Wait, so White Tiger - are you saying he's going to be a bad OC because he lied about his players' ability? Because I'm struggling to understand what you are getting at.
WT is struggling to understand what he is getting at. ;) (just kidding WT, you're entitled)if you read from the start of the discussion, you'll note various claims dropping. No one in the NFL wanted to hire him even though the article is about McKay trying to hire him as OC. I also posted an article about the Bears trying to hire him as HC. TAt one point WT suggest that Rodgers endorsement of Tedford may have been for money . . . the same Rodgers who may be one of the richest players in football. . . . .. "Five players" but avoiding Rodgers and including Carr . . Now Tedford is a liar?I think the possibility that Tedford might be a good OC cuts into some posters' primary complaint about Lovie, that he is inept at offense, and so Tedford also has to be inept . . or dishonest ;)
No, some don't want the points understood - so instead of making the case for their own argument - go all ad hominem.Like I've said numerous times - and so plainly children could understand it: the guy is not a good coach, he languished for 10 years at an obscure Pac 12 school. All of his QB's failed. Even if you can't understand that ALL of the "Tedford 5" QB's drafted in the 1st round - were complete failures explain this:Since 2005 - he never produced another QB drafted in the 1st round, and he never even produced another starting QB (...he was fired in 2012) - 7 years?I'm sure you have a great explanation - perhaps you could begin?
Tedford earned a reputation for running a gimmick offense and for producing system QB's.A lot like Bobby Petrino.Whenever anyone says Tefford, think Petrino.
What happened to Tedford is a liar, Rodgers endorsed him for money, no team wanted to hire him, he's responsible for Carr but not for Rodgers?
I don't know what you don't get?It is NOT impressive that he produced 5 QB's that different NFL execs drafted with their precious number one picks - all FIVE were busts.ALL FIVE.
To flip the script a lil bit....the fact that HE got 5 busts to play at a high level speaks to his coaching. Perhaps their future OCs should've tailored a system to fit their skillsets?
What happened to Tedford is a liar, Rodgers endorsed him for money, no team wanted to hire him, he's responsible for Carr but not for Rodgers?
I miss those days.
LOLZ1. UC Berkley is FAR from obscure. The fact you even say that discredits you completely.2. Tedfords problems late at CAL were not to do with anything other than recruiting. Oregon and Chip Kelly (and really, Phil Knight's $$$$$) hit the scene hard and decimated the Northern California recruiting pipeline CAL has traditionally enjoyed (I grew up in NorCal btw). He didn't have the athletes to compete and actually switched to MORE of a gimmick offense in his later years to try and hide the lack of talent at the school. He ran a very traditional, pro style offense his first few years.Enough of this though. He's got the job, let's at least see what he can do at this point....
I don't know what you don't get?It is NOT impressive that he produced 5 QB's that different NFL execs drafted with their precious number one picks - all FIVE were busts.ALL FIVE.
To flip the script a lil bit....the fact that HE got 5 busts to play at a high level speaks to his coaching. Perhaps their future OCs should've tailored a system to fit their skillsets?
EXACTLY
I don't know what you don't get?It is NOT impressive that he produced 5 QB's that different NFL execs drafted with their precious number one picks - all FIVE were busts.ALL FIVE.
To flip the script a lil bit....the fact that HE got 5 busts to play at a high level speaks to his coaching. Perhaps their future OCs should've tailored a system to fit their skillsets?
EXACTLY
Exactly! Exactly like Chris Simms, Josh Freeman, Trent Dilfer, (I'm sure that's going back a ways for some of you...unfortunately for you, I remember - first hand - how BAD a Jeff Tedford QB could be), and Shawn King.One of those guys played at a high level and went undefeated in his senior year.Jeff Tedford does not instill confidence to those old enough to know who he is - his reputation precedes him.Like I said, every time someone types Tedford, I hear Petrino.Same guy. Terrible system, terrible coach.
