Dirk was so good , he was one and done as a HC .the Stick carriers loved him
Players played hard for him till the end. Just didn't have enough on defense because of 4 years of poor drafting.
Might be blaming Mike Smith for a Licht problem.
I'm blaming Mike Smith for a Mike Smith problem. The defense got worse every year he was there, finishing out as one of the worst defenses in the NFL. That's not an opinion.
You, however, are blaming Licht for a Mike Smith/DK problem. It's fairly common for you to lay something that isn't on the GM at Licht's feet.
Might be blaming Mike Smith for a Licht problem.
I'm blaming Mike Smith for a Mike Smith problem. The defense got worse every year he was there, finishing out as one of the worst defenses in the NFL. That's not an opinion.
You, however, are blaming Licht for a Mike Smith/DK problem. It's fairly common for you to lay something that isn't on the GM at Licht's feet.
You mentioned Winston's turnovers and the defense as to why Koetter didn't win here. No head coach is winning when in a 4 year span when you draft a bust QB #1 and no quality defensive starters in 4 years. When Arians took over basically the same roster structure the Bucs went 7-9 and were 29th in points allowed.
It was Licht's fault, Brady was so special he made up for it, and now we're back to the 2014-2019 Bucs.
When Arians took over basically the same roster structure the Bucs went 7-9 and were 29th in points allowed.
While this is true, it leaves out the marked improvement of the defense, going from 27th overall in 2018 to 15th overall in 2019. Yes, the points given up were still high because Winston was still handing out turnovers (30 fuggin' interceptions in 2019) like Santa on Christmas morn, but the defense improved dramatically from one year to the next.
As you said, "basically the same roster" went from 27th overall defense to 15th overall defense.
It was Licht's fault
I bet you have this is stitched on a pillow somewhere.
When Arians took over basically the same roster structure the Bucs went 7-9 and were 29th in points allowed.
While this is true, it leaves out the marked improvement of the defense, going from 27th overall in 2018 to 15th overall in 2019. Yes, the points given up were still high because Winston was still handing out turnovers (30 fuggin' interceptions in 2019) like Santa on Christmas morn, but the defense improved dramatically from one year to the next.
As you said, "basically the same roster" went from 27th overall defense to 15th overall defense.
It was Licht's fault
I bet you have this is stitched on a pillow somewhere.
Just like I'll blame Licht for 2014-2018 I'll give him credit for rebuilt defense. Barrett was a great signing in 2019, Vea, Whitehead and Davis were in year 2 and he loaded up on defense in 2019 draft: White, SMB, Dean, Edwards, Nelson. But Koetter didn't have any of these players except rookie Vea, Whitehead and Davis. The rosters Koetter had were in no condition to win, just like 2019 with Arians and Bowles started 3-7.
When Arians took over basically the same roster structure the Bucs went 7-9 and were 29th in points allowed.
While this is true, it leaves out the marked improvement of the defense, going from 27th overall in 2018 to 15th overall in 2019. Yes, the points given up were still high because Winston was still handing out turnovers (30 fuggin' interceptions in 2019) like Santa on Christmas morn, but the defense improved dramatically from one year to the next.
As you said, "basically the same roster" went from 27th overall defense to 15th overall defense.
It was Licht's fault
I bet you have this is stitched on a pillow somewhere.
Just like I'll blame Licht for 2014-2018 I'll give him credit for rebuilt defense. Barrett was a great signing in 2019, Vea, Whitehead and Davis were in year 2 and he loaded up on defense in 2019 draft: White, SMB, Dean, Edwards, Nelson. But Koetter didn't have any of these players except rookie Vea, Whitehead and Davis. The rosters Koetter had were in no condition to win, just like 2019 with Arians and Bowles started 3-7.
100% Licht is drafting Winston. You try to dismiss that reality by making up a trade
Winston is obviously a huge part of the team’s struggles in the date range you’re discussing … but he’s not part of your analysis?
When Arians took over basically the same roster structure the Bucs went 7-9 and were 29th in points allowed.
While this is true, it leaves out the marked improvement of the defense, going from 27th overall in 2018 to 15th overall in 2019. Yes, the points given up were still high because Winston was still handing out turnovers (30 fuggin' interceptions in 2019) like Santa on Christmas morn, but the defense improved dramatically from one year to the next.
As you said, "basically the same roster" went from 27th overall defense to 15th overall defense.
It was Licht's fault
I bet you have this is stitched on a pillow somewhere.
