How will new Bucs coach Lovie Smith bring to Tampa Bay? Will the Bucs target some Bears free agents in March? Which Bucs unit was poised to be completely overhauled in 2014? Did Mark Dominik leave the Bucs in good salary cap shape? Why are the Bucs interested in KC director of player personnel Chris Ballard? Get the answers and more inside scoop on the Bucs in this edition of SR's Fab 5. https://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&Itemid=20&view=item&layout=item&id=9549
Another well typed and informative Fab 5! I certainly agree it must be a nightmare for a GM to watch players go on IR he is responsible for drafting or trading for. Given the last two years it seems Mark had really turned the corner as far as the draft goes and his CAP work HAS left the team in a good position.Personally I think it's a shame he had to take the fall but the W-L record does speak for itself.Given what we know about Ballard the Bucs might have to hire a capologist to work with him.I believe the Bucs are a QB away from being highly successful and must take a chance on the draft with the first pick. I'd certainly keep Glennon as well.I don't know enough about Derek Carr to comment but Fresno State reference reminds me of the much demeaned Trent Dilfer! LOL I'd love to see the Bucs take a chance on Johnny Football myself, do whatever it takes to find the QB we thought we had in Freeman and have missed on for so many years. The draft is the ONLY way to get there these days and risks have to be taken.Again Scott, great job and I'm looking forward to another busy and exciting off-season including the day by day reporting from Pewter Report. Happy New Year!
Scott, have the tear stained been wipe from your handkerchief over Dom being fired? Your final love letter is a nice one to be fair. Dom didn't make bad choices, he had bad choices forced on him? Well fine, he shouldn have been fired because he didn't understand the role of the GM is to say no to stupid ideas from coaches.
Thanks, Garv. I appreciate it. Happy New Year to you, too.dalbuc, I didn't say Dominik didn't make bad choices. He most certainly did. I pointed out one of HIS biggest mistakes was listening to others about personnel and then acting on it. That's his own fault and was clearly stated. He knows that, too.
So his problem was he was too nice and tried to hard. But at least he's still well spoken, knowledgeable and telegenic.Amazing how anyone could possibly believe their might be some bias in your coverage. Must have our tinfoil hats on too tight.
Excellent Fab Five, SR. I love the detail you provided. In addition to the situations you describe in the Fab Five, you've written about Schiano and Dominik working together on personnel, but it'd be interesting to hear what you've heard about Butch Davis' impact on the team's scouting. I know that Chris Landry has ascribed the team's drafting successes over the past two years primarily to Schiano's and Davis' influence. In fact, Landry makes it sound as if Schiano brought in Davis to be a shadow GM/personnel exec due to what he had heard about Dominik and the Bucs' personnel dept. Also, the recent Eric Adelson Bucs articles are based on a source describing the Bucs as having the "the worst personnel group in all of pro football," so the source doesn't sound like someone from the personnel side of the house, to say the least. Do you know how personnel guys like Hickey, Stokes, and Quarles are regarded around the league? Landry consistently disparages them, and it seems someone working for the team felt the same way, whether that "someone" was a coach or a consultant.It'd also be interesting to hear about draft picks and/or free agents that Dominik liked/pursued that they weren't able to land. Pewter Report wrote about his pursuit of Carson Palmer and the failure to get Brandon Spikes a few years back. Do you know of any other "might have been's"?
