I know these Carr threads are starting to get a little ridiculous, and it seems the majority of this board is against drafting Carr at #7. I'm wondering what Aaron Rodgers draft profile was like when he came out of college. I know he was viewed as a potential #1 overall pick, that fell to the Packers. I don't recall why he fell. Is there any comparison with Rodgers' college career and that of Carr's? Do they have the same body type/playing style? Is Carr somebody that Tedford, a supposed QB guru, could coach up? I did not watch much of Carr this year, and was not a big college fan back when Rodgers played at Cal.
The most similar QB to Rodgers IMO is Bridgewater. That doesn't mean that he will be even close to that good, but in terms of size, athleticism, and delivery, Bridgewater looks like Rodgers.
Did Rodgers only throw screen passes or quick slants about 2-3 yards of the LOS in college? If he did than Carr be comparable.
BIO: Junior college transfer who made a major mark on the Cal program the past two seasons. All-Conference selection as a senior after posting 66.1 percent/2,566/24/8. Also added 247 yards rushing with three additional scores. Junior quarterbacking totals were 61.6 percent/2,903/19/5.POSITIVES: Athletic passer with the physical skills and mental intangibles needed to lead a franchise at the next level. Quickly sets up in the pocket, sells ball fakes and technically very sound. Poised under the rush, steps up to avoid defenders and works to keep the play alive. Patient, buys time in the pocket and waits for receivers to come free. Does an excellent job with his reads and natural looking off the safety. Does not make mental errors and throws the ball away rather than toss the errant pass. Times the short and intermediate throws well, as receivers rarely wait for the ball out of their breaks. Outstanding vision and immediately spots the open receiver. Possesses a quick release, live arm and zips the outs or gets the ball downfield. Throws with touch. Sits in the pocket and takes a big hit in order to get the pass off. Fleet-footed and picks up yardage with his legs when necessary.NEGATIVES: Though accurate, lacks top pass placement and has receivers extending vertically to pull the ball out of the air. Must improve his accuracy down the field. Lacks top footwork releasing the ball off a three step drop. Lacks pocket stature.ANALYSIS: A physically gifted passer with a great understanding of the position, Rodgers has made himself one of the nation's top quarterback prospects the past two seasons. May not fit every system, but should quickly flourish in the NFL for a timing offense that does not throw the ball down the field with regularity. Offers a good amount of upside and is a coachable player who should continually improve his game.PROJECTION: Early First Round
Rodgers also had the opportunity to sit for a few years and learn from one of the greats. No pressure to start.
BIO: Junior college transfer who made a major mark on the Cal program the past two seasons. All-Conference selection as a senior after posting 66.1 percent/2,566/24/8. Also added 247 yards rushing with three additional scores. Junior quarterbacking totals were 61.6 percent/2,903/19/5.POSITIVES: Athletic passer with the physical skills and mental intangibles needed to lead a franchise at the next level. Quickly sets up in the pocket, sells ball fakes and technically very sound. Poised under the rush, steps up to avoid defenders and works to keep the play alive. Patient, buys time in the pocket and waits for receivers to come free. Does an excellent job with his reads and natural looking off the safety. Does not make mental errors and throws the ball away rather than toss the errant pass. Times the short and intermediate throws well, as receivers rarely wait for the ball out of their breaks. Outstanding vision and immediately spots the open receiver. Possesses a quick release, live arm and zips the outs or gets the ball downfield. Throws with touch. Sits in the pocket and takes a big hit in order to get the pass off. Fleet-footed and picks up yardage with his legs when necessary.NEGATIVES: Though accurate, lacks top pass placement and has receivers extending vertically to pull the ball out of the air. Must improve his accuracy down the field. Lacks top footwork releasing the ball off a three step drop. Lacks pocket stature.ANALYSIS: A physically gifted passer with a great understanding of the position, Rodgers has made himself one of the nation's top quarterback prospects the past two seasons. May not fit every system, but should quickly flourish in the NFL for a timing offense that does not throw the ball down the field with regularity. Offers a good amount of upside and is a coachable player who should continually improve his game.PROJECTION: Early First Round
I saw this when I googled Aaron Rodgers Draft Profile, but how does it compare to Carr? Does it at all?
