given all the craziness with regards the lack of talent out on offense (combination of injury and neglect by Dominik), lack of reps in the off season, and a coaching staff unable to adapt it is a wonder that a rookie QB could pass for 2500+ passing yards, 19 TDs, and complete almost 60% of his passes in 13 games started.
Except that puts the Bucs dead last in offense including passing offense. Only two teams were not able to average 300 plus yards per game this season. The Bucs were one team and the Jaguars were the other. The Jaguars missed the mark by two or 3 yards per game. The Bucs were at 277 per game. I do not think it is all Glennon's fault but the production we are getting at the position is not good enough. And for all the money spent on the defense, they gave up 5 points less than last year. It is hard to go 4-12 with a plus 10 in the turnover margin but the Bucs managed to do it.
given all the craziness with regards the lack of talent out on offense (combination of injury and neglect by Dominik), lack of reps in the off season, and a coaching staff unable to adapt it is a wonder that a rookie QB could pass for 2500+ passing yards, 19 TDs, and complete almost 60% of his passes in 13 games started.
Let's also not oversell. It isn't a miracle/wonder to get to the stats he did. Those aren't great stats in the modern era. We don't have great players but there are likely 20+ QB's who could have done more with the same wreck of personnel. I want to see him in play next year, I see things that make me think he can be a starter and a quality one but I am not sold and the overall results were not good.
Why does every criticism of his stats always neglect that he is a rookie?
So was Russell Wilson and he was a third round pick too. Colin Kaepernick. was a rookie too and frankly the Niners WR are not as good as the Bucs. I c ould also Mention higher picks like Luck and RG3. Even as bad as Josh Freeman was as a rookie he beat Aaron Rodgers in his first start and had wins in Seattle and the Super Bowl champs the Saints. His WRs were Michael Clayton, Sammie Stroughter and Maurice Stovall who collective did not put up the yards that VJ put up this year. Glennon was dead last in passing offense which is not going to cut it today. He is at his best throwing 20-25 passes. When he throws more than that, The Bucs lose.Plus Sullivan and Schiano appear to know nothing about running a WCO. The whole franchise needs to be blown up as far as the GM and the coaching staff.Plus more experience does not mean you get better. Defenses adjust. the more film they get on the player. Josh was great in 2010. In 2011 defenses adjusted. He was pretty good in 2012 under the new Schiano/Sullivan scheme. Last year offense was 9th in the NFL in yardage and 13th in scoring. By 2013, defenses adjusted. This year the offense was dead last in yardage and 30th in scoring. Except for the Falcons, this team could not score than 7 points in the second half. That is not all Glennon's fault but he has not proven he can handle the franchise. Take a look at our 4 wins. Only the Falcons game was what I call an acceptable offense. He is a quality backup but you can throw for the type of yardage he does unless you have both a dominant defense and a dominant run game. The Bucs have neither a dominant run game nor a dominant defense unless we can play Buffalo every week at home.
The concept of "rookie QB" is vastly overrated. These kids have been playing in all-star camps, spring ball, etc since they were 12. The rookie has significantly more hours of conditioning, throwing and watching tape under their belt than players of even 10 years ago because of the massive influx of money into college football thanks to TV deals. It's hard to see Glennon being anything more than a game manager, which puts him in the category of QB's that would need a top notch defense and solid running game to succeed.
So was Russell Wilson and he was a third round pick too. Colin Kaepernick. was a rookie too and frankly the Niners WR are not as good as the Bucs. I c ould also Mention higher picks like Luck and RG3. Even as bad as Josh Freeman was as a rookie he beat Aaron Rodgers in his first start and had wins in Seattle and the Super Bowl champs the Saints. His WRs were Michael Clayton, Sammie Stroughter and Maurice Stovall who collective did not put up the yards that VJ put up this year. Glennon was dead last in passing offense which is not going to cut it today. He is at his best throwing 20-25 passes. When he throws more than that, The Bucs lose.
Kaep wasn't a rookie last year, he was a second year player. Luck frankly didn't have a great rookie year - accuracy was poor and he tossed a lot of INT's. He had a ton of yards but also threw 627 times which is gonna be about 250 times more than Glennon did. Freeman was awful as a rookie as well not even sure where anyone gets that he wasn't. RG3 and Wilson are your statisitically good rookies in the last few years until you get back to Roth who didn't throw much at all and was a total game manager as a rookie.Glennon didn't have a good year but he had good moments and that should keep people interested in seeing if we can expand on the good and minimize the bad.
Why does every criticism of his stats always neglect that he is a rookie?
because players dont learn ;) Glennon is now what he would always be ;)
Luck threw for 4,600 yards and took a 2-14 team to a 11-5 record, His pass completion percentage was low because the Colts threw more deep passes than any team in the NFL. That was their game last season. Freeman who had a slightly higher percentage than Luck in 2012 also threw deep a lot. Both players went over 4,000 yards which is what you have to do when your defenses suck. Russell Wilson barely threw the ball last year especially in the first 5 or 6 games. He could do that because of Seattle's run game and stout defense. When he did throw. it was high percentage passes off of play action.
