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Posted by: @biggs3535

more difficult for it to work on playoff-calber QB's with their starting WR's and RB's.

Hey, something I agree with!

It worked aganst the Eagles but then NOT against the Lions

"In the loss, quarterback Jalen Hurts struggled mightily against the blitz and the offense was unable to get anything going. He finished the night 25 of 35 passing for 250 yards and a touchdown and just one rush for five yards.

According to Next Gen Stats, Hurts was under pressure in less than 2.5 seconds 13 times against Tampa Bay in this game, which tied a career-high. On 10 occasions, the Buccaneers generated unblocked pressure which is tied for the most in any game by any defense this season in the NFL."

 
Posted : Jan. 7, 2025 2:44 pm
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If Coen returns the Bucs need to spend another first rounder on offense.  I would not pour that many resources into the defense if Bowles continues to play call defense this way. 

 

I get the point, but the opposite of that is much more likely, right?

 

There seem to be two views on Bowles/. If you have the view that the play calling is Bowles' choice that make sense, but if the FO thought that they would fire Bowles., right?  In that scenario his is "misusing the talent" because ehs incompetent or the league has passed him by or just too conservative (funny to even type that about "Mr. 2021 Cover o blitz"_

 

If you think the play calling reflects the playing talent on the filed then its would be the opposite in that scenario )1st rounder going defense) and, in fact, that reality might even be a reason Coen returns

 

 
Posted : Jan. 7, 2025 3:35 pm
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No way should the Bucs go first rounder on defense.  Too much money is locked up with Whithead/Winfiield.  Bucs spend a 2nd rounder on Braswell and then a 3rd on Diaby.

Bucs are outside the range for a first rounder edge rusher and would need to trade up.

Bucs need to nab another WR in round 1 then best available OL in round 2.  Round 3 is where the Bucs should draft a CB and round 4 for ILB.  Bucs should sign or trade for a veteran edge to help this young group of Diaby/Braswell/Ramirez.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 7, 2025 9:49 pm
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No way should the Bucs go first rounder on defense.  Too much money is locked up with Whithead/Winfiield.  Bucs spend a 2nd rounder on Braswell and then a 3rd on Diaby.

Bucs are outside the range for a first rounder edge rusher and would need to trade up.

Bucs need to nab another WR in round 1 then best available OL in round 2.  Round 3 is where the Bucs should draft a CB and round 4 for ILB.  Bucs should sign or trade for a veteran edge to help this young group of Diaby/Braswell/Ramirez.

 

We don't need a 1st round WR.  The Bucs got Godwin in the 3rd.  I agree they need another WR, because Palmer has proven there's a reason he was a 6th rounder.  Keep him around though.  We let Justin Watson walk and he's now a good safety net receiver for Mahomes.  We let McNichols go and he's now a good depth RB.  Sometimes it takes time for these guys to find their way in the league.  We can't afford to pay Godwin the kind of money it would take to get him back.  Godwin should get his contract where he can, and somebody will give him a nice sized two year contract.  

I think the Bucs will use the vast majority of their picks on defense, and rightfully so.

IMO we need to pay attention to the free agency scene this year, but I thought that last year and the Bucs were underwhelming. Obviously we need a fresh influx of NFL caliber defensive players.  

 

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Posted : Jan. 7, 2025 10:01 pm
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1st rounder on offense? What position? 

With Evans, Godwin and McMillan the WR room is set 

maybe guard?

I don’t know if anything, think their defense needs some talent infusion particularly edge, linebacker and cornerback 

could see us cutting dean in the offseason

 
Posted : Jan. 7, 2025 10:31 pm
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No way should the Bucs go first rounder on defense.  Too much money is locked up with Whithead/Winfiield.  Bucs spend a 2nd rounder on Braswell and then a 3rd on Diaby.

Bucs are outside the range for a first rounder edge rusher and would need to trade up.

Bucs need to nab another WR in round 1 then best available OL in round 2.  Round 3 is where the Bucs should draft a CB and round 4 for ILB.  Bucs should sign or trade for a veteran edge to help this young group of Diaby/Braswell/Ramirez.

 

We don't need a 1st round WR.  The Bucs got Godwin in the 3rd.  I agree they need another WR, because Palmer has proven there's a reason he was a 6th rounder.  Keep him around though.  We let Justin Watson walk and he's now a good safety net receiver for Mahomes.  We let McNichols go and he's now a good depth RB.  Sometimes it takes time for these guys to find their way in the league.  We can't afford to pay Godwin the kind of money it would take to get him back.  Godwin should get his contract where he can, and somebody will give him a nice sized two year contract.  

