So was just looking at Jeff Tedford's W/L record at Cal from 2002 to 2011 vs. Greg Schiano's W/L record at Rutgers during the same period (which is fair given Schiano had a few years on the job at the point vs. Tedford's first year at CAL)Tedford was 72-43 while Schiano was 65-47 Tedford's teams finished in Top 25 four separate times with one top 10 finish. Schiano's teams were only in the top 25 once (finished 12th).Tedford won one conference championship (2004 co-champs with USC) while Schiano won none with Tedford having arguably the tougher schedule and conference.Not to say Tedford would be a successful NFL HEAD COACH, but he was arguably the same level prospect, if not better, as a Head Coach after the 2011 season than Schiano was. Schiano also had the task of turning around a Rutgers program where Tedford took over a decent traditional program in UC Berkeley, so Schiano gets bonus points there. But just interesting to look at a comparison between our presumptive new OC and the ex-HC and further wonder what prompted the Glazers to even hire Schiano in the first place.
Perhaps the perceived mess of the organization following Raheem Morris' tenure followed by Greg's "Toes on the Line" pitch, made a perfect storm for Schiano. Very interesting to see the comparisons between the two.
Perhaps the perceived mess of the organization following Raheem Morris' tenure followed by Greg's "Toes on the Line" pitch, made a perfect storm for Schiano.
That ^^ would be consistent with the Glazers approach to things. They seem to go from one extreme to the other. Dungy had no offense, get Gruden the offensive guru. Gruden relied heavily on old free agents/no QB -- build through the draft/franchise QB etc. Morris no discipline, get Schiano. Schiano inexperience college coach, get the most experienced coach, Lovie
Tweedle DEe and Tweedle Dum are reactive, very reactive as you said. they may get lucky this time and react the right way and with the right guy.
agreed Dal.
What is also curious is that a HC with little NFL experience is a total assclown and should eff off back to College where he belongs whereas an OC with absolutely no NFL experience whatsoever is an exciting prospect and is welcomed with open arms.Hmmmmm.
What is also curious is that a HC with little NFL experience is a total assclown and should eff off back to College where he belongs whereas an OC without absolutely no NFL experience whatsoever is an exciting prospect and is welcomed with open arms.Hmmmmm.
Fair comment here is why it is different:1. Tedford doesn't run some goofy college offense. He runs an NFL style attack in college. He's not going to have to reimagine his whole offense.2. How he runs that offense is "pro style" it is a balanced attack. This isn't some run, run, run, run Wisconsin style attack or some pass happy Air Raid system. This is a balanced NFL attack.3. Complexity. His offense was always deemed "too complex". Good, college kids have issues pros won't.4. Pro Staff. The biggest thing I would worry about with Tedford is protection schemes not being advanced enough for the pros but with Lovie and Rod/Frazier along trhey should see if he has those weaknesses - all the more-so if Sparano comes along to manage the OL.It is a risk but compared to seeing some no-name former RB coach that Lovie worked with in CHI it has to feel more optimisitic.
What is also curious is that a HC with little NFL experience is a total assclown and should eff off back to College where he belongs whereas an OC without absolutely no NFL experience whatsoever is an exciting prospect and is welcomed with open arms.Hmmmmm.
Fair comment here is why it is different:1. Tedford doesn't run some goofy college offense. He runs an NFL style attack in college. He's not going to have to reimagine his whole offense.2. How he runs that offense is "pro style" it is a balanced attack. This isn't some run, run, run, run Wisconsin style attack or some pass happy Air Raid system. This is a balanced NFL attack.3. Complexity. His offense was always deemed "too complex". Good, college kids have issues pros won't.4. Pro Staff. The biggest thing I would worry about with Tedford is protection schemes not being advanced enough for the pros but with Lovie and Rod/Frazier along trhey should see if he has those weaknesses - all the more-so if Sparano comes along to manage the OL.It is a risk but compared to seeing some no-name former RB coach that Lovie worked with in CHI it has to feel more optimisitic.
Don't have a problem with it actually Dal. If the guy is good enough let him have a crack. That is if it is confirmed of course. As things stand we have zero confirmation of anything.I was more highlighting the fact that some who ridiculed Schiano are falling over themselves backwards declaring this a brilliant hire. It might be, but the hypocrisy of it all is stunning. That includes the media AND some on this board.
