Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
There is a big gap between "garbage" and "good/solid #2 DE".
True but he was a ROOKIE that played well at times even though the coaching sucked. It's safe to assume that he'll be better going in to his second year.I have more faith in him being a good DE than "potential" packed Daquan bowers.
He was certainly a rookie and there is the expectation for growth...but how much? There is a reason why he was there for us to take in the 5th round. Can he rise up and overcome that and be a good #2 option for us? No one is saying that is impossible. Thing is, every single year for the past...well seems like f*cking forever, the Bucs have settled with rolling into camp with these types of players who showed "flashes" or "high motor" on a few plays from the previous year. It seems to burn us every year. If I had time this morning, I would go back and search for some of the crap that was said about 110 snap Aaron Morgan last year, and how he "played well at times" and was going to be a solid option going forward for us. I get that the coaching wasn't very good...but GMC played beastly all year, LVD played beastly all year, Mason was very very solid...etc. You can blame coaching to a certain extent, but past a certain point it could just be that a guys ceiling really may not be all that high. He will have his shot, and he may in fact turn out to be that DE who takes the 2nd or 2rd most snaps and ends up being very disruptive...im not seeing it though. I don't think it would be wise to hang our pass rushing hopes on just the edge rushers that we have on the roster. I would add at least one more in the first 3 rounds.
I'm in total agreement about the need to not rest on what we have, but I'm also definitely more keen on Gholston than you Chace. I wouldn't hand him the starting job, but I think there's reason to believe he has some upside. He was incredibly raw at MSU, and while in some ways his athleticism is overrated (not super twitchy, not very fast), he's got more power/strength than he's given credit for too. He was considered lazy by the draftocracy coming out of MSU, but I'm not sure that's quite right - I think sometimes it's easy to confuse laziness with the lack of technique - is he dancing with the tackle because he's taken the play off, or because he didn't use his hands right or lost leverage? I think in his case it was more often the latter (I watched a fair amount of MSU - my wife is a Spartan). He's a guy I really want to see with the new DC and maybe even more importantly with someone like Michael Johnson around.
I never said he didn't have upside. My overall point was just that we have not seen enough of him to warrant passing in DE talent. I certainly am not rooting against the guy and hope that he lives up to the hype that has built here on the boards and elsewhere. I just still do not see anything stellar about our overall group of DEs. I see a good DE in MDJ, a solid #3 DE in Clayborn, and a few rotational guys. We need more at the position. If Gholston beats out Clayborn and the new draftee for snaps, then excellent.
Paul McQuistan was signed by the Browns today. One more experienced guard off the market.
Sooo.. nobody has been saying that then.That's Classic JDub... "I need to prove my point, so I'll just pull this out of my arse. Doesn't have to be true or make any sense but oh well."
I just walked back in on this, but:Page 67 of this thread:
To be fair, the young man showed alot of growth despite the turmoil and questionable coaching. In truth, I'm expecting Gholston to start...
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Who are these folks that "wanna crown him a starter"?
What am I missing? I'd have to thread necro, but I think it's unfair to say that multiple posters on this forum have not either implied they think Gholston will start or flat out said it. As Seattle so clearly demonstrated, "starting" defensive ends can be somewhat deceiving. I would be shocked if Gholston takes more snaps at defensive end in 2014 then Clayborn (assuming both go through the season healthy).
I never said he didn't have upside.
I didn't think you did - I just got the sense that I like his upside a bit more than you. I pretty much agree with everything else you said.
Sooo.. nobody has been saying that then.That's Classic JDub... "I need to prove my point, so I'll just pull this out of my arse. Doesn't have to be true or make any sense but oh well."
I just walked back in on this, but:Page 67 of this thread:
To be fair, the young man showed alot of growth despite the turmoil and questionable coaching. In truth, I'm expecting Gholston to start...
Page 68 of this thread:
Who are these folks that "wanna crown him a starter"?
What am I missing? I'd have to thread necro, but I think it's unfair to say that multiple posters on this forum have not either implied they think Gholston will start or flat out said it. As Seattle so clearly demonstrated, "starting" defensive ends can be somewhat deceiving. I would be shocked if Gholston takes more snaps at defensive end in 2014 then Clayborn (assuming both go through the season healthy).
"expecting" him to start = he had a strong finish and with the right work ethic and lack of competitive options, I think he will be the starter given his size and ability to impact play (plays the run well and ability to bat passes down). This happens if the stars align correctly."crowning" him as starter = handing him the job because he's already earned it. This happens because I say it will.No need to get deep with this...it's a case of looking for drama where none exists...but hey it's a slow day I guess.
"expecting" him to start = he had a strong finish and with the right work ethic and lack of competitive options, I think he will be the starter given his size and ability to impact play (plays the run well and ability to bat passes down). This happens if the stars align correctly."crowning" him as starter = handing him the job because he's already earned it. This happens because I say it will.No need to get deep with this...it's a case of looking for drama where none exists...but hey it's a slow day I guess.
"expecting" him to start = he had a strong finish and with the right work ethic and lack of competitive options, I think he will be the starter given his size and ability to impact play (plays the run well and ability to bat passes down). This happens if the stars align correctly."crowning" him as starter = handing him the job because he's already earned it. This happens because I say it will.No need to get deep with this...it's a case of looking for drama where none exists...but hey it's a slow day I guess.
indeed.
Lol. Thanks threadkiller. I didn't bother though because it is pointless. You proved them wrong as plain as day and the result is "No need to get deep with this" and youngone disappears completely. It's really a waste of your time to go searching for evidence. Let em have their fun.
Let em have their fun.
Well it should be "fun" shouldn't it...or would you prefer that I be mad?
Lol. Thanks threadkiller. I didn't bother though because it is pointless. You proved them wrong as plain as day and the result is "No need to get deep with this" and youngone disappears completely. It's really a waste of your time to go searching for evidence. Let em have their fun.
Translation: Thanks threadkiller. I was knee deep in my own poo again and couldn't prove anything on my own. You saved me... My hero. :-*It's all good and fun.
Some advice if you wish to accept it JD....don't take this stuff too seriously man.
Lol. Thanks threadkiller. I didn't bother though because it is pointless. You proved them wrong as plain as day and the result is "No need to get deep with this" and youngone disappears completely. It's really a waste of your time to go searching for evidence. Let em have their fun.
Translation: Thanks threadkiller. I was knee deep in my own poo again and couldn't prove anything on my own. You saved me... My hero. :-*It's all good and fun.
Jdud spends a lot of time knee deep in his own poo .What this all boils down to is this moronic little dweeb declared Gholston a bust and a wasted pick immediately after the pick came in , and now he has to work overtime to downplay any optimism reasonable fans may have for the player.
Some advice if you wish to accept it JD....don't take this stuff too seriously man.
I don't take any of it seriously bro. That's why I don't waste my time looking for proof to appease 12 year old trolls. Not you, but .....you know.
and now over the last few months, especially since we signed Johnson, folks have been talking about Gholston being our starting LDE over Clayborn
one person said it one time
Who said Gholston should be our starter? I think Claybirn will play on the left side if he can do that physically. I'd rather have him on the field than off the field. May not get all the sacks but he is a good player.
