Offensive Coordinator Jeff TedfordBy 3rd String Kicker
I don't watch a lot of teams on the west coast, so when I heard we were bringing in a coach from college football, my eyebrow raised. Jeff Tedford, the former California University coach has built himself quite a resume over the past two decades. He's groomed several 1st round draft pick quarterbacks, earning him the moniker, QB Guru. Think Smith, Carr, Harrington, Boller, Dilfer, Rodgers. Maybe they all didn't pan out, but he had a way to build around his guys and bring out their best qualities. Maybe none of them had noodle arms, but they were all in their own right, very different players. I took it upon myself, over the past few days to skip watching most of the bowl games and just watch some California games to see what it was we 'might' be doing. I can't promise these numbers are exact, they are more approximations. Some things are hard to take into account when I'm, sitting at home eating a hot pocket and the guys who actually know what's going on are calling the shots on the field.
Play Call TendenciesHis play-calling is alien to me. Jeff likes to spread the field and run some finesse plays. His offense does feature a lot of screens and outside runs, so the offensive line is going to need to be quick. I fear our line, as it is currently built, may be a liability under the new scheme and I expect we will target some new lineman, in either or perhaps both the draft and free agency. I expect that Demar Dotson should do well with this offense. This new offense won't feature as much carries for Doug Martin, but he'll still see a lot of touches. He may be used similarly to how Matt Forte was used in Chicago, but I'm not saying that because Lovie is the head coach now. It just seems Tedford features his backs in the passing game. I am on record now and since he was drafted, of being a fan of Erik Lorig. He's a quality fullback, but looking at this offense, I don't feel confident he will be a part of it. It looks like Jeff likes to use his fullback quite a bit in the passing game and I haven't seen enough progress from Erik the past few seasons in the passing game to give me the confidence he'll do well under the new scheme. I would like to see the team keep Erik, which looks to potentially be void of power personnel, but he may be on the bubble if the team feels they can find someone who provides a better fit.Something I thought was interesting was the layout of the formations, specifically out of the gun. He'll throw 3 or 4 receivers on one side and overload it quite a bit. I saw a little bit of the pistol formation, but I don't expect to see it in the professional league. Also, he'd feature shotgun with two backs to the quarterbacks side very frequently, sometimes both backs on the same side as opposed to being on each side of the quarterback. His offense seems to have some wrinkles that could fit well for an H-back type of player.Playaction
The playfakes always seem variable on how the opposing teams respect the back. With a Marshawn Lynch, a defense would stay home for example. Sully did a great job utilizing play fakes in Tampa, I think this is going to get scaled back in Tedford's offense. This is one where the jury is out if this will be positive or not. If you play fake all the time, it is less effective. If you don't do it enough, you may find yourself on the wrong end of a third and long and also at the bottom of the league for 20+ yard plays.Audibles
This one is a bit harder to decipher. I basically looked for moments where the quarterback looked over to the sideline and made a drastic change to the play. In about 6% of the plays, I could see the quarterbacks checking with Tedford to see what needed to be adjusted. Professionally, I would expect that Mike is going to make these adjustments on the field and not look over to Tedford. Another reason why this is important to note, is the overall temp of the game. In Tedford's offense, I frequently saw them approaching the LOS with about 15-20 seconds, which is plenty of time to make pre-snap reads and get the ball off. In Sullivan's offense, it was much more down-tempo, the team would get to the line. I hope to see less delay of game penalties with this new offense, it looks that way based on what I've seen.Motion
I really like seeing an offense utilize motion, perhaps I was spoiled as a fan under Jon Gruden. Putting a receiver in motion can do a number of things and create matchup advantages for an offense. I watch teams like Green Bay and New Orleans utilize this appropriately and it works great. The concept, by putting a receiver in motion you hope to see a defender trailing the motion man. This identifies, generally, a man coverage defense. If no defender is trailing, this lets the quarterback know there may be a zone defense. You also create the opportunity to give a receiver momentum or catch a defense off-balance for a finesse run to the outside. Under Sullivan, I would see Vincent Jackson do a slight motion inside frequently. He generally wouldn't go across the field, so a defender, even in man-coverage could mask that he may giving a zone look because he could tell Vincent was not crossing. This made Glennon's reads presumably more difficult. I think Tedford, being a QB guru will utilize a little more motion