Dee Milliner is the only one with any cover skills and if I remember correctly, he got benched this year at one point. So i'll stick to my original assessment, big and strong up front and a weakness in the secondary in coverage.
Oh ok ok. Then explain to me why in 2012 Bama gave up 166 YPG in the air and LSU gave up 200 YPG in the air and this year Bama gave up 180 YPG in the air and LSU gave up 197 YPG in the air. Oh yea and both years thats near the top of college football. Despite the fact that Bama plays in the best conference in football and is often playing ahead, forcing teams to try comeback through the air. Your assessment is **CENSORED**.
I could list 10 reasons why, just refresh me for a second. Didn't we have a big discussion last year about how the Jet's pass defense was better without Revis? I'm sure we did. Scheme, gameplan, etc.. are all reasons that a team plays better or worse. What I'm telling you is that the raw talent and ability of the LSU secondary is superior to Alabama and that is the reason JFF has struggled. If you want to disagree, that's fine. My opinion remains that JFF as he plays today is not a great NFL prospect and should be taken with the idea that he is a 2-3 year prospect.
Your opinion on how Manziel will do in the NFL is fine. There are a lot of people who think he will struggle. The issue here is that you are wrong on multiple fronts and you're contradicting yourself. First, Alabama has an elite secondary, an NFL style coaching staff and scheme, and the king of defensive backs in Nick Saban. Saban is the guy when it comes to defensive backs, so your opinion on Bama not having a good secondary is just flat out 100% wrong. Second, you just said yourself that stats could be misleading because of scheme, gameplan, etc. I am glad you see that, actually seriously good for you for seeing that because many people don't see that. You, however, went straight to stats in two games to make your initial argument so you are contradicting yourself. I wouldn't take Manziel's two legendary games against Bama to predict whether or not he would be good in the NFL, just like I wouldn't take his two **CENSORED**ty games against LSU. Like you just said, there is so much more that goes into it.
I'm about to school you right now, sharpen your pencil bro...Saban, king of DB's gets the most out of average defenders but they don't hold up to good passers which is why they get carved up by good passing team or good QBs. It's also why they under-achieve int he NFL! Also Saban is a great coach and does a great job of hiding that weakness and apparently did a great job as people still think that secondary has talent. If teams could keep their QB's off their backs, passing room was easily found on Bama. That wasn't always the case which is why their stats show them as a great pass defense but it isn't true. If given a bit of time and a QB who has NFL or a spread offense to go against, that defensive secondary looked very average and that is why JFF pounding them is not near impressive....Please head to detention....
Man you are full of it, I'm sorry. Saban constantly turns out NFL defenders and the knock on them is they've been coached to their maximum potential already. Bama is year in and year out an elite defense all around. As another poster said, you are taking some struggles Manziel had against one team and turning it into a sweeping over generalization of him as a player. It's a joke. You're the type of guy who watches a receiver drop one ball and would call him shit. You probably think Revis sucks because you saw him get toasted by Ginn once. All this selective stuff you're doing may be cool for you to make your point but it makes you seem very lacking in the credibility department.
The premise of this thread is ridiculous. Bucs449 well played. BucNY, sorry Brotha not even close... Stop using fallacies to argue a moot point.
Man you are full of it, I'm sorry. Saban constantly turns out NFL defenders and the knock on them is they've been coached to their maximum potential already.
That's exactly what he is saying.
Man you are full of it, I'm sorry. Saban constantly turns out NFL defenders and the knock on them is they've been coached to their maximum potential already. Bama is year in and year out an elite defense all around. As another poster said, you are taking some struggles Manziel had against one team and turning it into a sweeping over generalization of him as a player. It's a joke. You're the type of guy who watches a receiver drop one ball and would call him **CENSORED**. You probably think Revis sucks because you saw him get toasted by Ginn once. All this selective stuff you're doing may be cool for you to make your point but it makes you seem very lacking in the credibility department.
I'm simply refuting your claim that JFF is a great passer because he carved up an elite bama defense. Not so. You used two cases against my claim for two cases. If you want to believe that it's purely a coincidence that JFF had his two worst games of the year, and not by a small margin, against the same team then go right Dorthy and click those red shoes, close your eyes tight and hope.I for one believe there is a reason and I believe that reason is JFF struggles when his WR cannot simply overmatch an opponents secondary.
