http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24456856/revis-available-high-cap-number-new-regime-means-cb-could-be-on-move Again, keep in mind this is La Canfora so he's likely just throwing darts at a dartboard here. But if it's true (and hey, why not right?), a couple thoughts:1) You'd better at least re-coup your draft picks. The Bucs took a risk trading for Revis plus the allocated cap space, if all they do is get their draft picks back I'd count it as a loss.2) Again, this is La Canfora so it may not be true at all, but if he's right I'm always leery when coaches aren't able to maximize talents like Revis has. I understand you have a system, but if I can't see how taking out the other teams no. 1 receiver isn't a huge, huge boon to the defence.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24456856/revis-available-high-cap-number-new-regime-means-cb-could-be-on-move Again, keep in mind this is La Canfora so he's likely just throwing darts at a dartboard here. But if it's true (and hey, why not right?), a couple thoughts:1) You'd better at least re-coup your draft picks. The Bucs took a risk trading for Revis plus the allocated cap space, if all they do is get their draft picks back I'd count it as a loss.2) Again, this is La Canfora so it may not be true at all, but if he's right I'm always leery when coaches aren't able to maximize talents like Revis has. I understand you have a system, but if I can't see how taking out the other teams no. 1 receiver isn't a huge, huge boon to the defence.
1) If we could recoup those picks yes, we would have a slight loss, but less of a loss than we already have. Revis trade was a complete waste by an archaic mindset of the prior staff2) It's not about the #1 receiver any longer. Once upon a time it was. That time is past. Now it's about being able to cover all the receivers the modern rules enable teams to put out there. You need multiple good corners, not one great one. You can't pour the resources into one spot like we did with Revis. It's not like he's a pass rusher or QB.
The topic of the article reads, Teams think Revis COULD be available for trade. In the body it states, the team Revis plays for COULD be INCLINED to trade him. Nowhere in the article is it said the Bucs are looking to trade, cut, release nor shoot Revis at sunrise. Smith has expressed his excitement in having Revis on his defense. It's purely conjecture. Per the Bucs GM, Revis is an asset to our team.
The topic of the article reads, Teams think Revis COULD be available for trade. In the body it states, the team Revis plays for COULD be INCLINED to trade him. Nowhere in the article is it said the Bucs are looking to trade, cut, release nor shoot Revis at sunrise. Smith has expressed his excitement in having Revis on his defense. It's purely conjecture. Per the Bucs GM, Revis is an asset to our team.
Exactly.
If St Louis said 2nd pick overall for Revis. I'd pull that trigger in a heartbeat. Other than that, unless we are getting more than a top 15 first rounder, plus change, i'm not keen.Plus it means we lose our 4th instead of the 3rd.
While I can see the Bucs wanting to trade Revis because of his price tag even if he fits into their current cap space, I don't see any team offering what it would likely take to make the deal plus restructuring Revis to a comfortable cap number for the next team.
While I can see the Bucs wanting to trade Revis because of his price tag even if he fits into their current cap space, I don't see any team offering what it would likely take to make the deal plus restructuring Revis to a comfortable cap number for the next team.
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I was totally, 100% against taking the risks of acquiring Revis last spring, due to the cost per player (draft picks) plus injury risks. Now, the story being broadcast is that Revis will be pretty much the old Revis. Almost any defense, including several variations of cover 2, can take advantage of Revis' skills. Is anyone who was actually in favor of getting Revis then, now in favor of trading him? Why would that be?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24456856/revis-available-high-cap-number-new-regime-means-cb-could-be-on-move Again, keep in mind this is La Canfora so he's likely just throwing darts at a dartboard here. But if it's true (and hey, why not right?), a couple thoughts:1) You'd better at least re-coup your draft picks. The Bucs took a risk trading for Revis plus the allocated cap space, if all they do is get their draft picks back I'd count it as a loss.2) Again, this is La Canfora so it may not be true at all, but if he's right I'm always leery when coaches aren't able to maximize talents like Revis has. I understand you have a system, but if I can't see how taking out the other teams no. 1 receiver isn't a huge, huge boon to the defence.
1) If we could recoup those picks yes, we would have a slight loss, but less of a loss than we already have. Revis trade was a complete waste by an archaic mindset of the prior staff2) It's not about the #1 receiver any longer. Once upon a time it was. That time is past. Now it's about being able to cover all the receivers the modern rules enable teams to put out there. You need multiple good corners, not one great one. You can't pour the resources into one spot like we did with Revis. It's not like he's a pass rusher or QB.
I strongly disagree. I think it's still very much about the no. 1 receiver. The spread hasn't revolutionized the NFL, yes some teams use it but the vast majority of prolific offences have strong no. 1 receivers. Even those that don't almost al have clear no. 1 receivers so being able to take out the oposite teams best receiver is hugely advantageous for a defence. It becomes a rare situation where a defence can dictate strongly to an offence what they can and can't do. If Revis were somehow preventing us from having a strong no. 2 and nickel corner, then yes you would be right. And is he really overpaid at $16 million? Yes. Probably by $4 million.
The topic of the article reads, Teams think Revis COULD be available for trade. In the body it states, the team Revis plays for COULD be INCLINED to trade him. Nowhere in the article is it said the Bucs are looking to trade, cut, release nor shoot Revis at sunrise. Smith has expressed his excitement in having Revis on his defense. It's purely conjecture. Per the Bucs GM, Revis is an asset to our team.
