...also depends on if they see him as being more than just a DT.
It could and not only that but how elite he'd be elsewhere.
...also depends on if they see him as being more than just a DT.
It could and not only that but how elite he'd be elsewhere.
Carolina showed us last year that having versatility in your DL rotation can lead to success. They had a relentless pass rush and did so primarily with 2 DEs and 4 DTs, with their 4th DT getting more snaps than their 3rd DE. So drafting Aaron Donald may not just mean that he would only play NT. He very well could play as many snaps at LE as he would at the NT. If they view him as a player who could be at least "good" at 3 DL positions, that player has a ton of value from my POV and is well worth the #7 pick.
To me Donald looks like a dangerous player and I don't want him on another team but my own. I really hope the Bucs are considering him.
...also depends on if they see him as being more than just a DT.
I actually agree with this. I see him as the best pass rusher in the draft and a guy that can definitely play anywhere on the line and beat his man. I think he is a guy that is also great vs the run. A guy that has ideal work ethic and character. If they don't see him like that, then he probably isn't the best fit for us @ 7.
...also depends on if they see him as being more than just a DT.
It could and not only that but how elite he'd be elsewhere.
Carolina showed us last year that having versatility in your DL rotation can lead to success. They had a relentless pass rush and did so primarily with 2 DEs and 4 DTs, with their 4th DT getting more snaps than their 3rd DE. So drafting Aaron Donald may not just mean that he would only play NT. He very well could play as many snaps at LE as he would at the NT. If they view him as a player who could be at least "good" at 3 DL positions, that player has a ton of value from my POV and is well worth the #7 pick.
No argument from me. Again...my point was really on what Lovie's done in the past.
I know I'll catch sh!t for this, but what the hell....I think part of the reasoning behind me being 100% sold on taking Donald is because I'm not 100% sold on McCoy. I know he was good last year and PFF declared him god, and everyone talks like he is that once in a decade under tackle and the best DT in the league.....but I think he is a little over hyped. I'm not saying he isn't a very good player. He is. I'm just not so sure he will ever be a Warren Sapp type difference maker. I don't even think he is as good as Geno Atkins to be honest. When you add in the injuries, well I just don't see it as such a perfect picture going forward as many seem to. We are going to be forced to give McCoy a huge long term $12M/yr contract next year and I don't think he has earned it. He had a very good season in 2013, but that's it and that alone isn't enough imo. One very good year in four is not what you want out of the #3 pick of the draft. It's not what you want from a guy you have paid over $60M to. Now this year, McCoy gets to be put in an ideal situation. He is going to be the most important piece of a defense tailored specifically for him. He should have an amazing year and make it a very easy decision to give him that fat new contract. But what if he doesn't? What if he has another solid but unspectacular year like he did in 2010, 2011, and 2012? Even worse, what if he gets injured again and misses significant time? Can anyone honestly say that we should still give him a fat long term deal in that scenario? I couldn't.So not only do I look at Donald as a sure fire stud that will play with McCoy and make our d-line much better right away, but I see him as an insurance plan if McCoy does not perform how he is expected to this year or is injured again. Having Donald would help us negotiate a lower price for McCoy if he underperforms, and he also provides the perfect replacement if we can't come to an agreement with McCoy. A much, much, much cheaper replacement. I know we all want McCoy to be amazing this year in Lovie's defense and with any luck he will be. Usually I would just cross my fingers with McCoy because it's not like elite UTs come along very often, but this year we are in a rare situation where there is an elite UT available. It is worth considering the possibility. The UT is such an important position in our defense. QB is the only position on the entire roster than might be more important. So I'd hate to pass on Donald and then have things go south with McCoy and be left searching for the next Warren Sapp again.
