Dal, your last sentence is actually the subject of a recent study. I have posted the link before and will again, but basically the conclusion is that this country has a high number of property crimes and assaults that become murders specifically because the person involve chooses a gun as the weapon. Obviously, availability is part of that process for choosing the gun. Another factor is effectiveness. There are other factors like culture etc, but to deny that availability and effectiveness play a big role would be absurd. More guns = more gun violenceBy the way, have you ever seen a story in the press about a 4 year old accidentally killing himself with his father's baseball bat?
No but we see plenty of them about teenagers accidentally killing themselves with daddy's car or 4 year olds accidentally dying in daddy's pool. You can't make the world perfectly safe.The problem with your study is that you have a self selecting group. Do the people who are willing to kill bring a handgun. As you said it is about choice of efficiency but if you are willing to kill guns don't change the willingness to kill. In other words, short of access to a gun would they be willing to kill with a knife? We have a violence problem, not a tool problem.
Dal, your last sentence is actually the subject of a recent study. I have posted the link before and will again, but basically the conclusion is that this country has a high number of property crimes and assaults that become murders specifically because the person involve chooses a gun as the weapon. Obviously, availability is part of that process for choosing the gun. Another factor is effectiveness. There are other factors like culture etc, but to deny that availability and effectiveness play a big role would be absurd. More guns = more gun violenceBy the way, have you ever seen a story in the press about a 4 year old accidentally killing himself with his father's baseball bat?
No but we see plenty of them about teenagers accidentally killing themselves with daddy's car or 4 year olds accidentally dying in daddy's pool. You can't make the world perfectly safe.
think about what you just posted because you are proving my point for me -- the purpose of cars is transportation, not killing people, and cars are way more regulated than guns (license, registration, insurance etc. ). Pools are for recreation, not killing, and they are more regulated than guns (safety fences, an entire body of law on negligence, insurance requirements, construction requirement)no license, no training, no registration and even being a convicted felon, I can go buy an assault rifle right nowwhy is that? moneyBtw, when you start bring out the strawman arguments it kills your credibility. No one ever said the world needs to be "perfectly safe." I have said it does not make sense to line the pockets of a small industry at the expense of roughly 30,000 deaths a year. How about we just start treating guns like cars and pools, as a start?
We have a violence problem, not a tool problem.
we have a violence problem and the way we choose to deal with it is by offering essentially unfettered access to the most effective "tool" for death . . . and we do that primarily so a small industry can profitthink about how stupid that is
We have a violence problem, not a tool problem.
we have a violence problem and the way we choose to deal with it is by offering essentially unfettered access to the most effective "tool" for death . . . and we do that primarily so a small industry can profitthink about how stupid that is
Stupid is taking some reasonable arguments you are making and turning it into some dumb level of quasi-conspiracy to make money. The USA has a long, long tradition of gun ownership. Hell with things like the minutemen and people like Davy Crocket and Audie Murphy to is part of our national myth. It is something that is, piddle with technical details,enshrined in the founding document of the USA. This isn't about money and I've never heard anyone make the argument that, "gosh guns should be legal so Colt Arms can make a buck" -- and here you can insert your conspiratorial thinking about how people just think it isn't about money.
Dal, your last sentence is actually the subject of a recent study. I have posted the link before and will again, but basically the conclusion is that this country has a high number of property crimes and assaults that become murders specifically because the person involve chooses a gun as the weapon. Obviously, availability is part of that process for choosing the gun. Another factor is effectiveness. There are other factors like culture etc, but to deny that availability and effectiveness play a big role would be absurd. More guns = more gun violenceBy the way, have you ever seen a story in the press about a 4 year old accidentally killing himself with his father's baseball bat?
No but we see plenty of them about teenagers accidentally killing themselves with daddy's car or 4 year olds accidentally dying in daddy's pool. You can't make the world perfectly safe.
think about what you just posted because you are proving my point for me -- the purpose of cars is transportation, not killing people, and cars are way more regulated than guns (license, registration, insurance etc. ). Pools are for recreation, not killing, and they are more regulated than guns (safety fences, an entire body of law on negligence, insurance requirements, construction requirement)no license, no training, no registration and even being a convicted felon, I can go buy an assault rifle right nowwhy is that? moneyBtw, when you start bring out the strawman arguments it kills your credibility. No one ever said the world needs to be "perfectly safe." I have said it does not make sense to line the pockets of a small industry at the expense of roughly 30,000 deaths a year. How about we just start treating guns like cars and pools, as a start?
Well because as you pointed out those things, despite the regulations,still fail to protect everyone. Not sure that having insurance is gonna stop Gary Gangbanger from killing people in Chicago for example. Licenses don't stop people from being dumb in cars and driving them drunk or texting so I'm not sure why you have such gaudy expectations that a gun license would save a single life.