Lol -- maybe they were all paid . . . . like Rodgers http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/ex-players-praise-new-bucs-offensive-coordinator-tedford/2159710 He developed NFL standouts such as Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, Seahawks running back Marshawn Lynch and Eagles receiver DeSean Jackson. His former players believe his offensive creativity can translate well on Sundays."The guy knows football," said ex-Bucs running back Michael Pittman, who played at Fresno State from 1993-97, when Tedford was quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. "Great offensive mind. "He put us in situations where we had matchups we wanted. He's a guy a lot of players would love to play for. He was one of the biggest reasons I stayed and came back for my (senior) year."Nobody wants the bum: http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/usc-trojans-reached-out-to-jeff-tedford-ex-cal-coach-proposal-lane-kiffin-firing-100313
Wait, so White Tiger - are you saying he's going to be a bad OC because he lied about his players' ability? Because I'm struggling to understand what you are getting at.
WT is struggling to understand what he is getting at. ;) (just kidding WT, you're entitled)if you read from the start of the discussion, you'll note various claims dropping. No one in the NFL wanted to hire him even though the article is about McKay trying to hire him as OC. I also posted an article about the Bears trying to hire him as HC. TAt one point WT suggest that Rodgers endorsement of Tedford may have been for money . . . the same Rodgers who may be one of the richest players in football. . . . .. "Five players" but avoiding Rodgers and including Carr . . Now Tedford is a liar?I think the possibility that Tedford might be a good OC cuts into some posters' primary complaint about Lovie, that he is inept at offense, and so Tedford also has to be inept . . or dishonest ;)
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Lol -- maybe they were all paid . . . . like Rodgers http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/ex-players-praise-new-bucs-offensive-coordinator-tedford/2159710 He developed NFL standouts such as Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, Seahawks running back Marshawn Lynch and Eagles receiver DeSean Jackson. His former players believe his offensive creativity can translate well on Sundays."The guy knows football," said ex-Bucs running back Michael Pittman, who played at Fresno State from 1993-97, when Tedford was quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. "Great offensive mind. "He put us in situations where we had matchups we wanted. He's a guy a lot of players would love to play for. He was one of the biggest reasons I stayed and came back for my (senior) year."Nobody wants the bum: http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/usc-trojans-reached-out-to-jeff-tedford-ex-cal-coach-proposal-lane-kiffin-firing-100313
Do you expect to post these things as proof? If so, do you ever expect anyone to read them?from the article you linked:"Shortly after firing Lane Kiffin last weekend, the school reached out to one-time rival Jeff Tedford to ask him to come aboard as an offensive consultant and recruiter"I don't see anywhere in there that they asked him to coach? Wonder why?Any article that uses Michael Pitman as a "source"...is reaching. Why didn't they quote Trent Dilfer and his mom, too?
Wait, so White Tiger - are you saying he's going to be a bad OC because he lied about his players' ability? Because I'm struggling to understand what you are getting at.
WT is struggling to understand what he is getting at. ;) (just kidding WT, you're entitled)if you read from the start of the discussion, you'll note various claims dropping. No one in the NFL wanted to hire him even though the article is about McKay trying to hire him as OC. I also posted an article about the Bears trying to hire him as HC. TAt one point WT suggest that Rodgers endorsement of Tedford may have been for money . . . the same Rodgers who may be one of the richest players in football. . . . .. "Five players" but avoiding Rodgers and including Carr . . Now Tedford is a liar?I think the possibility that Tedford might be a good OC cuts into some posters' primary complaint about Lovie, that he is inept at offense, and so Tedford also has to be inept . . or dishonest ;)
Hmm...the Kool Aid is strong with this one...
you have made several claims that you have later abandoned when faced with objective facts to the contrary (i.e., examples of teams trying to hire Tedford, players complimenting Tedford, Lovie wanting "elite athletes,"). You've even gone a step further trying to discredit positive information about Tedford (i.e., Rodgers may have been compensated by Tedford). Your claiming that facts are "Kool Aid" is . . . well . . . .not a surprising response.
