I would argue that the Bucs are a 4-12 and need players at any position.
On topic, I've always felt the BPA is the best route. If you draft for weakness you reach too much. Seattle didn't need a QB after putting megabucks into a deal with Matt Flynn but Russell Wilson was the best player on their board in the 3rd round. The rest, as they say, is history.As for alldaway's comment. I'd say the Buccaneers were a 6-8 win team who had a terrible amount of distractions at the beginning of the season and coaches who didn't know what the hell they were doing.
I think the vast majority (all?) teams are BAP. You listen to ex-GM's talk about the draft, a lot of what happens is that you have 3 or 4 players all within the same grade. So you take the player that fits the need. Dalbuc - are you just using total yardage stats? If so, don't think that paints nearly as accurate a picture as red zone efficiency, turnovers, etc.
Adjusted yardage, the rest frankly aren't good stats to be honest. Teams like NE should have a lot of turnovers because with the suck level of QB's they play there are INT's all over the place for example. You are right about the grading. The former personnel guys talk about bands of players. These are the blue chip, red chip, green chip guys. The idea that scouts can or should try and parse the "better" player between a guy with a 93 and 92 grade is silly. If we had a DT with a 93 and Watkins with a 92 does anyone really think we should be taking the DT for example? Where BPA starts to matter is if you have a 92 blue chip DT on your board and everyone else is a red chip 82 or lower player then you take the BPA because in that case there is a clear difference. BPA likely matters a lot more on day 2-3 than on day 1 because you will get a lot more variation in grades past round 1.
Interesting question. Yesterday, defense and running played a big role in two playoff wins. Does anyone know how the Pats offense and the Seattle offense stand relative to the rest of the NFL going in? I realize both those teas have very good/elite QB, so our offense would arguably need to be better if we have near the quality on defense (not sure we do). You could alos look at in reverse, how did, for instance, the Pats defense stand relative to the league.another way to look at is is to focus on the division. we used to beat the Saints and Falcons with strong defense, running and so-so offense. Those Buc defenses were very good, but how good, and how good were the offenses?
Pats relative ranks (adjusted for opposition) 4th offense, 21st defense (14th pass, 27th rushing). NE is 6th rushing and 7th passing adjusted offense.SEA is 8th passing and 7th rushing, 1st in defense, 1st Pass and 8th rush*Just an aside, name the second best QB in the AFCE during the entire time Brady has been at NE. we were playing this game last night and thinking how easy their path through the AFCE has been during his tenure*
I'll try this without cheating at pro football reference - I'm going to go with Chad Pennington.
Very well-reasoned approach, IMO, however, I'd go 1. Clowney 2.Watkins 3. Mathews or Greg Robinson.
I'm with you Bucjoe, although my Clowney pick is highly dependent on the team kicking the tires on his attitude. Caveat is that I haven't really done my homework on the pass-rushers other than Clowney.
Interesting question. Yesterday, defense and running played a big role in two playoff wins. Does anyone know how the Pats offense and the Seattle offense stand relative to the rest of the NFL going in? I realize both those teas have very good/elite QB, so our offense would arguably need to be better if we have near the quality on defense (not sure we do). You could alos look at in reverse, how did, for instance, the Pats defense stand relative to the league.another way to look at is is to focus on the division. we used to beat the Saints and Falcons with strong defense, running and so-so offense. Those Buc defenses were very good, but how good, and how good were the offenses?
Pats relative ranks (adjusted for opposition) 4th offense, 21st defense (14th pass, 27th rushing). NE is 6th rushing and 7th passing adjusted offense.SEA is 8th passing and 7th rushing, 1st in defense, 1st Pass and 8th rush*Just an aside, name the second best QB in the AFCE during the entire time Brady has been at NE. we were playing this game last night and thinking how easy their path through the AFCE has been during his tenure*
I'll try this without cheating at pro football reference - I'm going to go with Chad Pennington.
Maybe favre during his brief jets tenure?
Interesting question. Yesterday, defense and running played a big role in two playoff wins. Does anyone know how the Pats offense and the Seattle offense stand relative to the rest of the NFL going in? I realize both those teas have very good/elite QB, so our offense would arguably need to be better if we have near the quality on defense (not sure we do). You could alos look at in reverse, how did, for instance, the Pats defense stand relative to the league.another way to look at is is to focus on the division. we used to beat the Saints and Falcons with strong defense, running and so-so offense. Those Buc defenses were very good, but how good, and how good were the offenses?
Pats relative ranks (adjusted for opposition) 4th offense, 21st defense (14th pass, 27th rushing). NE is 6th rushing and 7th passing adjusted offense.SEA is 8th passing and 7th rushing, 1st in defense, 1st Pass and 8th rush*Just an aside, name the second best QB in the AFCE during the entire time Brady has been at NE. we were playing this game last night and thinking how easy their path through the AFCE has been during his tenure*
I'll try this without cheating at pro football reference - I'm going to go with Chad Pennington.
Pennington is right followed by AJ Feely. That is one sad history of QB play in that division.
Jay Fiedler would have been my second guess.