than Sully did. In my samples, I didn't see Tedford utilizing motion on his runs but maybe once, a good defense may pick up on that if it becomes a habit and tip their hat to a potential pass play. He needs to be consistent and balanced with plays utilizing motion, unless of course motion isn't by design, in which case, I hope Mike or whomever is our signal caller, is taught to use it more effectively.Personnel Grouping31% - 1125% - 2018% - 2113% - 105% - 124% - 004% - 01So what does this all mean? Well, basically what it means is that Tedford, at least in college chose not to run a power offense, taking note of the lack of three tight end packages. I would not rule out him using 3 tight ends in a formation professionally, but I think it may be scarce, whereas we were more accustomed to this with Sullivan. To Tedford, having a fullback out there was a power formation. I expect the Buccaneers to carry 3 tight ends under Tedford, as opposed to 4 as some teams have in the past. Generally, he runs an empty set when his team is trailing, in my samples, I didn't see much of this early on. The goal packages I was viewing featured two backs and one tight end or two backs and three wide.The Quarterback PositionIt's funny, I supported the team drafting Mike Glennon and wished we would get him last season. Now that we have him, I find that I'm concerned he may not be the #1 guy. Still, it is important to note some things when you look at Glennon and how he may work under the new system. Tedford has coached a lot of quarterbacks. Look at the names: Akili Smith, Trent Dilfer, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller, Aaron Rodgers. A bunch of quarterbacks with howitzers for arms. When you look at it, it becomes clear, arm strength is a quality that Tedford is very high on. Even less successful quarterbacks in his systems could put the ball down the field well. This is something Glennon can definitely do. A lot of these guys have a little more than just functional mobility, which is where some concerns may come in for Mike. In watching his offense, I see a lot of sprintouts and rollouts, and I just dont see Glennon making enough throws on the move to be the total package Jeff may be looking for. The biggest quality Tedford is going to look for is football IQ. He needs a quarterback who will dedicate himself to the team, study the playbook, and put the time in. Fortunately for him, Josh Freeman is not his team's starting quarterback. I think Mike Glennon is a student of the game and this very well may be his highest quality. Word is, Jeff's playbook is quite massive and he is going to want a guy who can recite it to him in alphabetical order.The team may choose to draft a quarterback, and looking at a guy that everyone is excited about, Johnny Manziel, I just don't see a perfect marriage. Johnny can put the football down the field, but I don't see the firepower I've seen from his previous marriages. The mobility is awesome and would do well, but another concern would be how Manziel's head would be in the game. If you're investing a pick in the top 10 on a quarterback, having one out of three probably isn't going to cut it. Teddy Bridgewater would be perfect, if he could fall to the Buccaneers or we traded up, but that is highly unlikely unless Beatles123 can spread a rumor that he is shooting up heroin. If Derek Carr falls to round 2, and the team hasn't made a move, I would expect the Buccaneers would take a good long look at him. Tedford had success with his brother previously. I don't like a fit with A.J. McCarron, he's a good prospect but I just don't see him doing well in this offense. One guy I've been keeping an eye on, is Blake Bortles. If he is available, the team may go after him for his physical skill set. My concern, is his football IQ and I'm sure Tedford and the team's scouts will interview him to get to know him better. Some of the turnovers I see are bad, really bad.If it were me, making the call today. The safe move in my eyes, would be to stick with Glennon and build the trenches with the first pick. The best fit for this offense via the draft would be to either trade up and get Bridgewater or wait in hopes that Bortles will be there. The combine hasn't occurred yet, so I expect some players will rise and fall, but Bortles shouldn't have any problems with the combine. I like Johnny Football as much as anyone, and I'll cheer if he's the guy at #7, but I just think Johnny is going to do what Johnny is going to do, regardless of what offense he goes to and the track record for these kind of players isn't particularly high. He would certainly sell some jerseys and put fans in the seats though. The biggest element to the draft is the one we may never see, how the player interviews. I look forward to watching, if for only a minute, Gruden's short interviews with the prospects. I also wouldn't rule out an offensive lineman in round 1. We've invested a lot of money in our offensive line over the past five seasons, but an argument can be made that it has amounted to nothing but dead cap space. I know, you're probably thinking, yuck, an offensive lineman. Truth be told, the performance of this line is really going to be put to the test this season and that if we roll with the dice we've got, we might be picking high again.
