I think Lovie could probably get us 8 or 9 wins in a year or 2. Everyone will be happy for a bit then start **CENSORED**ing how we can't get in the play offs or lose our first game.
I agree here... not so much that I think Lovie will never beat 8/9 wins, or even take more than a year to do it... rather that this fan base has become seriously inpatient (EDIT: impatient, though both fit). When the Glazers look at HC I'm sure they'll look at the long term. That means what warts Lovie Smith has despite decent credentials and the right personality to make this defense nasty. For example he came across as Tony Dungy part two; Dungy is a Tampa legend but people soured on him after our offense stayed pathetic. It's partially the reason Lovie is available. Personally I think it's weird that the links to Smith are so fast and open. We all know one thing about the Glazers: Their compartmentalization would make the CIA proud when it comes to their searches. How in the hell did Smith's name get leaked as such a sure thing, along with "sources" laying out his staff makeup? Sounds like Agent leaks to me drumming up interest from a different/multiple teams. Maybe I'm wrong and the Glazers have changed... but probably not.
Excellent point.
Maybe a guy like David Shaw. He said he's staying at Stanford, and you probably don't believe he'd come here, but if the money were right maybe he would. I'd try. I'd narrow it down to a few guys that have proven themselves and I would feel comfortable giving the keys for the next 6 or 7 years, then I'd to what it took to get them. You know, the way big boy franchises like Pittsburgh and New England do it. To me, Lovie Smith is a stop-gap caliber coach. The fact that he "led Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl appearance" ignores the fact that there was a ton of talent on that team, enough to compensate for their QB who actually had pretty good stats that year.
Grossman had pretty good stats that year? I'm pretty sure that he got injured early in the season and Kyle Orton started 12 games or so. Plus they had an awesome defense and Devin Hester in his prime. If Lovie Smith can't find the next amazing offensive coordinator, then he won't win here. Kyle Shanahan or Chudzinski might be good hires... not interested in Tedford at all. We would also need a DC, and I'm not interested in Rod Marinelli at this point. Jerry Angelo can also stay on the unemployment line.... this is the guy that refused to pay Matt Forte... the year after he was 60% of the Bear's offense.
You might be right. I'm strictly going by memory, but I do recall that Grossman's play was pretty decent for a year or two before he fell off a cliff. In the end I think he was undone by some pretty lousy work habits, if my faltering memory serves me correctly.
Lovie is a solid NFL HC. Many are forgetting that, even his last year with the Bears, after which he was fired, he went 10-6. I don't know about you, but I'll take that for now! Also, I think Lovie has learned his lesson, especially since he had the entire 2013 season as an observer to KNOW how important it will be to have a good offense.Don't forget, Bellichek was fired for not "getting it done" too before he became the Patriots HC.....and he didn't go 10-6 his last year with them. Not saying Lovie is Bellichek 2, just that a HC CAN learn...and I believe Lovie has.As Runole said in another post......stay tuned...
Lovie is a solid NFL HC. Many are forgetting that, even his last year with the Bears, after which he was fired, he went 10-6. I don't know about you, but I'll take that for now! Also, I think Lovie has learned his lesson, especially since he had the entire 2013 season as an observer to KNOW how important it will be to have a good offense.Don't forget, Bellichek was fired for not "getting it done" too before he became the Patriots HC.....and he didn't go 10-6 his last year with them. Not saying Lovie is Bellichek 2, just that a HC CAN learn...and I believe Lovie has.
The part in bold is obviously true and yet it escapes the reasoning for many on these boards. Players and coaches are often referred to as static, as if their past efforts are the sum total of their reasonably expected future efforts. Obviously players and coaches evolve. The trick is not only finding a good coach or player, but also having good (some might say lucky) timing
Lovie is a solid NFL HC. Many are forgetting that, even his last year with the Bears, after which he was fired, he went 10-6. I don't know about you, but I'll take that for now! Also, I think Lovie has learned his lesson, especially since he had the entire 2013 season as an observer to KNOW how important it will be to have a good offense.Don't forget, Bellichek was fired for not "getting it done" too before he became the Patriots HC.....and he didn't go 10-6 his last year with them. Not saying Lovie is Bellichek 2, just that a HC CAN learn...and I believe Lovie has.As Runole said in another post......stay tuned...
I agree on the possibility Smith matured a great deal while sitting on the sidelines for a season.
Lovie is a solid NFL HC. Many are forgetting that, even his last year with the Bears, after which he was fired, he went 10-6. I don't know about you, but I'll take that for now! Also, I think Lovie has learned his lesson, especially since he had the entire 2013 season as an observer to KNOW how important it will be to have a good offense.Don't forget, Bellichek was fired for not "getting it done" too before he became the Patriots HC.....and he didn't go 10-6 his last year with them. Not saying Lovie is Bellichek 2, just that a HC CAN learn...and I believe Lovie has.
