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You are more likely to get struck by lightning when there is a lot of lighting around. If you swim in a pond with one piranha you're less likely to get bit then in a pond with 10,000 piranha .. .  more guns = more gun violence.  Not even sure that is controversial, but hey . .

I understand your logic Vin. But, that would mean the only solution would mean to eliminate guns, right?

No, his logic is wrong. Using that same logic there should be a metric crap ton of knife violence because there are alot more knives lying around than guns. There should be a lot of baseball bat violence too. Oddly the area that I live in has a higher rate of gun ownership AND a high number of guns owned per gun owner (the average is over 6 which is flippin' crazy to me) than almost anywhere in the USA and it has a stunningly low rate of gun violence. The firearms are a symptom of other problems not a cause.

That's not true but even if you accept the basic premise you're highlighting MY point.  There are many factors that contribute to violence and gun violence in general, so as a simple example one would expect more gun violence in the south side of Chicago then even a gun heavy affluent community BUT no one has suggested that things are linear. I have suggested - and posted numerous studies to back it up - what should be common sense and that is that we have a lot of gun violence because we have a lot of guns. Of course there are other factors. Gangs are a negative factor but then general affluence is a positive factor. But when you have a lot if guns disputes get settled with guns and not those knives and bats. No better example than the recently Wesley Chapel theater shooting. There are a lot of guns easily available so crooks choose guns over knives and bats ...a lot if people die here as a result of property crimes. Is that even shocking?

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You are more likely to get struck by lightning when there is a lot of lighting around. If you swim in a pond with one piranha you're less likely to get bit then in a pond with 10,000 piranha .. .  more guns = more gun violence.  Not even sure that is controversial, but hey . .

I understand your logic Vin. But, that would mean the only solution would mean to eliminate guns, right?

No, his logic is wrong.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/4-Year-Old-Boy-Fatally-Shot-With-Parents-Gun-259661311.html I will look for the article that says child killed by parents' bat http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/17/roddy-whites-brother-killed-in-south-carolina-shooting/related/ not sure why these guys didint bring a bat to the club, they brought a gun

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You are more likely to get struck by lightning when there is a lot of lighting around. If you swim in a pond with one piranha you're less likely to get bit then in a pond with 10,000 piranha .. .  more guns = more gun violence.  Not even sure that is controversial, but hey . .

I understand your logic Vin. But, that would mean the only solution would mean to eliminate guns, right?

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You are more likely to get struck by lightning when there is a lot of lighting around. If you swim in a pond with one piranha you're less likely to get bit then in a pond with 10,000 piranha .. .  more guns = more gun violence.  Not even sure that is controversial, but hey . .

I understand your logic Vin. But, that would mean the only solution would mean to eliminate guns, right?

No, because there is SO MUCH room to improve between the 30,000 or so deaths/injuries we have in the US per year and ZERO. If you look at all the common preventable death issues that are considered in the Public Health perspective -- things like smoking, cancer, car accidents --- none of them are zeroes, nor will they ever be.  Its the same thing with guns, I don't think anyone says it should be zero, its just that the current effort is to do almost  nothing, or at best very little, and that is primarily PROFIT driven, so we should do something, just like we do with every other Public Health issue to try and REDUCE preventable deaths/injuries.

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