Not 100% sold on McCoy? I think your reaching a bit here mate. His injuries were to his upper body and at this point are considered pretty much freak. Also maybe 1 year healthy could be considered a coincidence, but 2 is certanly a trend. Of course anything can happen, but I'm confident that McCoy has already shed the injury bust label, even if, god forbid, he were to get injured this year. Two pro bowl seasons and one all pro year later, he is without a doubt the real McCoy.All that said, put him next to Donald @ 7 all the same for they would be absolute dynamite together. No kidding itd be a qb feeding frenzy on sundays.
I'm not reaching at all. I'm being honest and sharing my opinion. And I don't see how you can say that he has shed the injury prone label even if he was to be injured again this year. That seems pretty crazy to me. His tendon on his bicep snapped like a cheap rubber band and a year later the other tendon on the other bicep did the same. He obviously had weak tendons, but who's to say it was just his biceps? What if he tears the tendon in his calf this season? Can you honestly tell me you'd still hand him a 6 year deal with $40M guaranteed? He is one of our best players and I get being protective of our top players, but let's be real man. Anyways, I'm just saying it is a possible scenario and it just adds value to the Donald pick. Ideally McCoy will tear sh!t up this year and we can watch he and Donald and Johnson, and Clayborn dominate the trenches. And if not Donald, than McDonald.
Whose being protective? I'm being real here too buddy. I dont remember the exact percent, but I believe last season McCoy was on the field for over 95% plus of the defensive snaps. So he basically never came off the field. I find it hard to believe that someone with "weak tendons" could take that sort of punishment without wearing down. A fluke you could say, but two years is an eternity in the NFL and there are plenty of players that overcome initial injuries and then go on to have long and productive careers. And no I would not hand ANYONE coming off serious injury 6 years $40M guaranteed. But that decision would have nothing to do with his freak biceps injuries, and everything to do with whatever injury hed be coming off at the time.
Whose being protective? I'm being real here too buddy. I dont remember the exact percent, but I believe last season McCoy was on the field for over 95% plus of the defensive snaps. So he basically never came off the field. I find it hard to believe that someone with "weak tendons" could take that sort of punishment without wearing down. A fluke you could say, but two years is an eternity in the NFL and there are plenty of players that overcome initial injuries and then go on to have long and productive careers. And no I would not hand ANYONE coming off serious injury 6 years $40M guaranteed. But that decision would have nothing to do with his freak biceps injuries, and everything to do with whatever injury hed be coming off at the time.
You say two years of staying healthy is an eternity.....but two back to back years of injuries wasn't? That seems like a bit of a double standard. I think the reality is he has been ended up on IR two out of four seasons and is still a higher risk than most for future injury. If he finishes 2014 without incident, then it will be a three year trend. Right now it's just 50/50.
The funniest part of all this to me, is that Clowney gets called a freak and a once in a lifetime athlete and blah blah blah....but Donald carries 20lbs more muscle and had an identical 10 yard time, a better 3 cone time, and a better 20 yard shuttle time. I think folks are confused about who the real "once in a lifetime" pass rusher is.
Whose being protective? I'm being real here too buddy. I dont remember the exact percent, but I believe last season McCoy was on the field for over 95% plus of the defensive snaps. So he basically never came off the field. I find it hard to believe that someone with "weak tendons" could take that sort of punishment without wearing down. A fluke you could say, but two years is an eternity in the NFL and there are plenty of players that overcome initial injuries and then go on to have long and productive careers. And no I would not hand ANYONE coming off serious injury 6 years $40M guaranteed. But that decision would have nothing to do with his freak biceps injuries, and everything to do with whatever injury hed be coming off at the time.
You say two years of staying healthy is an eternity.....but two back to back years of injuries wasn't? That seems like a bit of a double standard. I think the reality is he has been ended up on IR two out of four seasons and is still a higher risk than most for future injury. If he finishes 2014 without incident, then it will be a three year trend. Right now it's just 50/50.
By 2 years being an eternity I meant a lot can change in 2 years. To illustrate lets flip McCoys healthy/unhealthy seasons where instead he dominated his first two but succumbed to injury the last two. In that scenario, 2 years ago when McCoy was a rising, healthy star will have seemed like an eternity ago. Kinda how carl nicks is no longer considererd to be the player he was 2 years ago. Granted the injuries are different in nature, but I think u get the point. 2 full years of being healthy, just like 2 years of being injured, can do a lot to change the book on a player.So saying its just a 50/50 based on 2/4 years doesnt really incorporate the full context of the situation. In truth he has a much better than a 50/50 chance at being our cornerstone undertackle for the forseeable future. Jmho
Can this man play LDE?
