i know medicine has improved drastically over the last several years…what used to be a career killer is now a 1 year recovery, but I think back to when Dilfer broke his clavicle he was out for the year. The other thing that factors in is the type of break..was it a clean break ? Or a green stick break ? Green stick are generally more common in children, but they also occur in sports(typically falling from low heights with outstretched limbs). If it’s clean it will heal quicker for sure. Here’s to hoping we get Mike back for the playoffs, but more likely next year if it all. I say that because he needs to be re-signed and what does that contract even look like given his production when healthy this year? On a side note ,given this is Godwins second setback (and his salary cap number) I don’t like the prospect of how our WR room could look next year, especially if Mike were to hang em’ up after the season, and Godwin either calls it a career, or misses most of next year the way he has this year
I'm least worried about Godwin TBH. His game was never about athletic ability or running away from defenders. It was mostly feel and technique. 2 full years of healing I expect him to be back to full strength for the last couple years of this contract
On a side note ,given this is Godwins second setback (and his salary cap number) I don’t like the prospect of how our WR room could look next year, especially if Mike were to hang em’ up after the season, and Godwin either calls it a career, or misses most of next year the way he has this year
- I think if Mike doesn't make it back this season, it's 50/50 on whether he comes back next season (I actually think it's worse than that). If he does make it back for the final game or two (or playoffs), I think there's an 85% chance he retires.
- JMac probably missed the rest of this season, but should be back next year.
- Unfortunately, I think Godwin will be a shell of himself for the rest of this year (if he even makes it back) and most likely the remainder of his career. There's more to the story than reported about the initial surgery, hence the compensation injury he's dealing with now. Would love to eat crow on this, but don't see it.
We need another alpha next to Egbuka, and should address it early in the upcoming draft (if the board falls the right way).
Godwin with a career ending injury, having a career year, in a game he should have been pulled, after we already lost Mike Evans.
I will never forgive Bowles. Never. Licht had to make it right with the contract that could have been used to solidify the LB unit or d-line or LG.
An all-time coaching negligence move.
I will never forgive Bowles
new screen name?
Actually, FireBowlesForNotPullingEgbuka . . . . in the same basic scenario. :-)
Actually, WORSE we were down Evans and Godwin . .
except this time, I think all of you posted in the game thread to pull Egbuka when we were down two! "99.8%"
oh . . .wait
nevermind
Chaves- The worry I have with Godwin is this. The team is basically eating 22 Mil and a roster spot for Godwin this year(he's earned some grace given his career here) but it's a new injury to an already injured area. It was foolish to think that he'd come back this year un-effected, and pick up where he left off before his injury last year.... That being said, with it being a new injury to the same area it could take as long or longer for him to come back from, especially since I feel he rushed back too soon this year. If it does take the full year for him to recover then it becomes foolish to think that he'd be more effective next year whenever he does come back, which leads us to the following year being his potential "normal self" year. That's a tricky proposition because then he is 32 years old with multiple leg injuries and in the last year of his contract. We may never see the Godwin of old again, we can't cut him because it would amount to a 49 million dead cap hit. If he's cut after June first then we carry a 22 Million cap hit each year over 2 years. I mean maybe he is able to come back this year and this whole scenario is moot, but I wouldn't bet on it if I were a betting man.
Donkey- I think Evans will at least give it one more year so that he can prove to himself that this year was a fluke, and that he can still be a 1A 1000 yd receiver. With that I think Mike would need to work with the team a little given his 1 year deal was cut so short with injuries plus his age next season. I'd say if mike does come back next year and produces that he'd likely be 50/50 for retirement in that he'd want to go out with solid number, but he also might want another 1 year deal ala Lavonte.
As for JMac, that injury is tricky... I know JPP came back after a broken bone in his neck to play multiple seasons, but there is a big difference to when you're hitting someone and when you're the one being hit while in compromised positions . JMac being a WR might be a little gun-shy to go for an acrobatic catch in the future as to not re-injure that neck or worse risk paralysis for the rest of his life. I hope he's able to come back and make a living doing what he loves, but who knows whats going on inside his head as he rehabs and then once he gets back on the field.