Lol -- maybe they were all paid . . . . like Rodgers http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/ex-players-praise-new-bucs-offensive-coordinator-tedford/2159710 He developed NFL standouts such as Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, Seahawks running back Marshawn Lynch and Eagles receiver DeSean Jackson. His former players believe his offensive creativity can translate well on Sundays."The guy knows football," said ex-Bucs running back Michael Pittman, who played at Fresno State from 1993-97, when Tedford was quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. "Great offensive mind. "He put us in situations where we had matchups we wanted. He's a guy a lot of players would love to play for. He was one of the biggest reasons I stayed and came back for my (senior) year."Nobody wants the bum: http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/usc-trojans-reached-out-to-jeff-tedford-ex-cal-coach-proposal-lane-kiffin-firing-100313
Do you expect to post these things as proof? If so, do you ever expect anyone to read them?from the article you linked:"Shortly after firing Lane Kiffin last weekend, the school reached out to one-time rival Jeff Tedford to ask him to come aboard as an offensive consultant and recruiter"I don't see anywhere in there that they asked him to coach? Wonder why?Any article that uses Michael Pitman as a "source"...is reaching. Why didn't they quote Trent Dilfer and his mom, too?
You feel free to use the facts as you see fit. If you want to treat them as "proof" that's your choice. No comment on your claim that Rodgers may have been paid? lol
Let's see if I can salvage this thing, because I generally enjoy White Tiger's contributions. I don't think any of us defending Tedford here aren't at least somewhat wary of the jump from college to pro in general. It's obviously an unknown. At the core, White Tiger, your argument is really that he was successful with those guys because he ran a bunch of gimmicks and those gimmicks won't work in the pros. My position is different. I don't think he used gimmicks, unless teaching fundamentals in a pro-style college system is a gimmick. I think what happened is this - he took a bunch of "C" level players who probably never get drafted, and turned them into "A" players. I'm pretty sure that of all the guys he coached, only Boller and Joey Harrington were highly rated prospect (10th best QB in the country). Trent Dilfer was second team all-county QB who wasn't recruited by anybody to play QB, besides Fresno State. Cal wanted him to be a TE. He's was more athlete than QB - 4 sports, plus all county P and S. David Carr - with whom he only worked a single year - was second team all-county as well. Smith was coming from Juco. Rogers wasn't recruited by anybody. And let's add another layer of context - Boller was highly rated coming out of HS, but he was pretty much terrible prior to working with Tedford. Tedford coached him for a single year. Boller credits him with fixing his mechanics which improved his accuracy to above 50% for the only time in his career. That Baltimore wasted a first round on a highly inaccurate strong-armed athlete is 100% on them, not Tedford. Akili Smith was another guy who went from undraftable to draftable because of one year of coaching with Tedford. I'd also point out that Smith's failure had mostly to do with off-the-field issues when he got into the pros. He partied too much (he says he'd fly back and forth from Cincy to home to party and burn cash) and was notorious for not learning the playbook. That's on Tedford? I also think you are drawing the wrong lessons from Petrino and Spurrier.Spurrier failed for a lot of reasons, but I think the biggest one was he totally underestimated the work ethic required to succeed at the NFL level. At his first press conference, he infamously laughed about how little sleep Jim Haslett (then the Saints' coach) got - "I saw a story saying Jim Haslett comes in at 4:30 every morning - that's not doing him much good." He thought he was going to play golf all the time in the offseason. He didn't really run the practices - that was Marvin Lewis - choosing to spend his time mostly with the QBs. When Lewis left the next year, the practices deteriorated. He brought in Wuerfel and Matthews to play QB, because they did things the way he wanted to, without realizing that those guys weren't NFL caliber starters. The next year, he was forced to start Patrick Ramsey, a QB he didn't draft and didn't want. Tim Hasselbeck, who also played that year, pointed out that Spurrier got guys open all day, but failed to adjust to what defenses did. His system, like Mike Martz' required the QB to stay in the pocket until the last second and his QBs took a beat-down. Plus, the talent-level of the team was atrocious and he had zero institutional control (especially after Lewis left). It was like Campo-era Cowboys. Petrino had similar issues - mostly about handling being an NFL HC. He had been a coordinator and QB coach in the NFL previously, so I don't know that there was much in the way of gimmickery involved. He also had Mike Vick, the dog-fighting years, and replaced him - like Spurrier, with Redmond. I'd also point out that both guys had rosters filled with lousy players, especially the Skins.
