Yes, not enough to be considered a racist act. You are right.
I'm talking to a wall that doesn't understand logic.
Sounds like you need help.
No, you're trying to create a rule for a word, a part of speech. It really is pretty iffy. Nice to see good intentions - but measuring the intentions of others choice of words to create a situation where a referee can judge/penalize is going to be pretty tough both for a starting point and final listing of words that are racist without knowing one's intent.
Some monumental levels of hypocrisy going on here. https://www.pewterreport.com/Boards/index.php/topic,1306790.0.html
"In the heat of battle it is human nature to sometimes yell an obscenity."For a white man to indulge in that 'human nature' legally qualifies his following actions as a hate crime.
And mostly likely a fat lip
Sounds like you need help.
Lol. I suggest you read the news first, but of course, anyone can put any words together. After all, aren't they just words? http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2013/08/01/nfl-player-uses-racial-slur-where-riley-cooper-and-the-philadelphia-eagles-go-from-here/ http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/31/riley-cooper-apologizes-for-racist-comment/ I can find more for you if you'd like, including NFL Player commentaries where they chastise him.So now, "N*****" wasn't perceived as racist when Riley used it?Lol
I insist that parents can't control everything that their kids are exposed to, and not to make excuses for poor parents out there, but saying kids shouldn't be allowed to watch a sport is absurd. What we're doing is making excuses for the players to run their mouths afoul by declaring racism "a part of football" - THAT is nonsense.
Right, controlling everything your child is exposed to is impossible, so why should players in the NFL be the ones to do it for them?In the heat of battle it is human nature to sometimes yell an obscenity. I make excuses for no one. I argue based on principal. If you think your child is not mature enough to distinguish good sportsmanship from bad sportsmanship during a football game then you should be there to educate them about the subject when something shameful occurs. If you cannot at least do that than, no, they should not be watching sports. Period.
We're not censoring profanity, we're censoring RACISM. There is a huge difference. We're not censoring a stress-relieving F bomb, we're censoring "F you N**", "you're nothing but a N***", etc. How is that ever ok? You ARE making an excuse, there is NO place for racism in sports, or do you believe being racist is perfectly understandable? And please don't give me the "the n-word doesn't carry the same connotation it once did" because I guarantee you at least some blacks all over the US would go crazy if a white guy used it (look at Incognito).
Would you say that anyone that calls someone that word is in fact a racist?Or is the word just a part of their vernacular?When I call my friend a dumbass, idiot or retard, do I really believe they are those things? Or is it part of our speech?
Absolutely not. I too use "dumbass", "idiot", etc. But these don't carry racist connotations, and we cannot let the Referee decide who's being racist and who's using it as a "term of endearment" (THAT is giving them subjective power). But I use any of those words above in ANY other work environment, I'm guilty of harassment. If there is a place for these words it's at home. The fact that you, or I, are desensitized, does not mean we are not making derogatory claims. Go up to your boss and call him an idiot, and see how it goes. My point is that we cannot impose this "vernacular" of ours onto anyone. Objectively, these terms are derogatory. The N bomb is racist, period. Whether someone chooses to interpret it as racist is not up to anyone, but that person alone, and because of that we need to make it a universal rule (applying to both blacks and non-blacks) - because it would be interpreted as racist by at least some people.I don't care what they do about profanity as a whole, I played football, I understand the trash talk, the insults, the mind games, etc. There is ZERO room, or need, for racism in football.
So would it be better for society and the culture as a whole if these words lost their power and meaning?Or is it better for people to get upset, angry and emotional over a mere vibration of the vocal chords?
It would be better for people to actually become civilized and stop being racist.Is it so far fetched to believe that words have meanings? In the real world - not in the hood with your bros - and in our legal system, there are consequences for failing to correctly select one's words.
Every generation of Americans becomes more tolerant and less racist. So you already get that. Now answer my question.
I insist that parents can't control everything that their kids are exposed to, and not to make excuses for poor parents out there, but saying kids shouldn't be allowed to watch a sport is absurd. What we're doing is making excuses for the players to run their mouths afoul by declaring racism "a part of football" - THAT is nonsense.
Right, controlling everything your child is exposed to is impossible, so why should players in the NFL be the ones to do it for them?In the heat of battle it is human nature to sometimes yell an obscenity. I make excuses for no one. I argue based on principal. If you think your child is not mature enough to distinguish good sportsmanship from bad sportsmanship during a football game then you should be there to educate them about the subject when something shameful occurs. If you cannot at least do that than, no, they should not be watching sports. Period.
We're not censoring profanity, we're censoring RACISM. There is a huge difference. We're not censoring a stress-relieving F bomb, we're censoring "F you N**", "you're nothing but a N", etc. How is that ever ok? You ARE making an excuse, there is NO place for racism in sports, or do you believe being racist is perfectly understandable? And please don't give me the "the n-word doesn't carry the same connotation it once did" because I guarantee you at least some blacks all over the US would go crazy if a white guy used it (look at Incognito).
Would you say that anyone that calls someone that word is in fact a racist?Or is the word just a part of their vernacular?When I call my friend a dumbass, idiot or retard, do I really believe they are those things? Or is it part of our speech?
