Who was the TE who was flashing in the preseason,…we has like the GO to TE in the last couple of quarters of the 3rd and 4th game and flashed some potential. I think he wound up on the practice squad maybe. Why not water a guy like that and give him some reps with the grown ups and see if he can even stay on his feet, coach a Guy up and see he responds. Ko had a decent preseason as well, he was teasing being a mean blocking and pass catching TE, problem was…real games were, “different” for him, maybe too much pressure too soon. Can Ko grow into a solid and reliable blocker and pass catcher…if so that would be helpful for the team. I hope he’s working on his craft now that he’s got some free time.
Bucs do have some projects at TE but the Bucs really need a true 2 way TE that can smash in the run game but catch down the seem. Otton seems more like a secondary TE, Kieft is more of a special teams blocker. Durham may develop as a blocker and may sneap up the depth chart because he was able to take a roster spot away from another player as a rookie.
But improving the interior OL is one part of improving the run game as the Bucs desperately need a competent blocking TE that can also catch passes.
Bucs do have some projects at TE but the Bucs really need a true 2 way TE that can smash in the run game but catch down the seem
Who’d you have in mind?
I really like Sanders, but he’d cost us a 2nd and I think the value isn’t great.
Bucs do have some projects at TE but the Bucs really need a true 2 way TE that can smash in the run game but catch down the seem
Who’d you have in mind?
I really like Sanders, but he’d cost us a 2nd and I think the value isn’t great.
Balls move. Rob G. What would it take, if it was me, I’d challenge him to a friendly competition. For one year, prove that he hasn’t yet jumped the shark! Or has he lost the magic touch??? Burn baby burn! I dunno, the real ones never lose it. I mean he still a giant human being and not terribly old, he knows how to block and catch clutch plays. I dunno, I’d get him drunk or something…tease him, tell him he’s too old and “soft 😂” to play. That kinda challenge makes me wanna set my coffee down, momentarily, sometimes just to trade if for a beer, just so I can have a doubter hold my beer for a second 😂 while I casually flex 😂. Remember when Michael Jordan showed up impromptu at the Bulls practice just to 1v1 and embarrass Benjamin, yeah…we don’t like to be doubted…ever. That’s what I would do, he’s friendly with our top brass, it’s amazing how much work friends can accomplish over a beer…or 7ish.
I’ve seen a handful of recent mocks with us taking Barton with our 1st pick.
LT that would move inside.
I’ve seen a handful of recent mocks with us taking Barton with our 1st pick.
LT that would move inside.
hard to argue with a pick to sure up the trenches
I’ve seen a handful of recent mocks with us taking Barton with our 1st pick.
LT that would move inside.
hard to argue with a pick to sure up the trenches
I get it.
Just not a fan of iOL in the 1st round (especially one that’s converting from OT), as it’s usually poor value.
I think Licht would agree with you. Licht's O-line picks.I’ve seen a handful of recent mocks with us taking Barton with our 1st pick.
LT that would move inside.
hard to argue with a pick to sure up the trenches
I get it.
Just not a fan of iOL in the 1st round (especially one that’s converting from OT), as it’s usually poor value.
Day 1 O-line starters = 1: Wirfs.
Day 2 O-line starters = 6: Cappa, Marpet, Mauch, Hainsey, Smith, Goedeke
Day 3 O-line starters = 2: Benenoch and Pamphile
O-line bust picks = 1: Kadeem Edwards.
9 of 10 Licht O-line picks became starters.
6 of 10 were on Day 2. The only Day 1 pick was destined to be a LT, a priority position.
The Day 3 picks were all Round 5 froma 2014 and 2016.
For the last seven drafts, except for Wirfs, Licht has drafted O-line only on Day 2.
0 of 19 6th and 7th round picks Licht has made have been O-line. Not one in 10 years.
That's a pattern which I don't expect him to diverge from. I doubt he has a firm and fast rule, but he has a knack for finding his guys on Day 2 and if it ain't broke.....
I think Licht would agree with you. Licht's O-line picks.I’ve seen a handful of recent mocks with us taking Barton with our 1st pick.
LT that would move inside.
hard to argue with a pick to sure up the trenches
I get it.
Just not a fan of iOL in the 1st round (especially one that’s converting from OT), as it’s usually poor value.
Day 1 O-line starters = 1: Wirfs.