What is also curious is that a HC with little NFL experience is a total assclown and should eff off back to College where he belongs whereas an OC without absolutely no NFL experience whatsoever is an exciting prospect and is welcomed with open arms.Hmmmmm.
Fair comment here is why it is different:1. Tedford doesn't run some goofy college offense. He runs an NFL style attack in college. He's not going to have to reimagine his whole offense.2. How he runs that offense is "pro style" it is a balanced attack. This isn't some run, run, run, run Wisconsin style attack or some pass happy Air Raid system. This is a balanced NFL attack.3. Complexity. His offense was always deemed "too complex". Good, college kids have issues pros won't.4. Pro Staff. The biggest thing I would worry about with Tedford is protection schemes not being advanced enough for the pros but with Lovie and Rod/Frazier along trhey should see if he has those weaknesses - all the more-so if Sparano comes along to manage the OL.It is a risk but compared to seeing some no-name former RB coach that Lovie worked with in CHI it has to feel more optimisitic.
Don't have a problem with it actually Dal. If the guy is good enough let him have a crack. That is if it is confirmed of course. As things stand we have zero confirmation of anything.I was more highlighting the fact that some who ridiculed Schiano are falling over themselves backwards declaring this a brilliant hire. It might be, but the hypocrisy of it all is stunning. That includes the media AND some on this board.
I personally think Schiano might've made a decent NFL DC. If he had NFL aspirations, that, to me, should've been his first stop.
I was more highlighting the fact that some who ridiculed Schiano are falling over themselves backwards declaring this a brilliant hire. It might be, but the hypocrisy of it all is stunning. That includes the media AND some on this board.
I was one of those guys, obviously. I see it as a big difference - plus it is a coordinator gig and not HC spot. To me, Tedford is a better football mind than Rutgers ever was. No one saw Rutgers as being "smart" just as a lesser, very lesser it seems, version of Parcells. Tedford OTOH was viewed much more as a "bright" guy.
What is also curious is that a HC with little NFL experience is a total assclown and should eff off back to College where he belongs whereas an OC without absolutely no NFL experience whatsoever is an exciting prospect and is welcomed with open arms.Hmmmmm.
Fair comment here is why it is different:1. Tedford doesn't run some goofy college offense. He runs an NFL style attack in college. He's not going to have to reimagine his whole offense.2. How he runs that offense is "pro style" it is a balanced attack. This isn't some run, run, run, run Wisconsin style attack or some pass happy Air Raid system. This is a balanced NFL attack.3. Complexity. His offense was always deemed "too complex". Good, college kids have issues pros won't.4. Pro Staff. The biggest thing I would worry about with Tedford is protection schemes not being advanced enough for the pros but with Lovie and Rod/Frazier along trhey should see if he has those weaknesses - all the more-so if Sparano comes along to manage the OL.It is a risk but compared to seeing some no-name former RB coach that Lovie worked with in CHI it has to feel more optimisitic.
Don't have a problem with it actually Dal. If the guy is good enough let him have a crack. That is if it is confirmed of course. As things stand we have zero confirmation of anything.I was more highlighting the fact that some who ridiculed Schiano are falling over themselves backwards declaring this a brilliant hire. It might be, but the hypocrisy of it all is stunning. That includes the media AND some on this board.
People are pretty optimistic right now. And Tedford isn't a no-name, we've all heard of him for many years. OC is not HC. Tedford has also put a disproportionate number of his players into the pros given where he comes from. I don't know all that much about the guy myself so I'm not hailing it as a brialliant hire, but on the surface it makes a lot more sense than the Schiano hire ever did. An the "get the eff outta town" stuff started after Schiano proved himself pretty convincingly to be a bust in the pros.
People never ragged on Schiano because he was a college coach. Or at least they shouldn't have been. They ragged on him because he was a lousy in-game coach that won in the Big East because his recruiting was good, which was a completely meaningless quality in the NFL. People are praising Tedford because he is known for running a good offense, and when his only job will be to run an offense, they think it could be a match. One has nothing to do with the other.