Sorry, posted this on the wrong board:Scott, Can you please link me to any article or post where you've ever made the following statements before:* In 2009, respected wide receivers coach Richard Mann frantically begged and implored Dominik to re-sign wide receiver Michael Clayton. Mann said that Clayton, who played the flanker position, was a vital component to the passing game and the running game with his blocking ability. Dominik caved and not only re-signed Clayton he committed the cardinal sin of overpaying him.* In 2011 when linebackers Barrett Ruud and Quincy Black were both heading towards free agency, Morris, who was also the defensive coordinator, wanted both back. When Dominik said that wasn’t happening because Ruud was a shell of his former self, was losing step and getting beat up, while Black lacked instincts and intelligence, Morris became livid. Dominik finally relented and asked Morris to pick one and that he wasn’t going to re-sign both. . . . Dominik gulped as he reluctantly signed Black to a five-year, $29-million contract with $11.5 million guaranteed.* Also in 2011, offensive coordinator Greg Olson was adamant about re-signing right tackle Jeremy Trueblood. Dominik vetoed the move because of Trueblood’s declining skills and penchant for penalties, and that upset Olson. * In 2013, Dominik listened too much to new wide receivers coach John Garrett, who raved about Dallas wide receiver Kevin Ogletree, whom he had recruited to and coached at the University of Virginia, as well as with the Cowboys. Dominik regretfully signed Ogletree in free agency and he was a bust, as many predicted, and released a few games into the regular season.***If you haven't made these statements before (and I don't recall ever reading them), are you basing them on information you just recently got (presumably from the departing Dominick) or have you had this information and have been sitting on it? Thanks.
Sorry, posted this on the wrong board:Scott, Can you please link me to any article or post where you've ever made the following statements before:* In 2009, respected wide receivers coach Richard Mann frantically begged and implored Dominik to re-sign wide receiver Michael Clayton. Mann said that Clayton, who played the flanker position, was a vital component to the passing game and the running game with his blocking ability. Dominik caved and not only re-signed Clayton he committed the cardinal sin of overpaying him.* In 2011 when linebackers Barrett Ruud and Quincy Black were both heading towards free agency, Morris, who was also the defensive coordinator, wanted both back. When Dominik said that wasn’t happening because Ruud was a shell of his former self, was losing step and getting beat up, while Black lacked instincts and intelligence, Morris became livid. Dominik finally relented and asked Morris to pick one and that he wasn’t going to re-sign both. . . . Dominik gulped as he reluctantly signed Black to a five-year, $29-million contract with $11.5 million guaranteed.* Also in 2011, offensive coordinator Greg Olson was adamant about re-signing right tackle Jeremy Trueblood. Dominik vetoed the move because of Trueblood’s declining skills and penchant for penalties, and that upset Olson. * In 2013, Dominik listened too much to new wide receivers coach John Garrett, who raved about Dallas wide receiver Kevin Ogletree, whom he had recruited to and coached at the University of Virginia, as well as with the Cowboys. Dominik regretfully signed Ogletree in free agency and he was a bust, as many predicted, and released a few games into the regular season.***If you haven't made these statements before (and I don't recall ever reading them), are you basing them on information you just recently got (presumably from the departing Dominick) or have you had this information and have been sitting on it? Thanks.
Good question.
Those ring pretty true to me - not excusing Dom, but I recall Mann was very partial to Clayton, though I always figured that he was a Glazers favorite and that Dom simply wanted to please them (seem to recall that he was one of the most outspoken about Gruden and that he was one of the players consulted by the owners about Gruden). I don't remember Scott writing about the Olsen-Trueblood thing, but we do know that Manguerian and Olsen had a feud (Scott reported that), and that Manguerian dumped Trueblood. That Garrett had a heavy hand in Ogletree's arrival was obvious and not very controversial.
I recall the bucs seemingly ready to let Clayton go - and the whole stop him for getting on a plane saga - more detail in Scott's story than I have seen before. Same with Joseph/Trueblood saga. Didn't much know about Ogletree beyond Garrett wanted him and heard that on PR. More info coming out with the GM's departure it would seem
I don't remember Scott writing about the Olsen-Trueblood thing
I really didn't need anymore reasons to dislike Olsen, but that sure gave me one.
I don't remember Scott writing about the Olsen-Trueblood thing
I really didn't need anymore reasons to dislike Olsen, but that sure gave me one.
Thanks for the chuckle
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