Day 2 O-line starters = 6: Cappa, Marpet, Mauch, Hainsey, Smith, Goedeke
Day 3 O-line starters = 2: Benenoch and Pamphile
O-line bust picks = 1: Kadeem Edwards.
9 of 10 Licht O-line picks became starters.
6 of 10 were on Day 2. The only Day 1 pick was destined to be a LT, a priority position.
The Day 3 picks were all Round 5 froma 2014 and 2016.
For the last seven drafts, except for Wirfs, Licht has drafted O-line only on Day 2.
0 of 19 6th and 7th round picks Licht has made have been O-line. Not one in 10 years.
That's a pattern which I don't expect him to diverge from. I doubt he has a firm and fast rule, but he has a knack for finding his guys on Day 2 and if it ain't broke.....
Great post. Never thought of it in that way. Wonder how that compares to the league overall ie are most O-line starts second day? Probably? Still, intersting to see the stats gathered like that.
did Baltimore reset after Flacco?
what about the chiefs after smith?
or the eagles after wentz? The cowboys after romo?
no such thing for good franchises
I like your thinking. You want to do what they did.
Which QB do you want to take with our 1st or 2nd round pick in this year’s draft?
Seems to be only 3 potential franchise caliber QBs - Williams, Maye, and Daniels. The rest would be waste of time - (most likely of course, just talking odds here.)
I didnt like that Caleb cried in his mothers arms after a loss one game. Not sure how he is going to be a leader of men. Let the Bears or Commanders take him.
Wouldn't be opposed to the other 2. what i wouldn't want though is the trade up needed to attain a shot at one of those QBs, mortgage our future and they wind up being Trey Lance.
i think we sit 2024 out in terms of that "Lawrence...errr. Daniel Jones...errr Zach Wilson...ehhh" nah you get the point. I think we run it back in 2024 see how Mayfield does...and in 2025 if he is the preverable butt cheeks, then we likely have a better draft selection to have a chance to take another swing at it
drafting a QB in the first 4 rounds this year would likely be a wasted pick, like ....ehhh you get the point.
Heard Licht has always liked to take college OT’s and move them inside… unless JPJ drops, Day 2 is where the best value is for interior linemen, which is exactly what we need.
Best value where we pick in round 1 is typically DB’s - and that is also a BIG need for Buc’s. Again, unless Center JPJ drops, that’s the pick at #26.
did Baltimore reset after Flacco?
what about the chiefs after smith?
or the eagles after wentz? The cowboys after romo?
no such thing for good franchises
I like your thinking. You want to do what they did.
Which QB do you want to take with our 1st or 2nd round pick in this year’s draft?
Seems to be only 3 potential franchise caliber QBs - Williams, Maye, and Daniels. The rest would be waste of time - (most likely of course, just talking odds here.)
I didnt like that Caleb cried in his mothers arms after a loss one game. Not sure how he is going to be a leader of men. Let the Bears or Commanders take him.
Wouldn't be opposed to the other 2. what i wouldn't want though is the trade up needed to attain a shot at one of those QBs, mortgage our future and they wind up being Trey Lance.
i think we sit 2024 out in terms of that "Lawrence...errr. Daniel Jones...errr Zach Wilson...ehhh" nah you get the point. I think we run it back in 2024 see how Mayfield does...and in 2025 if he is the preverable butt cheeks, then we likely have a better draft selection to have a chance to take another swing at it
drafting a QB in the first 4 rounds this year would likely be a wasted pick, like ....ehhh you get the point.
Well thought out and also "felt" out. Very reasonable and fair for pretty much everyone, aside from the agents collecting commission (which is still Millions of dollars-Oh, the hard life.)
Heard Licht has always liked to take college OT’s and move them inside… unless JPJ drops, Day 2 is where the best value is for interior linemen, which is exactly what we need.
Best value where we pick in round 1 is typically DB’s - and that is also a BIG need for Buc’s. Again, unless Center JPJ drops, that’s the pick at #26.