The part in bold is obviously true and yet it escapes the reasoning for many on these boards. Players and coaches are often referred to as static, as if their past efforts are the sum total of their reasonably expected future efforts. Obviously players and coaches evolve. The trick is not only finding a good coach or player, but also having good (some might say lucky) timing
Just to play the opposite side - frequently it seems that by the time you get to be a head coach (and have a few years at it), you know who you are. Just stirring the pot here, but I wonder if head coaches really change much at all (other than their schemes) and rather the difference in the success of retreads is purely if they find a franchise QB.
Tom Coghlin certainly changed, and it appears thar Schiano,did too, only too late.
Tom Coghlin certainly changed, and it appears thar Schiano,did too, only too late.
Love the hire of Smith and it was time for the Bucs to release Schiano but I do believe he did some really good things after the mess that he inherited from Tweedle Rah and Tweedle Dumb( nice guy but really not a GM). The biggest problem the Bucs have is a media that tends to consistently ride the stupid train and play an adversarial role with the organization if they don't consistently give them Carte Blanche when it comes to access to the team. Media today is no longer giving responsible journalism. They all seem to have an agenda where objectivity is thrown out the window and replaced with a TMZ attitude filled with smarmy remarks like A-hole Fennelly, Cummings Dumbeg and other talking heads that occupy the local TV stations. Hopefully, they allow Smith and company to do their thing without questioning every move the franchise makes.Demonizing the Glazers is not a productive exercise as over the last 2 years they certainly have opened their wallets. I like the thoughts on the original article which make logical sense.. To those against the hiring and moves being made I see little reasoning behind their suggested alternatives for the hiring someone else.I still think the statement "THOSE THAT LISTEN TO THE FANS WILL SOON BE IN THE STANDS WITH THEM" is more relevant than ever today.I think part of it actually has to do with fantasy football where the individual has more value than the team. There are a couple of QB's in the draft that would be worth taking but I am fairly certain they will be gone. I hope the Bucs get a veteran QB because Glennon isn't the answer. I am excited by the latest moves by the organization.
Schiano left the team in much better condition than he found it in. He did not leave it in as good a condition as he could have though.The trade for Revis, pouring resources into safety, letting Bennett walk, cutting Talib, Blount, these things and others were big mistakes.The right call was made firing him. ANd for at least a while the media vultures will shut the hell up as the fan base will not be receptive of their typical BS act on Lovie at this point in time. They'll wait until he seems to slip up and stick the knives in then.
Surprised anyone still thinks getting rid of Blount/Talib was a mistake. I agree with the rest, but those two seem to be absolutely the right decisions.
Schiano left the team in much better condition than he found it in. He did not leave it in as good a condition as he could have though.The trade for Revis, pouring resources into safety, letting Bennett walk, cutting Talib, Blount, these things and others were big mistakes.The right call was made firing him. ANd for at least a while the media vultures will shut the hell up as the fan base will not be receptive of their typical BS act on Lovie at this point in time. They'll wait until he seems to slip up and stick the knives in then.
That's so true, the part about the media waiting to stick the knives in. Negativity sells and the media seems to, hell, DOES invest in it. Billboards the constant personal bashing on the radio, columnists, etc. But like I typed, it sells and in the end it's all about money. Runole mentioned the quote "THOSE THAT LISTEN TO THE FANS WILL SOON BE IN THE STANDS WITH THEM" and it's true.......unless you're an owner. Then you're about selling seats obviously.Today it looks good though, for now there is peace in the Bay. NFL.........(nope, not the National Football League LOL)
Surprised anyone still thinks getting rid of Blount/Talib was a mistake. I agree with the rest, but those two seem to be absolutely the right decisions.
I was all about getting Talib out of here, but in retrospect it looks pretty stupid. NE hasn't had a problem with him for a while now. Blount I never wanted gone and haven't changed my mind. He isn't particularly special, but he would have been worth keeping around.
Surprised anyone still thinks getting rid of Blount/Talib was a mistake. I agree with the rest, but those two seem to be absolutely the right decisions.
After seeing what those guys are doing now my guess is that it took a change of scenery, another no nonsense coach and the realization that this might be Talib's last chance to play with a potential winning team. Next stop? Jacksonville or Cleveland. Blount was rumored to be slow about grasping the playbook. Couple that with running behind our then offensive line and a young faster back gunning for your job maybe he saw the writing on the wall. You gotta admit he does only runs a limited amount of plays. But, he's also running behind a better offensive line than he had here.
I cant understand the thought process that looks at Talib and Blount NOW and concludes their play NOW (essentially a last chance for both playing for a unique coach and club) equals cutting ties THEN was an error. That thinking is so flawed its hard to digest. The Oakland Raiders should have kept Randy oss because of the way he played in NE?
First of all, neither Talibnor Blount were "cut", they were TRADED. Secondly, EVERONE seemed to be glad when Taliban was traded. More rhan a few on this board couldn't understand the Bucs not using him but finally came the conclusion that if Blount WASN'T going to be used it was better to get something for him at least. I was in that crowd.