Just like I'll blame Licht for 2014-2018 I'll give him credit for rebuilt defense. Barrett was a great signing in 2019, Vea, Whitehead and Davis were in year 2 and he loaded up on defense in 2019 draft: White, SMB, Dean, Edwards, Nelson. But Koetter didn't have any of these players except rookie Vea, Whitehead and Davis. The rosters Koetter had were in no condition to win, just like 2019 with Arians and Bowles started 3-7.
Oh, so now it's not "basically the same roster" anymore?
Dean wasn't in the 2019 draft. Nelson barely played. And White was...White.
When Arians took over basically the same roster structure the Bucs went 7-9 and were 29th in points allowed.
While this is true, it leaves out the marked improvement of the defense, going from 27th overall in 2018 to 15th overall in 2019. Yes, the points given up were still high because Winston was still handing out turnovers (30 fuggin' interceptions in 2019) like Santa on Christmas morn, but the defense improved dramatically from one year to the next.
As you said, "basically the same roster" went from 27th overall defense to 15th overall defense.
It was Licht's fault
I bet you have this is stitched on a pillow somewhere.
Just like I'll blame Licht for 2014-2018 I'll give him credit for rebuilt defense. Barrett was a great signing in 2019, Vea, Whitehead and Davis were in year 2 and he loaded up on defense in 2019 draft: White, SMB, Dean, Edwards, Nelson. But Koetter didn't have any of these players except rookie Vea, Whitehead and Davis. The rosters Koetter had were in no condition to win, just like 2019 with Arians and Bowles started 3-7.
100% Licht is drafting Winston. You try to dismiss that reality by making up a trade
Winston is obviously a huge part of the team’s struggles in the date range you’re discussing … but he’s not part of your analysis?
I didn't make the up the trade offer. It was talked about in the media at the time and I literally gave you the PFT article with specifics.
When Arians took over basically the same roster structure the Bucs went 7-9 and were 29th in points allowed.
While this is true, it leaves out the marked improvement of the defense, going from 27th overall in 2018 to 15th overall in 2019. Yes, the points given up were still high because Winston was still handing out turnovers (30 fuggin' interceptions in 2019) like Santa on Christmas morn, but the defense improved dramatically from one year to the next.
As you said, "basically the same roster" went from 27th overall defense to 15th overall defense.
It was Licht's fault
I bet you have this is stitched on a pillow somewhere.
Just like I'll blame Licht for 2014-2018 I'll give him credit for rebuilt defense. Barrett was a great signing in 2019, Vea, Whitehead and Davis were in year 2 and he loaded up on defense in 2019 draft: White, SMB, Dean, Edwards, Nelson. But Koetter didn't have any of these players except rookie Vea, Whitehead and Davis. The rosters Koetter had were in no condition to win, just like 2019 with Arians and Bowles started 3-7.
Oh, so now it's not "basically the same roster" anymore?
Dean wasn't in the 2019 draft. Nelson barely played. And White was...White.
2019 was a better roster than 2018 and Arians still couldn't win with it. I forgot the switch from crybaby to Suh too. That was definitely an improvement.
When Arians took over basically the same roster structure the Bucs went 7-9 and were 29th in points allowed.
While this is true, it leaves out the marked improvement of the defense, going from 27th overall in 2018 to 15th overall in 2019. Yes, the points given up were still high because Winston was still handing out turnovers (30 fuggin' interceptions in 2019) like Santa on Christmas morn, but the defense improved dramatically from one year to the next.
As you said, "basically the same roster" went from 27th overall defense to 15th overall defense.
It was Licht's fault
I bet you have this is stitched on a pillow somewhere.
Just like I'll blame Licht for 2014-2018 I'll give him credit for rebuilt defense. Barrett was a great signing in 2019, Vea, Whitehead and Davis were in year 2 and he loaded up on defense in 2019 draft: White, SMB, Dean, Edwards, Nelson. But Koetter didn't have any of these players except rookie Vea, Whitehead and Davis. The rosters Koetter had were in no condition to win, just like 2019 with Arians and Bowles started 3-7.
Oh, so now it's not "basically the same roster" anymore?
Dean wasn't in the 2019 draft. Nelson barely played. And White was...White.
2019 was a better roster than 2018 and Arians still couldn't win with it. I forgot the switch from crybaby to Suh too. That was definitely an improvement.
Well, I'm convinced. I just looked up the numerous interviews, job offers, and football jobs Mike Smith has had since his firing from Tampa, and I'm even further convinced that he wasn't the issue with the poor defensive performance. It was definitely the GM. Definitely.
