strange disconnect that leads pro-gun guys to argue against SYG, given the role of the NRA:"Perhaps unsurprisingly, a Tampa Bay Times study from 2012 shows that “as ‘stand your ground’ claims have increased, so too has the number of Floridians with guns. Concealed weapons permits now stand at 1.1 million, three times as many as in 2005 when the law was passed.” Put bluntly: As Floridians sense that other Floridians plan to shoot first, they buy more guns. Think about it: The National Rifle Association that has pushed so hard for “stand your ground” laws in recent years is the same National Rifle Association that has put so many guns, and such lethal guns, in so many hands—concealed carry, open carry, wave-it-around-and-call-it-free-speech carry. The gun lobby has single-handedly made certain that the very definition of what one might reasonably expect from an altercation at a Walmart, a movie theater, or a gas station has changed. By seeking to arm everyone in America, the NRA has in fact changed our reasonable expectation of how fights will end, into a self-fulfilling prophecy about how fights will end. It should surprise you not at all to learn that of the 10 states with the most lenient gun laws in America, seven support “stand your ground.” In those jurisdictions shooting first isn’t merely “reasonable.” It borders on sensible." http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/02/_stand_your_ground_nation_from_trayvon_martin_to_jordan_davis_how_our_understanding.2.html
one of the better defense attorneys in our state wants to change the jury instructions and make SYG a pre-trial decision (i.e., make the judge a gatekeeper) http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/us-usa-florida-selfdefense-idUSBREA1Q04W20140227 "Attorney Mark O'Mara said he will send to the Florida Bar this week a proposal to let judges decide when juries should be instructed to consider stand your ground."Only include it in those cases where the 'stand your ground, no duty to retreat' issue is relevant," O'Mara told Reuters on Wednesday."
One whole post on the topic and vinbot had to go right back to his anti-gun nonsense.
ZERO posts on topic and Olaf is right back posting about Vin . . .Buffy too
"It's not me, it's you" --- vinbot
The point vinbot is that there was good conversation on this topic for a few days until vinbot hijacked another thread with his anti-gun nonsense. A topic in which vinbot has been abused on for more than a year to the point that the rest of the board is bored to death discussing it. You started multiple threads on that topic recently and they have gone ignored by and large so you insist on coming back to this one to post the nonsense.But it's not you, it's "them". Post on vinbot, you are the laughing stock of the board. We need you to fill the void left by other classics like Chrispy, Karen, and the like.
to the point that the rest of the board is bored to death discussing it.
and yet . . . you come to the thread every day . . .
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Olaf . . . .aside from my sorcerer's spell (lol) no one FORCES you to come to a message board and then to come to one of MANY threads and then click on it. . . .. Once in the thread that you CHOSE to visit . . no one FORCES you to comment AT ALL, let alone to comment ABOUT me and nothing else. You CHOOSE to do all of that. Let me repeat that: you CHOOSE TO DO ALL OF THAT . . . so your comment is just ridiculous on its face. This isn't some absurd battle, you know what I post about, if you don't like it THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FINE . . but don't try to play off your own volitional acts as that of some "victim" or "crusader." I am not going anywhere and as I have said MANY times before and SHOWN before . . if you never posted ABOUT ME . . . . there would never be any RESPONSE from me. The nonsense BEGINS with you guys . . .whatever your motivation, its silly, but not as silly as then trying to cover your own choices by blaming me? That's just weird. I have even asked you guys to stop (lol), but you persist and then blame me?? Really?? C'mon now . . .for goodness sake, this is a message board . . . . not the Second Battle of Ypres