Man you are full of it, I'm sorry. Saban constantly turns out NFL defenders and the knock on them is they've been coached to their maximum potential already. Bama is year in and year out an elite defense all around. As another poster said, you are taking some struggles Manziel had against one team and turning it into a sweeping over generalization of him as a player. It's a joke. You're the type of guy who watches a receiver drop one ball and would call him **CENSORED**. You probably think Revis sucks because you saw him get toasted by Ginn once. All this selective stuff you're doing may be cool for you to make your point but it makes you seem very lacking in the credibility department.
I'm simply refuting your claim that JFF is a great passer because he carved up an elite bama defense. Not so. You used two cases against my claim for two cases. If you want to believe that it's purely a coincidence that JFF had his two worst games of the year, and not by a small margin, against the same team then go right Dorthy and click those red shoes, close your eyes tight and hope.I for one believe there is a reason and I believe that reason is JFF struggles when his WR cannot simply overmatch an opponents secondary.
Did you not read my other post in this argument? Here, I'll quote part of it."I wouldn't take Manziel's two legendary games against Bama to predict whether or not he would be good in the NFL, just like I wouldn't take his two **CENSORED**ty games against LSU."Incase you haven't noticed, not once have I said whether or not I think Manziel will be a good pro. One thing I have said is for you to call Bama's secondary weak is horseshit and shows how much you know about football.The next thing is I think it is laughable that you titled your thread "A deeper look into the numbers behind JFF" and then you go and site TWO damn games as your evidence for why you think Manziel will be bad. You aren't taking a deep look into anything dude. You are taking a couple games that are convenient to your point and running with it to make a sweeping over generalization about how Manziel will do in the league. Use something else please. Say you watch film and Manziel struggles making a certain throw or his footwork is shit or whatever. How can you call a deep look into the numbers behind Manziel a look at two games?
Heard about it on "the herd" this morning. I looked it up and sure enough. JFF has played LSU twice and has posted the following numbers.2012: 51% completion, 0 TD and 3 INTs for a passer rating of 82 (almost 75 points below season average)2013: 39% completion, 1 TD and 2 INTs for a passer rating of 83 (almost 110 points below seasons ave)So just two bad games right? Can happen to anyone right? Well apparently LSU had 6 of their starters drafted last year, all on defense. Now correct me if I'm wrong, they again, have a very talented defensive roster. So JFF struggles with a defense who has 6 NFL caliber guys on it, how is he going to do with he faces a defense with 11? I am fully and 100% off JFF. I was unsure before if i was buying into his game, now I'm sure that I am not.
Now vs Alabama higher rated defense2012- 28 att 39 comp 464 yards 71.8 comp % 95 long 5 td 2 int 2013- 24 att 31 comp 253 yards 77.4 comp % 42 long 2 td 0 intAlabama was ranked #1 compared to LSU #8 in 2013; In 2012 Alabama was ranked #4 compared to LSU at #6Just saying.
Man you are full of it, I'm sorry. Saban constantly turns out NFL defenders and the knock on them is they've been coached to their maximum potential already. Bama is year in and year out an elite defense all around. As another poster said, you are taking some struggles Manziel had against one team and turning it into a sweeping over generalization of him as a player. It's a joke. You're the type of guy who watches a receiver drop one ball and would call him **CENSORED**. You probably think Revis sucks because you saw him get toasted by Ginn once. All this selective stuff you're doing may be cool for you to make your point but it makes you seem very lacking in the credibility department.
I'm simply refuting your claim that JFF is a great passer because he carved up an elite bama defense. Not so. You used two cases against my claim for two cases. If you want to believe that it's purely a coincidence that JFF had his two worst games of the year, and not by a small margin, against the same team then go right Dorthy and click those red shoes, close your eyes tight and hope.I for one believe there is a reason and I believe that reason is JFF struggles when his WR cannot simply overmatch an opponents secondary.
Did you not read my other post in this argument? Here, I'll quote part of it."I wouldn't take Manziel's two legendary games against Bama to predict whether or not he would be good in the NFL, just like I wouldn't take his two **CENSORED**ty games against LSU."Incase you haven't noticed, not once have I said whether or not I think Manziel will be a good pro. One thing I have said is for you to call Bama's secondary weak is horse**CENSORED** and shows how much you know about football.The next thing is I think it is laughable that you titled your thread "A deeper look into the numbers behind JFF" and then you go and site TWO damn games as your evidence for why you think Manziel will be bad. You aren't taking a deep look into anything dude. You are taking a couple games that are convenient to your point and running with it to make a sweeping over generalization about how Manziel will do in the league. Use something else please. Say you watch film and Manziel struggles making a certain throw or his footwork is **CENSORED** or whatever. How can you call a deep look into the numbers behind Manziel a look at two games?