On the other two points you made about Godwin, and the future of the room I 1000% agree. Clearly Hassan Reddick will be a one and done, so take those funds and swing for another OLB next year, and draft a WR early (if the draft board permits) to compliment Ebuka, then move Tez to the slot, then grab another OLB in round 2
The worry I have with Godwin is this. The team is basically eating 22 Mil and a roster spot for Godwin this year(he's earned some grace given his career here) but it's a new injury to an already injured area. It was foolish to think that he'd come back this year un-effected, and pick up where he left off before his injury last year.... That being said, with it being a new injury to the same area it could take as long or longer for him to come back from, especially since I feel he rushed back too soon this year. If it does take the full year for him to recover then it becomes foolish to think that he'd be more effective next year whenever he does come back, which leads us to the following year being his potential "normal self" year. That's a tricky proposition because then he is 32 years old with multiple leg injuries and in the last year of his contract. We may never see the Godwin of old again, we can't cut him because it would amount to a 49 million dead cap hit. If he's cut after June first then we carry a 22 Million cap hit each year over 2 years. I mean maybe he is able to come back this year and this whole scenario is moot, but I wouldn't bet on it if I were a betting man.
such an interesting read. lots of really good points
Isn't our best hope for Godwin that the current reporting of "fibula" means just that he's got pain from the same injury (ie he came back too soon), as opposed to what you are describing which is almost a second injury to the same area? I have ZERO idea which one it might be and Ive looked a bit. Maybe Ive just missed it. Either way, I agree that if he had a second injury then his outlook is really cloudy.
Its really hard to tell with the way the Bucs are not discussing injuries. And frankly, with the way Licht has run the team, its not difficult to imagine the team sort of taking a flyer on him with this latest contract ("he's earned some grace"), meaning he was always a longshot to come back this year anyway and maybe even that he DID rush back.
How ever it turns out, hard to imagine a better example of a great team player. And, I mean maybe its the room because Evans is an amazing team guy too.
I will never forgive Bowles
new screen name?
Actually, FireBowlesForNotPullingEgbuka . . . . in the same basic scenario. :-)
Actually, WORSE we were down Evans and Godwin . .
except this time, I think all of you posted in the game thread to pull Egbuka when we were down two! "99.8%"
oh . . .wait
nevermind
I don't know what to make of this gibberish other than it doesn't rile me up like you intended...
You might be the only person on the planet that doesn't blame Bowles for leaving Godwin (and the starters) in.
This isn't about Evans. As I've stated prior, that is on the training staff to determine if he should play (just like with Detroit).
It's on Grizz to ease him back into the offense.
It's on Bowles to pull starters.
Not sure why that escapes you
doesn't rile me up like you intended...
absolutely not intended that way. I am 1000% joking. Apologies
The truth in my joke is that the scenarios are similar and no one was in either thread saying pull Godwin (then) or pull Egbuka (now). In other words, its classic fan HINDSIGHT.
Maybe, "pull the starters: (Trask) as, I think an expression of frustration that the game is lost, but a HC isnt a fan.
I also doubt I am the only person who doesnt blame Bowles. People have posted here that injuries are part of the game and my position is ONLY that head coaches in the NFL dont often pull the reigns back because a stat says a win is a longshot. Not even with a QB, let alone a WR.
And I am a HUGE . .. HUGE . . Godwin homer, even posting on here that he is at least a 1b if not a 1a in MULTIPLE offenses. It's a terrible loss. I agree with DH's early frustrated comment that we have been deprived of seeing some of Godwin's best BUT that does not mean that Bowles was supposed to be clairvoyant or, perhaps more reasonably, almost the lone HC to quit playing in that scenario. I mean, I posted examples from THAT WEEKEND of coaches doing the opposite and QUOTES from two highly-respected HC saying exactly the opposite.
Anyway, 100% joking with you.