It it was me. Ot to G or C Licht Oline Draft Magic, he'll even find it somewhere like at a small "never heard of school, " yeah Ali Marpet says he'got'it'like'dat! So Licht is gonna find an olinemen in the second round unless a Blue chip prospect falls in his lap at 26 (that's the pick right?), hx says its been working why "fix" what ain't broke. What I would do is look real hard at DB's and real LB'rs, not the DE LB's, that's what its called in the 3/4 defense kinda, anyway. We NEED TO fill the hole left by Devin White. WE CANNOT keep getting gashed for 7-12 pass plays up the in the gut of where D White should be defending these passes. He sucked at it, the only thing he was good at were QB sacks and RB "sacks" (ie TFL). Otherwise he didn't seem to know that passing the football is an option in This game. Then consider, consider hard, whether Britt can do better in the run game (I say yes on that one even TODAY), but can he cover the middle of the field with some help from AW3! and put a stop to opposing teams just dissecting us there. If he CANT, whose available in the FIRST round? If Britt CAN be capable in pass coverage...well then whose the best cover Corner left to us at out pick. Maybe trade a few late round picks and move up a few spots if there's a Guy that falls near to our pick.
TLDR- Let Licht handle Oline pick, prolly a surprise monster pick from an unheard of small school.
Second round- Replace D. White, Can Britt grow into being the Guy in short and intermediate pass coverage as well as a reliable run stuffer? If not, whose the Best LBr to fill that void that will be available at out pick at 26? If he can...then
Consider CB. Dean is, unfortunately, an injury magnet. Bill Parcells says availability is an IMPORTANT ability, if you can stay healthy we gotta pick the best cover corner with the next pick. Then depth depth ST, maybe a TE.
First 3 picks are CRUCIAL for success next year. They ALL have to contribute year 1. 4th round down...pick quality developmental picks and put them in a position to reach their potential.
Thats a Mart* and simple approach that...I think would be Reasonable.
I don't know how it compares either. Just speculating on why Licht hasn't drafted O-line on Day 3 in seven years. I'm guessing he wants speed and tackling for special teams. Day 3 is where Licht has drafted 9 linebackers, 7 WRs, 4 CBs. Only 1 safety. A little of everything else. Maybe he thinks Day 3 O-linemen are such a crap shoot that you might as well just get the depth guys off the scrap heap. At least some of them have experience.I think Licht would agree with you. Licht's O-line picks.I’ve seen a handful of recent mocks with us taking Barton with our 1st pick.
LT that would move inside.
hard to argue with a pick to sure up the trenches
I get it.
Just not a fan of iOL in the 1st round (especially one that’s converting from OT), as it’s usually poor value.
Day 1 O-line starters = 1: Wirfs.
Day 2 O-line starters = 6: Cappa, Marpet, Mauch, Hainsey, Smith, Goedeke
Day 3 O-line starters = 2: Benenoch and Pamphile
O-line bust picks = 1: Kadeem Edwards.
9 of 10 Licht O-line picks became starters.
6 of 10 were on Day 2. The only Day 1 pick was destined to be a LT, a priority position.
The Day 3 picks were all Round 5 froma 2014 and 2016.
For the last seven drafts, except for Wirfs, Licht has drafted O-line only on Day 2.
0 of 19 6th and 7th round picks Licht has made have been O-line. Not one in 10 years.
That's a pattern which I don't expect him to diverge from. I doubt he has a firm and fast rule, but he has a knack for finding his guys on Day 2 and if it ain't broke.....
Great post. Never thought of it in that way. Wonder how that compares to the league overall ie are most O-line starts second day? Probably? Still, intersting to see the stats gathered like that.
The O-line depth consists entirely of free agent pickups, one from waivers- Stinnie, Skule, Leverett, Walton, Feiler were not drafted by the Bucs. The depth of the O-line can certainly be questioned. Who knows maybe this year will be different.
Day 1 O-line starters = 1: Wirfs.
Day 2 O-line starters = 6: Cappa, Marpet, Mauch, Hainsey, Smith, Goedeke
Day 3 O-line starters = 2: Benenoch and Pamphile
O-line bust picks = 1: Kadeem Edwards.
9 of 10 Licht O-line picks became starters.
6 of 10 were on Day 2. The only Day 1 pick was destined to be a LT, a priority position.
The Day 3 picks were all Round 5 froma 2014 and 2016.
For the last seven drafts, except for Wirfs, Licht has drafted O-line only on Day 2.
0 of 19 6th and 7th round picks Licht has made have been O-line. Not one in 10 years.
Good info, TF. Thanks for the work.
