The quote in its entirety: "I conveniently ignored it because you are an idiot, and a dishonest one at that. Gun violence has declined sharply over the last two decades. Violence overall has declined over the last two decades. As a percentage of the whole, gun violence has remained the same, but let's be absolutely clear here: gun violence has declined dramatically. There is no getting around that. During that same period, gun ownership increased a lot. The percentage of households with guns did not rise, nor would one expect it to in an increasingly urban population. The number of guns went up though. It went up a lot.So, to review: amount of gun violence = way down, amount of guns = way up. Anyone telling you that "MORE GUNS = MORE GUN VIOLENCE" is just flat out wrong, and likely an inbred, bucktoothed halfwit with penis breath and a mullet."
someone just needs attention.
Illuminator has spoken . . . once again . . . out both sides of his mouth:
Less guns in the wrong hands decreases gun violence. .
. Anyone telling you that "MORE GUNS = MORE GUN VIOLENCE" is just flat out wrong, and likely an inbred, bucktoothed halfwit with penis breath and a mullet."
lmao . . . . Illuminator, you might want to go see CBW for a lesson in retreating from exposed intellectual dishonesty
Funny thing is Vin, is that in this thread you are advocating and supporting removing illegally owned firearms from the hands of criminals. I don't think anybody is against that. The problem is removing legally owned firearms from the hands of law abiding citizens. ONE of the arguments against the current wave of proposals is that they do exactly that and the bad guys still have theirs. And you can't say the wouldn't, otherwise, why the big discussion about stop and frisk?
Roses are redViolets are blueI've got a gunGet in the van
The insane thing is that the article says nothing really about taking away guns or gun control at all. .
"Less than two weeks later, those steps led to the arrest of one of the Rockwell Boys for the shooting. It wasn’t a kid from the original four, but an associate police found through the same network. At the same time, in the days the case was open, McNaughton’s cops were all over the predicted scenes. They made a dozen more arrests than in the same period the year before, catching one of the Rockwell Boys with a gun a block from where they expected the next spree — a shootout that McNaughton says never did happen."That is a Stop & Frisk and the reason that they are having success in Chicago is not just that they are using data to predict a future crime and then flooding the potential scene -- although that is a part, the presence helps -- it is that they are using Stop & Frisk. Look again where the new police chief came from. It's discussed in the article:“Chicago is the new New York when it comes to stop-and-frisk,” said Harvey Grossman, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union in Illinois.There's plenty more info available. From a simple Google search:How stop and frisk works in Chicago | Bleader | Chicago Readerwww.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/.../how-stop-and-frisk-works-in-chicag...?Aug 26, 2013 - Police practices in Chicago may be less flawed than New York's, but they cause the same tensions between public safety and personal liberty.Poor data keep Chicago's stop and frisk hidden from scrutiny | WBEZ ...www.wbez.org/.../poor-data-keeps-chicagos-stop-and-frisk-hidden-scruti...?Sep 12, 2013 - In Chicago, stop and frisk is alive and well – but relatively unchecked. Encounters with Chicago police officers often begin with a little-known ...Chicago, New York officers spar over stop-and-frisk policy - CNN.comwww.cnn.com/2013/08/14/us/new-york-chicago-stop-frisk?Aug 14, 2013 - Police departments in Chicago and New York are trading barbs after a federal judge ruled that New York City's stop-and-frisk policy was ...Stop and frisk in Chicago - Interesting Chicago - ChicagoNowwww.chicagonow.com/interesting-chicago/.../stop-and-frisk-in-chicago/?..
Again, the "frisk" of that story was fairly incident, to what they are talking about. The fact that the data analysis pointed them to associates of the shooter and to the location is really what it is about and then go figure when they detain suspects they search them. This program is actually quite interesting as I read more on it and a lot more interesting than being reduced to a simple stop and frisk policy.