I know I'll catch sh!t for this, but what the hell....I think part of the reasoning behind me being 100% sold on taking Donald is because I'm not 100% sold on McCoy. I know he was good last year and PFF declared him god, and everyone talks like he is that once in a decade under tackle and the best DT in the league.....but I think he is a little over hyped. I'm not saying he isn't a very good player. He is. I'm just not so sure he will ever be a Warren Sapp type difference maker. I don't even think he is as good as Geno Atkins to be honest. When you add in the injuries, well I just don't see it as such a perfect picture going forward as many seem to. We are going to be forced to give McCoy a huge long term $12M/yr contract next year and I don't think he has earned it. He had a very good season in 2013, but that's it and that alone isn't enough imo. One very good year in four is not what you want out of the #3 pick of the draft. It's not what you want from a guy you have paid over $60M to. Now this year, McCoy gets to be put in an ideal situation. He is going to be the most important piece of a defense tailored specifically for him. He should have an amazing year and make it a very easy decision to give him that fat new contract. But what if he doesn't? What if he has another solid but unspectacular year like he did in 2010, 2011, and 2012? Even worse, what if he gets injured again and misses significant time? Can anyone honestly say that we should still give him a fat long term deal in that scenario? I couldn't.So not only do I look at Donald as a sure fire stud that will play with McCoy and make our d-line much better right away, but I see him as an insurance plan if McCoy does not perform how he is expected to this year or is injured again. Having Donald would help us negotiate a lower price for McCoy if he underperforms, and he also provides the perfect replacement if we can't come to an agreement with McCoy. A much, much, much cheaper replacement. I know we all want McCoy to be amazing this year in Lovie's defense and with any luck he will be. Usually I would just cross my fingers with McCoy because it's not like elite UTs come along very often, but this year we are in a rare situation where there is an elite UT available. It is worth considering the possibility. The UT is such an important position in our defense. QB is the only position on the entire roster than might be more important. So I'd hate to pass on Donald and then have things go south with McCoy and be left searching for the next Warren Sapp again.
Not 100% sold on McCoy? I think your reaching a bit here mate. His injuries were to his upper body and at this point are considered pretty much freak. Also maybe 1 year healthy could be considered a coincidence, but 2 is certanly a trend. Of course anything can happen, but I'm confident that McCoy has already shed the injury bust label, even if, god forbid, he were to get injured this year. Two pro bowl seasons and one all pro year later, he is without a doubt the real McCoy.All that said, put him next to Donald @ 7 all the same for they would be absolute dynamite together. No kidding itd be a qb feeding frenzy on sundays.
I know I'll catch sh!t for this, but what the hell....I think part of the reasoning behind me being 100% sold on taking Donald is because I'm not 100% sold on McCoy. I know he was good last year and PFF declared him god, and everyone talks like he is that once in a decade under tackle and the best DT in the league.....but I think he is a little over hyped. I'm not saying he isn't a very good player. He is. I'm just not so sure he will ever be a Warren Sapp type difference maker. I don't even think he is as good as Geno Atkins to be honest. When you add in the injuries, well I just don't see it as such a perfect picture going forward as many seem to. We are going to be forced to give McCoy a huge long term $12M/yr contract next year and I don't think he has earned it. He had a very good season in 2013, but that's it and that alone isn't enough imo. One very good year in four is not what you want out of the #3 pick of the draft. It's not what you want from a guy you have paid over $60M to. Now this year, McCoy gets to be put in an ideal situation. He is going to be the most important piece of a defense tailored specifically for him. He should have an amazing year and make it a very easy decision to give him that fat new contract. But what if he doesn't? What if he has another solid but unspectacular year like he did in 2010, 2011, and 2012? Even worse, what if he gets injured again and misses significant time? Can anyone honestly say that we should still give him a fat long term deal in that scenario? I couldn't.So not only do I look at Donald as a sure fire stud that will play with McCoy and make our d-line much better right away, but I see him as an insurance plan if McCoy does not perform how he is expected to this year or is injured again. Having Donald would help us negotiate a lower price for McCoy if he underperforms, and he also provides the perfect replacement if we can't come to an agreement with McCoy. A much, much, much cheaper replacement. I know we all want McCoy to be amazing this year in Lovie's defense and with any luck he will be. Usually I would just cross my fingers with McCoy because it's not like elite UTs come along very often, but this year we are in a rare situation where there is an elite UT available. It is worth considering the possibility. The UT is such an important position in our defense. QB is the only position on the entire roster than might be more important. So I'd hate to pass on Donald and then have things go south with McCoy and be left searching for the next Warren Sapp again.