Rodgers also had the opportunity to sit for a few years and learn from one of the greats. No pressure to start.
from what I've heard, Farve did little to help him.
Too soon to close the book on Carr. Never really know what he is capable of until NFL coaches and scouts start exposing him to more translatable drills / game plans (Senior Bowl). Sure, his offense in college may have had him throw tons of screen passes but that doesn't necessarily mean that he cannot thrive in a more Pro-Style offense.
Carr ran a pro style offense when Hill was the coach at Fresno than they changed to a spread O when the new coach arrived so he has played in that O before, saying a guy can't be good because he was only allowed to run a certain O is a joke, scouts want to see what he does in that pro style O and so far he has impressed, kid has the talent lets wait and see before we bash him.
Rodgers also had the opportunity to sit for a few years and learn from one of the greats. No pressure to start.
from what I've heard, Farve did little to help him.
Maybe little hands on...but one can learn a lot by being around someone and watching them. Had Rodgers had to start day 1...I doubt he would be what he is today...but thats just my .02.
Despite where he was ultimately drafted, for most of the draft process, people in the draft community thought Rodgers had a real chance to go #1 overall. I don't think more than a couple people think Carr has the chance to go #1 overall.
Excerpt on Carr from a site I put a lot of value in... good analysis."...What turns me off on Derek Carr is not the numbers or his lineage--his stats are solid-good, considering he mostly trashed MWC teams and pushed output via huge pass-attempt levels. What I don't like is watching him play the actual position of QB. There is no doubt that Derek Carr is a well-coached, well-disciplined QB. You can see the polished throwing motion, the proper foot positioning and release points on most of his throws. You look at Derek Carr, and you see a kind of Robo-QB...polished, perhaps over-polished. It's a rather nuanced thing scouting Derek Carr. At first glance, you see a confident, polished QB. Watch enough tape, and you'll throw-up if you see another no-read, quick pass bubble screen to a WR. Fresno State runs a savvy, fast-tempo run & shoot--and Carr runs it well. What they aren't doing well is traditionally dropping back and picking strong defenses apart. Time and time again, when Carr is forced to go over the middle, or work against tight coverage, I would see him erratic and ineffective. Where he is at his best is pre-designed, quick-release bubble screens to WRs with blockers setting up in front of the receiver--extended hand-offs to his WRs. There is no meticulous reading of the defense--just a lot quick passes, and letting the WR do a lot of the statisitcal work. Carr's skills are NFL-worthy to a degree--quick-release, strong enough arm, smart/quick decision maker when the play is pre-designed. However, you cannot get by on that in the NFL long-term. You can limp along with it for a while, but eventually you will have to challenge the middle--and I do not see evidence of Carr being able to do that with success at the NFL level.To me, Carr is just another WAC/Mountain West QB with high-volume pass-attempts, and high-volume output--that when you boil it down on a "per" basis--it really is not that overly impressive..."(There's a lot more to the evaluation/profile but can't share it all.)
The Fresno system really hurt Carr as a prospect. He's gonna have to prove himself as a passer in the senior bowl. If he performs well, and I believe he will, then his stock will be climbing back to the top 10 talk.
He is performing in the wind, which is also big, at the Senior Bowl making real throws in an NFL offense. Should calm the talk he can't throw anything other than bubble screens, which is silly anyways but obviously is out there.
He is performing in the wind, which is also big, at the Senior Bowl making real throws in an NFL offense. Should calm the talk he can't throw anything other than bubble screens, which is silly anyways but obviously is out there.
I dont see how thats silly since thats whats hes put out there. He has shown a good deep ball and good placement on goal line fade type of plays sure, but the fact is 60% of his passes were less than 5 yards. When he did throw 10-15 yard passes he was often overthrowing or off the mark. He has been inaccurate in that range. People try post a vid of a deeb ball and say "see.." but the deep ball is a completely different thing. You know who else threw a decent deep ball? Tim Tebow, and Josh Freeman to name a couple. You know who sucked at 10-15 yard routes? Well both Tim Tebow and Josh Freeman to name a couple. As for 5 yards or less, both you and I would be very accurate with those passes. Im not saying I dont like Carr, but he is a giant unknown and its not silly, it should be a fact.