When Arians took over basically the same roster structure the Bucs went 7-9 and were 29th in points allowed.
While this is true, it leaves out the marked improvement of the defense, going from 27th overall in 2018 to 15th overall in 2019. Yes, the points given up were still high because Winston was still handing out turnovers (30 fuggin' interceptions in 2019) like Santa on Christmas morn, but the defense improved dramatically from one year to the next.
As you said, "basically the same roster" went from 27th overall defense to 15th overall defense.
It was Licht's fault
I bet you have this is stitched on a pillow somewhere.
Just like I'll blame Licht for 2014-2018 I'll give him credit for rebuilt defense. Barrett was a great signing in 2019, Vea, Whitehead and Davis were in year 2 and he loaded up on defense in 2019 draft: White, SMB, Dean, Edwards, Nelson. But Koetter didn't have any of these players except rookie Vea, Whitehead and Davis. The rosters Koetter had were in no condition to win, just like 2019 with Arians and Bowles started 3-7.
Oh, so now it's not "basically the same roster" anymore?
Dean wasn't in the 2019 draft. Nelson barely played. And White was...White.
2019 was a better roster than 2018 and Arians still couldn't win with it. I forgot the switch from crybaby to Suh too. That was definitely an improvement.
Well, I'm convinced. I just looked up the numerous interviews, job offers, and football jobs Mike Smith has had since his firing from Tampa, and I'm even further convinced that he wasn't the issue with the poor defensive performance. It was definitely the GM. Definitely.
Why can't you just acknowledge that there was a major influx of defensive talent through the draft and free agency from 2018-2020 after it was either ignored or whiffed on terribly from 2014-2017. Koetter had no shot.
Todd Bowles the defensive coordinator is much better than Todd Bowles the head coach
in 2019, how many times did Winston set up opposing teams in our territory.
hard to judge defense when offense turning it over 2 times a game
In 2020, that performance against chiefs won us a superbowl
in 2021, he had one bad play call which unfortunately ended the best team in our history’s season against rams
as for Licht. No doubt more often than not, he sucks at drafting. Maybe 3 of his drafts (2018,2019,2020) were worth a damn. He then reverted back to shit
Why can't you just acknowledge that there was a major influx of defensive talent through the draft and free agency from 2018-2020 after it was either ignored or whiffed on terribly from 2014-2017. Koetter had no shot.
This is odd. We've gone from "basically the same roster" to "major influx of defensive talent through the draft and free agency from 2018-2020" in about three posts.
DK had a shot. He could have fired his buddy after Mike Smith took Lovie's shitty defense from 10th overall in 2015 to 23rd overall in 2016. And then took that shitty 23rd overall defense and turned it into the 32nd overall defense in 2017. DK bringing him back in 2018, only to fire Smith's sorry ass during the season, pretty much did him in - along with Winston's inability to keep the ball in Tampa's possession.
But that's all Licht's doing. This has been well-established. You can have the last post, further tightening the noose around Licht's neck.
Todd Bowles the defensive coordinator is much better than Todd Bowles the head coach
Agreed, and I've been saying that since he was promoted. The other problem is HC/DC Bowles isn't as good of a DC when he holds both jobs. I think that's partially due to HC Bowles not holding his players accountable. That's something he apparently relied on Arians doing as HC. The guy didn't forget how to dial it up. His players just aren't playing hard for him.
WnWhy can't you just acknowledge that there was a major influx of defensive talent through the draft and free agency from 2018-2020 after it was either ignored or whiffed on terribly from 2014-2017. Koetter had no shot.
This is odd. We've gone from "basically the same roster" to "major influx of defensive talent through the draft and free agency from 2018-2020" in about three posts.
DK had a shot. He could have fired his buddy after Mike Smith took Lovie's shitty defense from 10th overall in 2015 to 23rd overall in 2016. And then took that shitty 23rd overall defense and turned it into the 32nd overall defense in 2017. DK bringing him back in 2018, only to fire Smith's sorry ass during the season, pretty much did him in - along with Winston's inability to keep the ball in Tampa's possession.
But that's all Licht's doing. This has been well-established. You can have the last post, further tightening the noose around Licht's neck.
So Licht completely fumbles the defensive drafts and free agency from 2014-2017, culminating in the league's worst defense. They literally rebuild the defensive ROSTER from 2018-2020 and your brilliant analysis is Mike Smith Mike Smith Mike Smith.