Penny for your thoughts... Not Really... I'm broke... give them to me for free thoughWould you stick with Glennon or draft new blood at the position?Is Erik Lorig a Buccaneer in 2014?What personnel would you carry into 2014 in terms of how many RBs,FBs,TEs?What are your concerns about our offensive line, giving this style of play?Thoughts on the lack of power personnel packages?
Sincerely,Curt (3sk)
Great post 3sk. That's really awesome to read.The one thing that makes me leary about Tedford is his "massive" playbook. Every interview I've see with former players suggests it was too big for them and that doesn't bode well for his ability to adapt. A great coach would recognize that the playbook in college was too large and scale it down. So that definitely concerns me more than anything. 1) I would look to draft a QB, but you raised the one issue I'm uncertain about - IQ. It seems based on Tedford's playbook, we'll need a very smart QB so without having a handle yet on how smart the QB draft is, we may stick with Glennon.2) You have to keep Lorig. Our running game has relied on him, and even though we're likely going away from the power running game, he plays specials so I'm not jettisonning him yet. If we can't transform the OL fast enough, we may need to keep some power elements in there and that means Lorig.3) Well the team currently has 4 RBs (incl. 1 hybrid), 2 FB, and 2 TEs. I think you're right that the team may move away from the FB to an Hback. To me, that means keeping Lorig and maybe Lonnie Pryor (or someone else that is an FB/RB hybrid) as potential Hs. So lets say two "FBs", 4 RBs (prob. Martin, James, Rainey, rookie), and 3 TEs (prob. Wright, Crabtree, rookie). 4) A lot? Actually, as the Bears demonstrated by taking probably last year's worst offensive line and making it productive - a change in style of OL play may not be that insurmountable given how bad our line seems to be. You could very well only keep Zuttah and Dotson heading into next year, so any changes might be easier to accomplish than trying to turn Joseph into less of a power guard. We'll have to be very active in FA though.5) Aside from the OL, we really lack the personnel not to run a power O. Although, to be honest we lack the personnel even to do that... I'm totally speculating here because I haven't seen much of Tedford's offence, but going off your and other's analysis, the offense may suit Wright but I'm not sure if two receivers in the Jackson/Williams mold is ideal. So hard to say.
Nice read!! Thanks for asking us to interact and throw opinions your way.1) Tedford's massive playbook, to me, shows creativity. Something I did not see from Sullivan. Having the reputation as a QB Guru tells me, although a smart QB is needed, Tedford knows at what pace to feed the QB. Additionally, Pro QBs don't have accounting and Law classes, so learning a playbook is paramount in their careers. I'm not sure who we have at QB on the practice squad. But I would suggest drafting a QB to challenge/push Glennon and to get the drafted QB groomed early.2) I actually like Eric Lorig. And, I have seen him catch balls on screen plays and just raw coming out of the backfield. Screens and fullback hitch plays were sorely lacking from Sullivan's play calling. I say Lorig stays and gets used in more creative ways. Tedford is the coach to do this.3). We have some pretty productive guys at the H-back position. I'm happy and sad about that situation. Happy because the run game was exciting to watch for a while although our guys were dropping like flies. Sad because I think we may not carry them all.4). I may be wrong but, the only joy I got out of the TE position was watching Tim Wright step up and into the spotlight. I missed a lot of his blocking prowess but he was tremendous in pass catching for TDs. The rest of the TE corp were much too fragile and I think our ground game may have suffered because of that.5). Based on what I have been reading here and other places about a Tedford offensive design I would say our offensive line is about to catch hell. Why? Because there will be a ton of different blocking schemes and a lot of them will entail quick movement coupled with a road grading mentality. Penn, for one, may be looking to drop some serious pounds and work on his footwork. I say this because Glennon got sacked too much, from the blind side, last season. We may need to draft an offensive lineman even if Nicks does return.All in all, I am stoked about the change and am looking forward to the upcoming season. Normally my Wife and I go through Buccaneers withdrawal when the season ends. This time, with the new seasoned regime coming on board, we'll have upbeat topics to kick around while we wet hooks and drown bait. Go Bucs!!!