Whose being protective? I'm being real here too buddy. I dont remember the exact percent, but I believe last season McCoy was on the field for over 95% plus of the defensive snaps. So he basically never came off the field. I find it hard to believe that someone with "weak tendons" could take that sort of punishment without wearing down. A fluke you could say, but two years is an eternity in the NFL and there are plenty of players that overcome initial injuries and then go on to have long and productive careers. And no I would not hand ANYONE coming off serious injury 6 years $40M guaranteed. But that decision would have nothing to do with his freak biceps injuries, and everything to do with whatever injury hed be coming off at the time.
You say two years of staying healthy is an eternity.....but two back to back years of injuries wasn't? That seems like a bit of a double standard. I think the reality is he has been ended up on IR two out of four seasons and is still a higher risk than most for future injury. If he finishes 2014 without incident, then it will be a three year trend. Right now it's just 50/50.
At this point McCoy has the same risk of future injury as any other player. His biceps are better than they used to be and nothing else has broken down since then despite playing a ton of snaps.
The funniest part of all this to me, is that Clowney gets called a freak and a once in a lifetime athlete and blah blah blah....but Donald carries 20lbs more muscle and had an identical 10 yard time, a better 3 cone time, and a better 20 yard shuttle time. I think folks are confused about who the real "once in a lifetime" pass rusher is.
HYPE HYPE HYPE.From one damned hit. Take that hit away from is resume, and he is getting questioned as to why his second season was so bad compared to his freshman year...I think Donald can play DE, but that is a stretch considering his collegiate resume. And that while he was used all over, he was primarily a tackle.Again, this guy has stud written all over him, and if the Bucs take him, I will clap, but then I will say, "now what?"
Can this man play LDE?
yes. If we draft him that's where I would expect him to line up on first and second downs(run situations) then kick inside next to McCoy on pass rushing situations.
I can assure you that Clowney is not being drafted because of "one hit." And he absolutely is being questioned about is second season. It's the reason there's a debate at all.
I can assure you that Clowney is not being drafted because of "one hit." And he absolutely is being questioned about is second season. It's the reason there's a debate at all.
I can assure you that one hit is a huge reason why he is getting so much attention.
I can assure you that Clowney is not being drafted because of "one hit." And he absolutely is being questioned about is second season. It's the reason there's a debate at all.
I can assure you that one hit is a huge reason why he is getting so much attention.
For the average fan? Sure. For NFL GMs, I don't think so.
I can assure you that Clowney is not being drafted because of "one hit." And he absolutely is being questioned about is second season. It's the reason there's a debate at all.
I can assure you that one hit is a huge reason why he is getting so much attention.
For the average fan? Sure. For NFL GMs, I don't think so.
His measureables are tremendous. But his last season was not worthy of so much attention.
He's not getting drafted #1 on 1 season. He's getting drafted on the whole deal - the production, the athleticism, the raw ability/ceiling, etc. And yes, his sacks were down last year and there are some bad moments - and yet, he still drew a ton of attention from OL and OCs, and he still caused a lot of havoc.
I can agree with the pick if the these suggestions that he can be a dominating pass rusher from LE on the NFL level are true. I'm not even close to being convinced of that.
what makes you think he can't play LE? What attributes does he lack?
The film leaves it up for serious question imo. What I have seen of him playing at end was him being far less comfortable rushing the passer. Show me some good film of him playing outside at Pitt. His special (that I saw) is all inside, destroying guards. He seemed to struggle, or look much more average, going against Tackles. Yeah, uncomfortable is the word I'd use to describe it. He has all the attributes to play end. The explosion, the athleticism. Obviously the size. He uses his hands well. He can physically overwhelm people. He can move faster then most. Has excellent reaction to the snap. But what I see from him at Pitt he hasn't figured out how to do it in space (which you'd think easier?). I really really like him as a prospect, but it's clear watching him play, that he is much better suited to play tackle. He could probably adapt with great coaching and motivation into a very good end. He'll always be the more dominant and natural tackle though imo.
I was thinking today that Clowney could slide because of the questions on his desire to play and work hard.