I have watched "film" on him. In fact I made another thread with an extended write up about what bothered me about the guy including one of his "amazing" plays that was a result of his inability to be a pass 1st QB.Like I said. You can believe that he played very poor games against LSU two years in a row based on chance, or luck, or he didn't get any sleep the night before. You and I disagree most on the fact that you think Bama has great secondary and they have been exposed recently by good QBs or spread type attacks.
Reaching.You also forgot to include that he likes the ladies...
Man you are full of it, I'm sorry. Saban constantly turns out NFL defenders and the knock on them is they've been coached to their maximum potential already. Bama is year in and year out an elite defense all around. As another poster said, you are taking some struggles Manziel had against one team and turning it into a sweeping over generalization of him as a player. It's a joke. You're the type of guy who watches a receiver drop one ball and would call him **CENSORED**. You probably think Revis sucks because you saw him get toasted by Ginn once. All this selective stuff you're doing may be cool for you to make your point but it makes you seem very lacking in the credibility department.
I'm simply refuting your claim that JFF is a great passer because he carved up an elite bama defense. Not so. You used two cases against my claim for two cases. If you want to believe that it's purely a coincidence that JFF had his two worst games of the year, and not by a small margin, against the same team then go right Dorthy and click those red shoes, close your eyes tight and hope.I for one believe there is a reason and I believe that reason is JFF struggles when his WR cannot simply overmatch an opponents secondary.
Did you not read my other post in this argument? Here, I'll quote part of it."I wouldn't take Manziel's two legendary games against Bama to predict whether or not he would be good in the NFL, just like I wouldn't take his two **CENSORED**ty games against LSU."Incase you haven't noticed, not once have I said whether or not I think Manziel will be a good pro. One thing I have said is for you to call Bama's secondary weak is horse**CENSORED** and shows how much you know about football.The next thing is I think it is laughable that you titled your thread "A deeper look into the numbers behind JFF" and then you go and site TWO damn games as your evidence for why you think Manziel will be bad. You aren't taking a deep look into anything dude. You are taking a couple games that are convenient to your point and running with it to make a sweeping over generalization about how Manziel will do in the league. Use something else please. Say you watch film and Manziel struggles making a certain throw or his footwork is **CENSORED** or whatever. How can you call a deep look into the numbers behind Manziel a look at two games?
I have watched "film" on him. In fact I made another thread with an extended write up about what bothered me about the guy including one of his "amazing" plays that was a result of his inability to be a pass 1st QB.Like I said. You can believe that he played very poor games against LSU two years in a row based on chance, or luck, or he didn't get any sleep the night before. You and I disagree most on the fact that you think Bama has great secondary and they have been exposed recently by good QBs or spread type attacks.
All that the LSU games show me is he struggled versus a good team that has had his number in back to back years. You're making it into he officially can't do anything vs an NFL defense. It's hilarious.
Go up a few posts and debate the numbers.
Go up a few posts and debate the numbers.
We've already done that. Numbers don't mean much. Can you logically explain why the Jet's defense pass defense got better last year when Revis got hurt? Nope. There are many factors involved but stat rankings don't always tell a true picture of talent.Zach Mettenberger has very average numbers when you look at them but I believe he's a much better QB than those suggest.Pass rush, scheme and coaching are reasons why they gave up few passing yards but aren't actually that good.
Go up a few posts and debate the numbers.
We've already done that. Numbers don't mean much.
SkfjskckefkekcekckfkckeckThen what the hell was the point of your original post lmaoooo????
I think he's gonna have to be on a solid team like Kap and Wilson are on. You could argue our defense matches their teams and our run game matches theirs but we are missing the qb but I still think we lack some other positions. Such as pass rush and also need better play from our secondary. I love our LBs and DTs. I think Revis is still pretty good too but outside of them we don't have much and offensive line could be better. I think Manziel would get killed behind our offensive line. Remember the shots Glennon took? Brutal. I know Manziel can run but he will have to stand in there sometimes and deliver a throw. Before our line gets thrashed and eaten alive like they have. Pass on Manziel. Luckily we won't have to because a team will likely make that mistake before we get the chance to.
Go up a few posts and debate the numbers.
We've already done that. Numbers don't mean much.
SkfjskckefkekcekckfkckeckThen what the hell was the point of your original post lmaoooo????
I'm scratching my head too