Nice.1) I wouldn't move up. I'm letting the draft fall to me and seeing what comes my way. Ideally I'm trading down because I want to completely gut the interior of my OL. Absolutely will never pick Bortles because JDouble will become even more insufferable than ever if I do.2) Lorig depends on the other guys. I think Leonard is gone but Martin, James, and Rainey are all likely to stay. If Tedford doesn't use FBs like you say he could be a casualty. Especially if Demps gets kept, as that is an odd roster spot.3) I'm thinking that Martin, James, Rainey are staying as RB obviously. Wright will come back as a TE, probably with instructions to beef up. Demps is in unique spot that I think will come from here rather than WR if he is even here next year. I don't know that anyone else is really worth keeping. Lorig may just not fit.4) OL needs to be gutted. Dotson can stay. Penn probably will stay unless we draft someone at 7 because that spot isn't easy to fix and even with his play tailing off especially late, we could do worse -- he will probably be replaced in another year. Especially because the interior needs full replacement. We need to accept Nicks' career is over. Davin should just be cut. Zoot should be a backup swing C/G, not a starter. A whole new look would fit us there.5) Power packages as in 22? I'm sure we will end up seeing those as they are definitely situationally useful at the very least, but I think they are generally rarely used other than situationally outside of SF. 21 packages seem to be pretty much right in line, actually a bit more than league average. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/10/03/offensive-packages/
wow great stuff 3SK. We do have a FB named Lonnie Pryor that fits more to what you are saying. Great stuff. One thing i distinctly remembered about Tedford's offense is the screen game for the HB. Ive always been so jealous of other teams ability to do this. One lineman that could be a huge target is Alex Mack. If he hits FA could be the one that Tedford and Lovie are camping out on. Or maybe Lovie will be at Hardy's house and Tedford will be at Mack's lol
The team could always cut ties with one of both Nicks and Joseph while targeting Mack and slide Zuttah over to one of the G spots as he is more mobile...if it was me I would cut ties with Penn, Nicks and Joseph...I would target C Alex Mack, OT Jared Veldheer and G Jon Asamoah and finally would slide Zuttah over to RG...the starting offensive line would be...Veldheer ...Asamoah...Mack...Zuttah...Dotson
The team could always cut ties with one of both Nicks and Joseph while targeting Mack and slide Zuttah over to one of the G spots as he is more mobile...
From the sounds of it Nicks is done. There is nerve damage. Davin is likely gone. If Penn could pull his head out his rear he has the athleticism.
The team could always cut ties with one of both Nicks and Joseph while targeting Mack and slide Zuttah over to one of the G spots as he is more mobile...
From the sounds of it Nicks is done. There is nerve damage. Davin is likely gone. If Penn could pull his head out his rear he has the athleticism.
Per the latest Fab 5, Bucs were going to cut Penn. Obviously whole new staff but overall doesn't bode well for how Penn looked on tape.
I have been looking over the 2004 Cal Bears playbook and the word that comes to behind is "voluminous"...the screen game portion of the playbook is 30 pages alone...play action is 32 pages and there are nearly 40 pages on strictly blocking assignments...in all the playbook is 224 pages...The thing that really jumps out at you is the attention to detail that was taken to account for any possible defense scenario or situation. The other subtlety is the verbiage and the amount of detail and knowledge the quarterback needs to have or his refinement of and true understanding of what the offense is doing to succeed. In the past we have seen the center make protection calls in other offenses...but with Tedford that falls on the shoulders of the QB...based on what I have read in the playbook the three top qualities a QB "must" possess to flourish in Tedfords system is a very high football IQ, a strong arm and good arm talent (the proper touch to put arc and velocity in order to place throws in spots between and in relation to defenders).The one thing that we have all heard and read and to some extent have seen from Glennon is that he has a very high football IQ, a strong arm and has good to above average arm talent which fits with what Tedford presumably looks for in his quarterbacks...Now I am not saying Glennon is his guy but on the surface if Tedford deems him to be a viable option the team might not draft a QB high but could look for an experienced heady veteran signal caller or a mid round prospect like Eastern Illinois' Jimmy Garoppolo.