The worry I have with Godwin is this. The team is basically eating 22 Mil and a roster spot for Godwin this year(he's earned some grace given his career here) but it's a new injury to an already injured area. It was foolish to think that he'd come back this year un-effected, and pick up where he left off before his injury last year.... That being said, with it being a new injury to the same area it could take as long or longer for him to come back from, especially since I feel he rushed back too soon this year. If it does take the full year for him to recover then it becomes foolish to think that he'd be more effective next year whenever he does come back, which leads us to the following year being his potential "normal self" year. That's a tricky proposition because then he is 32 years old with multiple leg injuries and in the last year of his contract. We may never see the Godwin of old again, we can't cut him because it would amount to a 49 million dead cap hit. If he's cut after June first then we carry a 22 Million cap hit each year over 2 years. I mean maybe he is able to come back this year and this whole scenario is moot, but I wouldn't bet on it if I were a betting man.
such an interesting read. lots of really good points
Isn't our best hope for Godwin that the current reporting of "fibula" means just that he's got pain from the same injury (ie he came back too soon), as opposed to what you are describing which is almost a second injury to the same area? I have ZERO idea which one it might be and Ive looked a bit. Maybe Ive just missed it. Either way, I agree that if he had a second injury then his outlook is really cloudy.
Its really hard to tell with the way the Bucs are not discussing injuries. And frankly, with the way Licht has run the team, its not difficult to imagine the team sort of taking a flyer on him with this latest contract ("he's earned some grace"), meaning he was always a longshot to come back this year anyway and maybe even that he DID rush back.
How ever it turns out, hard to imagine a better example of a great team player. And, I mean maybe its the room because Evans is an amazing team guy too.
That's the part that's difficult to get a read on from the team's perspective. Lets take Bucky's injuries for example (shoulder/foot) in a shoulder you've got the acromion, scapula as well as the AC joint, and 4 different muscles that make up the shoulder, the foot you have the heel, metatarsals, and tarsal bones that make up the whole, so lots of moving parts that could contribute to the injury...Listing the fibula specifically there's only so much that can happen to it...According to Bowles he's running on it which could just be pain, but it's also been what 5 weeks? that we've had no update. Why has the team not come out and said "He's experiencing pain" ? The quiet nature leads me to believe that maybe it's something more, especially when SR said that the team hasn't even commented off the record about the injury.
Agreed that Licht could very well have seen this as a "get right" year for Godwin 's contract(especially given Godwin's loyalty) which would then essentially be a 2 year 44 mil deal with anything contributed this year as a bonus. I
Also couldn't agree more about Godwin and Evans as team/teammate first guys. They have the foundational character that you would want to build a team around, and in an ideal world they would both have the opportunity to show their eventual replacements how to carry themselves, as well as the work ethic that is required to be great. Much the same way Vincent Jackson did for Mike. Thankfully some of these young receivers have been exposed to them this year, and for some like Jmac that have had a couple of years with them.
The quiet nature leads me to believe that maybe it's something more, especially when SR said that the team hasn't even commented off the record about the injury.
Agreed.
I guess we will all see. Fingers crossed.
Yes, SR did make that JPP assessment. Different positions tho, with different requirements - as EDGE guys don’t leave their feet as often as WR’s with the ability to make acrobatic catches.as well as CG and /or JMac
I don't know if JMac will ever play again. He has a broken bone in his neck. I don't think I would play football again if I had a broken bone in my neck.
agreed thats why i raised his retirement as a possibility
I think SR said that JPP had a similar injury? maybe from his care wreck? Not sure, but it seem likely that JMac would find himself making acrobatic catches in the future, so seems a pretty big risk
I don’t know how long the clavicle repair surgery needs to heal - I know it’s faster than just letting it heal under normal circumstances. Can Mike legitimately make it back in the regular season, or is he a better bet for the playoffs?