Sure, and it's a La Canfora report as well. But the article also states teams expect Revis to be available. And it's not like at this stage, even if the Bucs were inclined to trade Revis that without any firm offers they would let it be known he's available. You'd just piss Revis off, lower his trade value, and potentially for nothing.And Smith and Licht are going to praise Revis no matter what - even if they planned to trade him from day 1. Now that he's healthy, he's might be the best player on the entire team and even if they plan on trading him he's still a huge asset. So at this point Lovie saying that Revis is a great player and can play in this defence isn't actually saying anything that tells us how the Bucs are leaning. It's like saying the sky is blue. And again, it's a La Canfora report so it's not worth a lot and we have no idea if the Bucs have any intention of trading Revis. The one thing though is every player is tradeable for the right price.
While I can see the Bucs wanting to trade Revis because of his price tag even if he fits into their current cap space, I don't see any team offering what it would likely take to make the deal plus restructuring Revis to a comfortable cap number for the next team.
I think that teams would happily offer enough to get Revis. He's now healthy and has demonstrated he can still be the old Revis. The real issue is the cap number. $16 million is obscene espeically given the recent market for corners (which is also weird), so he's going to have to restructure and make less money but get more guaranteed. And given his contract holdout history that may be unlikely.
I was totally, 100% against taking the risks of acquiring Revis last spring, due to the cost per player (draft picks) plus injury risks. Now, the story being broadcast is that Revis will be pretty much the old Revis. Almost any defense, including several variations of cover 2, can take advantage of Revis' skills. Is anyone who was actually in favor of getting Revis then, now in favor of trading him? Why would that be?
Two possible reasons (and I'm not for a Revis trade just open to it). First, it really seems we are going to have to allocate large chunks of cap space to the defensive line to run Lovie's defence. That will likely preclude us from paying Revis the kind of money he wants. Second, it seems Lovie won't alter his defense to center it around Revis instead of around the defensiver end position. The beauty of Revis is he allows you to erase a player, thus roll coverage to other players and/or bring blitzes from all over to generate pressure. Revis really was the center of Rex Ryan's great defences in NY. If Revis is used that way the defensive end is less of an issue because you can generate pressure in all kinds of ways and arent' reliant on the 4 man rush (although it's great if you got it).That's why I'd be open to trading him even though I was happy to acquire him. His cap number is really what forces the issue. If you have Revis at a more amenable $10 mill or maybe even $12 mill I wouldn't see any way it works without a ridiculous draft haul.
Tog. I'm not understanding why the Bucs would bring a gimpy Revis in and sign him to his current contract, nurse him back to health, then trade him before playing him in a healthy state. All this while knowing no team would want to take the 16 mil cap hit? So they deal him away for draft picks that have never played a down in the NFL? Wouldn't that set the Bucs further away from having a winning season?
PR's Mark Cook laid down an excellent "makes sense" rebuttal to this rumor.
This story simply smells of an NFL author desperate for page clicks in the darkest part of the NFL offseason. The new league calendar hasn't started yet, so FA is still a bit away, the draft is still a bit away, and the combine isn't his cup of tea. Notice how he points out the Bucs have not shopped Revis? That's all you need to know right there. What probably went down was LaCanfora had one conversation with a GM who said he was going to make a run at Revis and gave some particularly compelling arguments on why he could be available and BOOM, there's a story idea. In fact, the GM is probably using LaCanfora to get this story out there so that the Bucs brass has to deal with it, instead of just ignoring his phone calls.This is much ado about nothing. You don't trade one of the top 3 players ever to play a position for anything less than a Kings ransom....especially when that position is still a liability outside of this player (we need a 3rd Corner, we don't need to get rid of one). Lovie knows this, and its why Revis has been mentioned by name as a key piece multiple times. EDIT: FWIW this is from RotoworldAfter conversations with coach Lovie Smith, the Tampa Tribune doesn't see the Bucs trading Darrelle Revis."We’re primarily going to be a man team," Smith said. "Whether we win or lose is going to be based on how we play man coverage." That's Revis' strong suit. Smith is going to adapt his defense to his players' skill set, as opposed to forcing a square peg (Revis) into a round hole (zone coverage). While teams may have been feeling out the Bucs and their intentions for Revis, we can't see them dealing the best cornerback in the game unless they're blown away by an offer.
Tog. I'm not understanding why the Bucs would bring a gimpy Revis in and sign him to his current contract, nurse him back to health, then trade him before playing him in a healthy state. All this while knowing no team would want to take the 16 mil cap hit? So they deal him away for draft picks that have never played a down in the NFL? Wouldn't that set the Bucs further away from having a winning season?
yesterday's Bucs are not today's Bucs though, right? Not saying they do it, but that is the thought behind LaCanfora usual nonsense, right?
One factor I think you guys are overlooking is that by trading Revis and his $16 Million salary it makes it more likely we can keep Lorig.
Tog. I'm not understanding why the Bucs would bring a gimpy Revis in and sign him to his current contract, nurse him back to health, then trade him before playing him in a healthy state. All this while knowing no team would want to take the 16 mil cap hit? So they deal him away for draft picks that have never played a down in the NFL? Wouldn't that set the Bucs further away from having a winning season?
yesterday's Bucs are not today's Bucs though, right? Not saying they do it, but that is the thought behind LaCanfora usual nonsense, right?
Keyword being NONSENSE. Nuff said.