you know your gonna catch hell JDub....lol. im not a football guru like most of you are so my opinions my not be valid and understandably so. The question is how can lovie not draft Donald based on what he is trying to do, or assuming what he is trying to do. From what I understand our defense relies on getting pressure on the QB, it starts there. I don't think most people recognize what kind of force Donald really is. He should not be over looked simply because of defensive alignment or scheme. To me drafting Donald has perfect validity that lines up with the overall premise of Lovie Smith's defense. Just my opinion. Now on the other hand, there would be more question if we were in a position to draft Clowney. I would not be all for it. He has a few highlights, and that big hit that knocked the guys helmet off, but that's it, watch the tape on Clowney, Barr, Mack, or any other LB or defensive guy, they don't even come close to the dominance that Donald has. In fact Texans should be looking at Donald not Clowney. The only thing Donald needs is the media to drive his stock through the roof, just like they do with the rest without any kind of underlying justification. Just my unprofessional opinion...haha.
...watch the tape on Clowney, Barr, Mack, or any other LB or defensive guy, they don't even come close to the dominance that Donald has. In fact Texans should be looking at Donald not Clowney. The only thing Donald needs is the media to drive his stock through the roof, just like they do with the rest without any kind of underlying justification. Just my unprofessional opinion...haha.
Couldn't agree more bro. The thing is, just because the media says something, it doesn't make it true. Teams could have Donald much higher on their boards than the media. I mean, the media has been telling everyone that Bridgewater was the consensus #1 QB and top 3 pick for a year now....and all the sudden it comes out that the majority of the league actually views him as a 2nd or 3rd round prospect. The media are usually either sheep, too afraid to go against the grain and be wrong....or they are specifically paid to go against the grain and say dumb things just to stir up news for the Networks. Some folks seem to take media and internet draft sites' word as gospel, but it's far from it. It would not surprise me at all to see Donald go before pick seven.
Not 100% sold on McCoy? I think your reaching a bit here mate. His injuries were to his upper body and at this point are considered pretty much freak. Also maybe 1 year healthy could be considered a coincidence, but 2 is certanly a trend. Of course anything can happen, but I'm confident that McCoy has already shed the injury bust label, even if, god forbid, he were to get injured this year. Two pro bowl seasons and one all pro year later, he is without a doubt the real McCoy.All that said, put him next to Donald @ 7 all the same for they would be absolute dynamite together. No kidding itd be a qb feeding frenzy on sundays.
I'm not reaching at all. I'm being honest and sharing my opinion. And I don't see how you can say that he has shed the injury prone label even if he was to be injured again this year. That seems pretty crazy to me. His tendon on his bicep snapped like a cheap rubber band and a year later the other tendon on the other bicep did the same. He obviously had weak tendons, but who's to say it was just his biceps? What if he tears the tendon in his calf this season? Can you honestly tell me you'd still hand him a 6 year deal with $40M guaranteed? He is one of our best players and I get being protective of our top players, but let's be real man. Anyways, I'm just saying it is a possible scenario and it just adds value to the Donald pick. Ideally McCoy will tear sh!t up this year and we can watch he and Donald and Johnson, and Clayborn dominate the trenches. And if not Donald, than McDonald.
I think Donald is going to be BPA at no.7 but we may be able to trade back a bit and still get him. I could be wrong but he will not be projected as a fit for a 3-4 team. He is strictly a one gapper if you ask me. His talents woyld be misused as a 3-4 end. JMHO. This is why he isnt as sought after as Clowney who can play right end in any scheme.
32nd ranked offense and some of you clowns want to draft a NT .... Bwahahahahahaha!!You can't make this stuff up...
We had the worst offense when we drafted Sapp too. What were those idiots thinking.
We had the worst offense when we drafted Sapp too. What were those idiots thinking.
Probably that Sapp would be a perfect Undertackle for a team with no Undertackle ? Try again Cody Grimm Reaper.
Santana Dotson might disagree. And Culpepper might be a bit miffed as his importance is dismissed.