I remember reading on twitter it was a ligament usually those take longer, i will say rarer and i want him fully healthy, he can take the season off until those ligaments heal up, theres a big one that comes to mind when i watch him fall -in regards to JMC
The worry I have with Godwin is this. The team is basically eating 22 Mil and a roster spot for Godwin this year(he's earned some grace given his career here) but it's a new injury to an already injured area. It was foolish to think that he'd come back this year un-effected, and pick up where he left off before his injury last year.... That being said, with it being a new injury to the same area it could take as long or longer for him to come back from, especially since I feel he rushed back too soon this year. If it does take the full year for him to recover then it becomes foolish to think that he'd be more effective next year whenever he does come back, which leads us to the following year being his potential "normal self" year. That's a tricky proposition because then he is 32 years old with multiple leg injuries and in the last year of his contract. We may never see the Godwin of old again, we can't cut him because it would amount to a 49 million dead cap hit. If he's cut after June first then we carry a 22 Million cap hit each year over 2 years. I mean maybe he is able to come back this year and this whole scenario is moot, but I wouldn't bet on it if I were a betting man.
such an interesting read. lots of really good points
Isn't our best hope for Godwin that the current reporting of "fibula" means just that he's got pain from the same injury (ie he came back too soon), as opposed to what you are describing which is almost a second injury to the same area? I have ZERO idea which one it might be and Ive looked a bit. Maybe Ive just missed it. Either way, I agree that if he had a second injury then his outlook is really cloudy.
Its really hard to tell with the way the Bucs are not discussing injuries. And frankly, with the way Licht has run the team, its not difficult to imagine the team sort of taking a flyer on him with this latest contract ("he's earned some grace"), meaning he was always a longshot to come back this year anyway and maybe even that he DID rush back.
How ever it turns out, hard to imagine a better example of a great team player. And, I mean maybe its the room because Evans is an amazing team guy too.
That's the part that's difficult to get a read on from the team's perspective. Lets take Bucky's injuries for example (shoulder/foot) in a shoulder you've got the acromion, scapula as well as the AC joint, and 4 different muscles that make up the shoulder, the foot you have the heel, metatarsals, and tarsal bones that make up the whole, so lots of moving parts that could contribute to the injury...Listing the fibula specifically there's only so much that can happen to it...According to Bowles he's running on it which could just be pain, but it's also been what 5 weeks? that we've had no update. Why has the team not come out and said "He's experiencing pain" ? The quiet nature leads me to believe that maybe it's something more, especially when SR said that the team hasn't even commented off the record about the injury.
Agreed that Licht could very well have seen this as a "get right" year for Godwin 's contract(especially given Godwin's loyalty) which would then essentially be a 2 year 44 mil deal with anything contributed this year as a bonus. I
Also couldn't agree more about Godwin and Evans as team/teammate first guys. They have the foundational character that you would want to build a team around, and in an ideal world they would both have the opportunity to show their eventual replacements how to carry themselves, as well as the work ethic that is required to be great. Much the same way Vincent Jackson did for Mike. Thankfully some of these young receivers have been exposed to them this year, and for some like Jmac that have had a couple of years with them.
he had a pretty catastrophic injury, and the fibula connects into the ankle.
If had to GUESS…He’s probably getting fibula pain because as he’s notgetting as much rom in his ankle. That fibula is moving too much and getting majority of the stress out of his breaks and cuts because of lack of ankle immobility. If he can get some ankle mobility back the fibula wont take as much stress.
Theres a lot of variables im just taking my best educated guess
Im happy he's getting good hometown grace instead of getting torn apart in Boston( this is why tampa is great place for players to stay; we care about our guys). I also want to see the Manster back :)
Glad to see Godwin back he looks much more smoother with better range of motion hopefully the stress fracture doesnt come back
Glad to see Godwin back he looks much more smoother with better range of motion hopefully the stress fracture doesnt come back
His drop was surprising though. Unfortunately, EE's drop wasn't as surprising. It's becoming a weekly occurrence for a guy that was lauded for his hands in college and the preseason.
Glad to see Godwin back he looks much more smoother with better range of motion hopefully the stress fracture doesnt come back
Amen
yes he looked good and he sounded good after the game