The team could always cut ties with one of both Nicks and Joseph while targeting Mack and slide Zuttah over to one of the G spots as he is more mobile...
From the sounds of it Nicks is done. There is nerve damage. Davin is likely gone. If Penn could pull his head out his rear he has the athleticism.
He might have it in training camp but by the end of the year it is the same fat slow Penn. frankly, sliding him into guard or at least flipping him to right tackle might be the best move.
Dal, I think that's just what should be done with Penn; either RT or LG preferably
Tedford's offenses at Cal often rivaled Oregon as far as explosiveness. It is diverse and can beat defenses either through the air or on the ground. I hear he has a 3rd down package that takes in account just about every situation that comes about. Dilfer raves about Tedford and says his system will be absolutely successful. I think someone mentioned this earlier but look out for Pryor; he is a fantastic football player with a lot of versatility. He really seems to fit Tedford's offense. Thought the Bucs should've drafted him but however they got glad they did. I think Lovie may have hit a homerun with Tedford of course any system depends on the play of the QB.I think Penn has to lose a lot of weight and keep it off, 340 is too big for him. He really needs to be at 310 to 320; if not, he needs to be let go but i think the new staff will really ask him to slim down. He will put in the work and do it, he is under the microscope and may lose money. I don't like Zuttah at guard; he struggled there; also, if Joseph isn't a fit, just release him; he has a large cap number anyways and is coming off major knee surgery. The cap savings may be needed besides sounded too much like a Schiano guy to me anyway. He and Nicks should be cap casualties.I think more speed at WR is definitely needed and I wouldn't be surprised if that #7 pick turns into something the low teens and they grab either Watkins or Lee. I guess it just depends on how much they like Bridgewater or the other highly rated QBs since the Texans owner has already stated that the team is not opposed to trading out of that posiition. Really wish Brett Hundley came out and dropped to the 2nd round; he would be perfect for the Bucs at that position. A couple of sleepers I like are Morris from Miami and Price from Washington. The question is does Tedford see anything in them; does he think he can make them into a good QB. I just don't see Glennon as the Bucs QB of the future. I think they will bring in a veteran and draft another guy. Some veteran guys I think the Bucs should look at are Hoyer, Campbell, Cousins and even Ponder who is interesting; it is said that he has a very high IQ but his arm strength and untimely TOs are a question mark although he started to play better down the stretch.
The team could always cut ties with one of both Nicks and Joseph while targeting Mack and slide Zuttah over to one of the G spots as he is more mobile...if it was me I would cut ties with Penn, Nicks and Joseph...I would target C Alex Mack, OT Jared Veldheer and G Jon Asamoah and finally would slide Zuttah over to RG...the starting offensive line would be...Veldheer ...Asamoah...Mack...Zuttah...Dotson
Mack? Stud.Asamoah? Yes please, but he's a RG, not LG.Veldheer? He'd be a solid signing, but I'm not sure Oakland will let him walk.If Nicks is 80% he's still a helluva football player. I'm not ready to completely count him out, at least while he's still on the team.
Dal, I think that's just what should be done with Penn; either RT or LG preferably
Not sure Penn has the strength and footwork to play Guard. Very different than tackle. I couldn't find an article, but I read a few years back an interview with an NFL lineman who was moved to guard from tackle and he said it was a whole different ballgame. You're more protected, but are required to do very different things.Can you picture Penn pulling? Blowing out a defensive tackle? I have trouble seeing it.
Can you picture Penn pulling?
Penn pulls all of the time as a Tackle. He's gotten a lot better at it, believe it or not.