Absolutely not. I too use "dumbass", "idiot", etc. But these don't carry racist connotations, and we cannot let the Referee decide who's being racist and who's using it as a "term of endearment" (THAT is giving them subjective power). But I use any of those words above in ANY other work environment, I'm guilty of harassment. If there is a place for these words it's at home. The fact that you, or I, are desensitized, does not mean we are not making derogatory claims. Go up to your boss and call him an idiot, and see how it goes. My point is that we cannot impose this "vernacular" of ours onto anyone. Objectively, these terms are derogatory. The N bomb is racist, period. Whether someone chooses to interpret it as racist is not up to anyone, but that person alone, and because of that we need to make it a universal rule (applying to both blacks and non-blacks) - because it would be interpreted as racist by at least some people.I don't care what they do about profanity as a whole, I played football, I understand the trash talk, the insults, the mind games, etc. There is ZERO room, or need, for racism in football.
So would it be better for society and the culture as a whole if these words lost their power and meaning?Or is it better for people to get upset, angry and emotional over a mere vibration of the vocal chords?
It would be better for people to actually become civilized and stop being racist.Is it so far fetched to believe that words have meanings? In the real world - not in the hood with your bros - and in our legal system, there are consequences for failing to correctly select one's words.
Every generation of Americans becomes more tolerant and less racist. So you already get that. Now answer my question.
Are you implying words are "mere vibrations of vocal chords"? Again, words, as unfortunate as it may seem, have meaning.But to answer your question, yes it would be better for people to not "get upset over mere vibrations of vocal chords", but since racism isn't a "mere vibration of vocal chords", we are still at a disconnect. You relegate N** to a mere word, and subsequently a mere utterance - in my opinion, it is much more than both.
Easily my least favorite word in our language. I teach middle school in an area that's about 60/40 white to black. These kids just throw the word around like its nothing. Have no real concept of what it means. They just hear rappers saying it and assume its cool. So frustrating.
Why would that be frustrating? It's actually the best thing that can happen.
I insist that parents can't control everything that their kids are exposed to, and not to make excuses for poor parents out there, but saying kids shouldn't be allowed to watch a sport is absurd. What we're doing is making excuses for the players to run their mouths afoul by declaring racism "a part of football" - THAT is nonsense.
Right, controlling everything your child is exposed to is impossible, so why should players in the NFL be the ones to do it for them?In the heat of battle it is human nature to sometimes yell an obscenity. I make excuses for no one. I argue based on principal. If you think your child is not mature enough to distinguish good sportsmanship from bad sportsmanship during a football game then you should be there to educate them about the subject when something shameful occurs. If you cannot at least do that than, no, they should not be watching sports. Period.
We're not censoring profanity, we're censoring RACISM. There is a huge difference. We're not censoring a stress-relieving F bomb, we're censoring "F you N**", "you're nothing but a N", etc. How is that ever ok? You ARE making an excuse, there is NO place for racism in sports, or do you believe being racist is perfectly understandable? And please don't give me the "the n-word doesn't carry the same connotation it once did" because I guarantee you at least some blacks all over the US would go crazy if a white guy used it (look at Incognito).
Would you say that anyone that calls someone that word is in fact a racist?Or is the word just a part of their vernacular?When I call my friend a dumbass, idiot or retard, do I really believe they are those things? Or is it part of our speech?
Absolutely not. I too use "dumbass", "idiot", etc. But these don't carry racist connotations, and we cannot let the Referee decide who's being racist and who's using it as a "term of endearment" (THAT is giving them subjective power). But I use any of those words above in ANY other work environment, I'm guilty of harassment. If there is a place for these words it's at home. The fact that you, or I, are desensitized, does not mean we are not making derogatory claims. Go up to your boss and call him an idiot, and see how it goes. My point is that we cannot impose this "vernacular" of ours onto anyone. Objectively, these terms are derogatory. The N bomb is racist, period. Whether someone chooses to interpret it as racist is not up to anyone, but that person alone, and because of that we need to make it a universal rule (applying to both blacks and non-blacks) - because it would be interpreted as racist by at least some people.I don't care what they do about profanity as a whole, I played football, I understand the trash talk, the insults, the mind games, etc. There is ZERO room, or need, for racism in football.
So would it be better for society and the culture as a whole if these words lost their power and meaning?Or is it better for people to get upset, angry and emotional over a mere vibration of the vocal chords?
It would be better for people to actually become civilized and stop being racist.Is it so far fetched to believe that words have meanings? In the real world - not in the hood with your bros - and in our legal system, there are consequences for failing to correctly select one's words.
Every generation of Americans becomes more tolerant and less racist. So you already get that. Now answer my question.
Are you implying words are "mere vibrations of vocal chords"? Again, words, as unfortunate as it may seem, have meaning.But to answer your question, yes it would be better for people to not "get upset over mere vibrations of vocal chords", but since racism isn't a "mere vibration of vocal chords", we are still at a disconnect. You relegate N** to a mere word, and subsequently a mere utterance - in my opinion, it is much more than both.
Do you think that the majority of people that use the word frequently are in fact racist? Do you think I'm racist?
Its a very slippery slope. If it wasn't enforced equally across the board, it would a real clusterfuck out there. There has been incidents where officials were accused of using the N-word during games. So if a guy like that is officiating the game, he could just ignore players using the word. It just seems it would be very subjective enforcement.
"Unsportsmanlike language on #sonso! Five lashes with a whip and first down!"
Okay, that was racist as hell.
"Unsportsmanlike language on #sonso! Five lashes with a whip and first down!"
LOL
What happens if you call someone a fag? or a cr acker ? What if someone calls Oher a retard? Or a whole host of other ethnic slurs for every nationality?