Glennon had more td passes than any other rookie even though he started just the 13 games and didn't have many in-camp reps. For example, he had 58%more TD passes than Geno Smith and 133% fewer interceptions. IMO, many are trying to compare Glennon to QBs who have played for quite a few years.Lastly, he had 8 games with two TDs passes which tied for the most in NFL HISTORY for a,rookie QB. BTW, Luck didn't do that despite throwing MANY more times his rookie year than Glennon did. Not saying he is as good as Luck, just that we should be comparing him to ROOKIE QBs, not veteran ones.
The Bucs were dead last in yardage. It was 31st when he took over and finished dead last at 32. That is despite Glennon playing much better than Freeman.Teams stacked the line of scrimmage and dared Glennon to beat them. He had a good four game stretch from Seattle to Atlanta games 8-11. Then defenses adjusted and the Bucs offense was the worst offense in the NFL. The Bucs averaged 277 yards per game which was far and away the worst offense in the NFL. 30 teams including the turnover prone Giants did better. Even Buffalo had a better offense than the Bucs. The Jets offense even finished ahead of us and Geno Smith was terrible.I do not blame Glennon. This coaching staff could do nothing right in the second half. Once a team adjusted to the first half scoring, the Bucs did not score more than 7 points in 14 of 16 games. The Falcons were the only team our offense could score more than 7 points. Most of the time we scored 0 or 3 points. I am not saying get rid of Glennon but there is no reason why the Bucs should put all their eggs in the Glennon basket either.I do believe the GM and the coaching staff deserve to be unemployed.
The one criticism that I have of Glennon specifically comes down to his body language after he throws an interception. He goes in to a shell and it was very evident yesterday against the Saints...after he was picked he went 2 for 11 and was very erratic rushing almost every throw.Now looking at his body of work as a "ROOKIE" under the extreme circumstances that thrust him in to the lineup I tend to agree with those fans that Glennon has tools to work with and if he cleans up some of his mechanics on his delivery and works on his footwork in the off-season he potentially has a chance to greatly improve from year one to year two. Its hard to argue what his true ceiling is as he did not have a full offensive arsenal of talent to work with due to the injuries to Martin, Williams, Nicks, Crabtree etc...Not to mention the failed experiment of Olgetree.Most fans would be elated with a "ROOKIE" quarterbacks performance when you look at the totality of the situation and glance at his stats and realize he had a positive 2:1 TD to INT rate and finished with nearly a 60% (59.4) completion rate and was able to keep the team in most games.
The one criticism that I have of Glennon specifically comes down to his body language after he throws an interception. He goes in to a shell and it was very evident yesterday against the Saints...after he was picked he went 2 for 11 and was very erratic rushing almost every throw.Now looking at his body of work as a "ROOKIE" under the extreme circumstances that thrust him in to the lineup I tend to agree with those fans that Glennon has tools to work with and if he cleans up some of his mechanics on his delivery and works on his footwork in the off-season he potentially has a chance to greatly improve from year one to year two. Its hard to argue what his true ceiling is as he did not have a full offensive arsenal of talent to work with due to the injuries to Martin, Williams, Nicks, Crabtree etc...Not to mention the failed experiment of Olgetree.Most fans would be elated with a "ROOKIE" quarterbacks performance when you look at the totality of the situation and glance at his stats and realize he had a positive 2:1 TD to INT rate and finished with nearly a 60% (59.4) completion rate and was able to keep the team in most games.
That's a very good point and one of the things that concerns me about Glennon ...while I'm not ready to scream for a new QB, your point about going into a shell and how poorly he has played in 4th quarters of the games is what worries me. Yesterday was a prime example, even late in a blowout loss where you know the defense will give you the short stuff just to keep the clock moving he couldn't get the team a simple first down time and time again. As you noted he was 2-11 at that point. Part of that (I'm hoping) could be the play calling to where Sully is sending them all deep and he has no one to throw to. But its a big concern of mine. Call Freeman what you want (he deserves it) but normally in the 4th he got his act together (albeit normally way to late but you get my point).
Last in passing yardage is fine as long as we're at or near the top in rushing offense. Lead the league in rushing and Glennon will be more than satisfactory, imo.
Posted this on the Red Board but I'd rather discuss it here:Given what we now know of Glennon, I believe he'd be a top 10 pick in this upcoming draft. He far exceeded my expectations this year. The Bucs team as a whole was incredibly inconsistent this year. Yesterday alone, VJax dropped several easy balls, Revis got burned, our safeties were nonexistent, we had no running game, and the coaching was below average. For me the much bigger issue/question is surrounding our coach. Dude is clearly still learning on the job. You make even Whisenhunt our coach, we're a much better team.
