Like almost all things discussed here, if you wait long enough proof will emerge.
Proof usually arrives because the court system forces the reality to the front by compelling people to produce documents. Documents show what people were really doing and saying AT THE TIME, as compared to the verbal claims people make after an event
One great example is the civil suit going on right now from the Unite the Right Rally. Its discussed in great length in a fascinating article entitled, "The Unite the Right trial is exposing the chasm between who plans White nationalism's battles and who does the fighting."
Its worth Googling to have a good read
@JBear, we had a long discussion here about you parroting Andy Ngo's claim that peaceful Christian prayer meeting was attacked by Antifa, I said the event is set up by the Proud Boys (one white nationalist group). You disputed that. You may be correct, but not if we are using Unite the Right as an example:
"In May 2017, in his first messages about Unite the Right, its main organizer, Jason Kessler, referred in a group chat to a huge brawl a month earlier between alt-right groups and antifascists, writing: "I think we need to have a battle of Berkeley situation in Charlottesville."
BUT HERE's THE KEY PART, which happens to be exactly what I said about Portland:
"During that scrum, Nathan Damigo, now also a defendant in the Charlottesville case, was caught on video punching a woman in the face. Damigo had founded Identity Evropa, which members told me was intended to look like a preppy, aspirational, White nationalist fraternity. Video of the punch became an alt-right meme, and it brought a surge in applications to Identity Evropa, or IE, according to conversations among members presented at the Charlottesville trial by plaintiffs, who are funded by the non-profit Integrity First for America.
This is what Kessler wanted to drum up, but with more groups -- or, as he said in one a group chat for planning alt-right events, to "assemble every motherfucker you can." Kessler wanted to bring together Damigo, Richard Spencer, the Proud Boys and a guy known as Based Stickman for beating people with a stick at a rally, and "fight this shit out," according to messages he affirmed at trial were his.
He wanted the Charlottesville event "PUBLICIZED" so that antifa would show up. "They bring everything they've got and we do too," Kessler said in the same chat."
AND THIS
"In fact, Kessler was deeply invested in getting antifa to show up and fight the alt-right. He urged one White power group not to wear guns because it would be too much of a deterrent. "If you want a chance to crack some Antifa skulls in self-defense, don't open carry. You will scare the shit out of them and they'll just stand off to the side," Kessler said in a June 2017 Charlottesville planning group chat presented at trial.
He advised more subtle weapons: "I recommend you bring picket signposts, shields and other self-defense implements which can be turned from a free speech tool to a self-defense weapon should things turn ugly."
Again, in the same group chat, Kessler returned to optics: "Please do not open carry. We want to avoid that optic for both the media and Antifa. We ultimately don't want to scare them from laying hands on us if they can't stand our peaceful demonstration."
AND THIS:
""The alt-right is a dangerous movement. It feeds on the chaos energy of our unchecked racism bantz," Kessler said in a chatroom in May 2017, closing with the slang for ironic online banter. "But in IRL (in real life) activism ... you have to be more like a civil rights movement for whites."
Kessler continued to say he was happy to fight without the jokes "to secure a future for my people." He added: "This is war."
When encouraging other White nationalists to post public messages that would goad antifa into fighting them, Kessler said in July in the Charlottesville planning group chat, "I want to talk shit but as the event organizer I can only do so much. People need to bullycide them into confronting the alt-right in Charlottesville.
