are playing. Same issues all season long. Stupid in-game coaching decisions, just like last year. Unwillingness to adapt to the talent we have. There is nothing developing on this team. No identity growing, no scheme slowly coming to life before our eyes. No flashes of potential dominance. Just stubborn old-school banging our heads against the wall. Rutgers has a vision of how ball is supposed to be played and he is going to play it that way no matter what. Unfortunately that vision was outdated around the same time as 8-track.I see a decent amount of talent on this team. And absolutely nothing from coaching that says they can or will turn that talent into legitimate play. The young guys can develop as much as they want and they still won't be used properly.
If you're talking offense, I'm with you...Schiano has made no secret that he wants a power run offense and I think we the fans underestimate the loss of Nicks and Joseph coming off a knee ...Our Oline just hasn't been good, hence the no identity on offense.I'm enjoying watching our YOUNG defense on Sundays...that side of the ball is well on its way to getting an identity. Schianos forte is defense, so he should get more credit for the defense than blame for the offense.I agree that there have been some questionable "calls" since he's arrived, but he's a first time NFL head coach so mistakes will happen, but that's how you learn and I believe he's the type of guy who will learn from his mistakes. This is why the 3 years is necessary before judging.
I don't see a defensive identity growing at all. I see a bunch of talented guys running an amateur scheme that brings them nowhere close to where they should be and never will. I see a lucky run o turnovers. I see a defense that can't get off the field because it is sloppy and the playcallingn is generally poor and predictable. I see a defense that is getting some limited results in spite of coaching rather than because of coaching. Give these,guys better coaching and they are set. But they will never hit their potential with the current regime.