I think the Bucs will use the vast majority of their picks on defense, and rightfully so.

IMO we need to pay attention to the free agency scene this year, but I thought that last year and the Bucs were underwhelming. Obviously we need a fresh influx of NFL caliber defensive players.  

 

With the way Bowles is calling defense the Bucs should in no way spend most draft picks on defense.  Kancey, Diaby, Braswell, Hall, Vea, Smith, Whitehead and Winfield is a lot of resources poured into the defense.

Truthfully the offense has done more with less than the defense.  The offense has carried the team and they should augment the offense more than the defense.  When Culp/Durham are doing more that shows the disparity even more so.  Same with McMillan and Irving drafted a lot lower and providing better results. 

In fact I do agree the Bucs are very good at drafting WR in round 3 but if they want to really compete they can start to use a first rounder on a WR as a luxury pick.  I am assuming Godwin does not return by the way.

My thinking is the Bucs need find veteran free agents for edge, ILB and CB to play in this zone heavy scheme.  No point drafting and starting rookies at those three spots.  

 

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Posted : Jan. 7, 2025 10:43 pm
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No way should the Bucs go first rounder on defense.  Too much money is locked up with Whithead/Winfiield.  Bucs spend a 2nd rounder on Braswell and then a 3rd on Diaby.

Bucs are outside the range for a first rounder edge rusher and would need to trade up.

Bucs need to nab another WR in round 1 then best available OL in round 2.  Round 3 is where the Bucs should draft a CB and round 4 for ILB.  Bucs should sign or trade for a veteran edge to help this young group of Diaby/Braswell/Ramirez.

 

 

Oh good point.  I wasn't thinking of it from the value perspective (eg picking too late for DE and good Cbs available later)/ I was only thinking of it from a priority perspective. The defense needs the infusion of talent

 

 
Posted : Jan. 7, 2025 11:29 pm
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Truthfully the offense has done more with less than the defense.

now that is hard to understand lol

 

The offense has two HOFers playing top level football, a top 5 QB, the best rookie RB in the league, a first round pick at Center and the line is one journeyman and then all 1-3rd round?  Maybe 1st and 2nd

 
Posted : Jan. 7, 2025 11:32 pm
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veteran free agents for edge, ILB and CB to play in this zone heavy scheme.

I agree with vets in those positions as long as they get come talent in

 
Posted : Jan. 7, 2025 11:34 pm
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Not so sure, depends on who’s available. Probably a target of free agency for those positions, but that will be predicated on the value other teams place on KEY free agent positions based on the amount of cap space they’ll have.

WHERE EVER we find Edge/CB/ILB - we have GOT to get our defense some help!

 
Posted : Jan. 8, 2025 12:23 am
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Not so sure, depends on who’s available. Probably a target of free agency for those positions, but that will be predicated on the value other teams place on KEY free agent positions based on the amount of cap space they’ll have.

WHERE EVER we find Edge/CB/ILB - we have GOT to get our defense some help!

Well said! My sentiments exactly.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 8, 2025 11:50 am
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Not so sure, depends on who’s available. Probably a target of free agency for those positions, but that will be predicated on the value other teams place on KEY free agent positions based on the amount of cap space they’ll have.

WHERE EVER we find Edge/CB/ILB - we have GOT to get our defense some help!

Well said! My sentiments exactly.

 

Those spots are not special to our scheme, a LOT of teams need these critical positions. The useful ones will be premium picks, but not likely immediate impact players - more likely we target one or two veterans in free agency. Expensive.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 8, 2025 1:27 pm
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Posted by: @white-tiger

LOT of teams need these critical positions

Definitely what makes it tough.  Maybe Shaq is really back! Or maybe we find the next Shaq, an underappreciated edge rusher 

 
Posted : Jan. 8, 2025 6:19 pm
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LOT of teams need these critical positions

Definitely what makes it tough.  Maybe Shaq is really back! Or maybe we find the next Shaq, an underappreciated edge rusher 

Dont know how much, if any, ol’ Shaq has left in the tank. Can’t imagine that he’s even back to playing strength/speed.

As for edge, at our draft spot, we’re not likely to find a sleeper. Likely get a fast guy with not much to offer against the run, or another Braswell clone. Free agency would be my bet for edge, but that’s going get expensive, reducing what we can spend on the other critical positions.

Going to be an interesting debate in the post season.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 9, 2025 10:29 pm
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Dont know how much, if any, ol’ Shaq has left in the tank.

Licht need to hit on another Shaq-like player again. Someone who bets on himself and blows it up.

 
Posted : Jan. 10, 2025 9:58 pm
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