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Arians says he's going to reduce his involvement in the team to allow Bowles to put his own stamp on things.    Well, what does that mean?  

"Arians also said that he won’t be around as much in 2023, as Todd Bowles needs to make his own imprint on the team without him.

“It’s his imprint on it,” Arians said. “His footprint on it – and that’s the way it has to be. I think I might have been around too much last year. I’m not going to be around that much this year – on purpose – because it’s his team. Whatever the Bucs need I’m going to be there. Whatever Jason needs, whatever Todd needs – but I’m going to step back and get out of the way.”

I'm hopped up on Sudafed today, so my brain isn't processing at full speed.  Can somebody explain what I'm supposed to think about this?  so last year Arians was apparently in there making decisions for the team?  Arians is the reason the Bucs were a mess last year?  This is news to me.  

 
Posted : Apr. 25, 2023 9:29 am
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Don't believe the hype.

Arians is trying to take heat off of Bowles.  To an extent Bowles didn't have a full off season to work last year.  But now this off season Bowles is 100% in full control.

 
Posted : Apr. 25, 2023 9:48 am
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Definitely just taking the heat off Bowles 

when he was involved was week 2 when he instigating things and we were 2-0; the NFL then kicked him off the sidelines and we proceeded to go 6-10

bowles lost the locker room after the Carolina loss; hasn’t gained it back

This will be his last year as coach when we end up with 4,5 wins this year 

 
Posted : Apr. 25, 2023 10:00 am
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He may be trying to take the heat off Bowles, or an excuse for him to reduce his involvement because his coaches were fired.  I was under the impression that Arians was basically involved in the personnel side but not the day-to-day practices and player meetings.  Don't know why I think that, but that's my impression.

But if it was actually true that Arians was involved in day to day stuff to the detriment of the team, then it only lowers my impression of Bowles. The head coach has the authority for what happens with the team.  If Arians was involved with the team to the detriment of the team, then that's up to Bowles to tell Arians to butt out.  Bowles is not a young guy like Leftwich.  Bowles knows better than to let anyone interfere in a detrimental way, even Arians.   If he did, then that would be on him.... if it was detrimental.

But I think it's BS.  I don't see how Arians hanging around giving pointers to the quarterbacks or making suggestions was really going to be harmful to the team. He's retired.  He's not going to be starting cliques or trying to undermine the authority of the coach.    He's not going to be questioning what the team is trying to do.  So yes Arians is full of it, but he's only hurting Bowles by coming out with this statement, because it's only going to make people question whether Bowles is really taking charge even now.  

 
Posted : Apr. 25, 2023 11:00 am
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He may be trying to take the heat off Bowles, or an excuse for him to reduce his involvement because his coaches were fired.  I was under the impression that Arians was basically involved in the personnel side but not the day-to-day practices and player meetings.  Don't know why I think that, but that's my impression.

But if it was actually true that Arians was involved in day to day stuff to the detriment of the team, then it only lowers my impression of Bowles. The head coach has the authority for what happens with the team.  If Arians was involved with the team to the detriment of the team, then that's up to Bowles to tell Arians to butt out.  Bowles is not a young guy like Leftwich.  Bowles knows better than to let anyone interfere in a detrimental way, even Arians.   If he did, then that would be on him.... if it was detrimental.

But I think it's BS.  I don't see how Arians hanging around giving pointers to the quarterbacks or making suggestions was really going to be harmful to the team. He's retired.  He's not going to be starting cliques or trying to undermine the authority of the coach.    He's not going to be questioning what the team is trying to do.  So yes Arians is full of it, but he's only hurting Bowles by coming out with this statement, because it's only going to make people question whether Bowles is really taking charge even now.  

 

Whether he was forced out or whether he stepped down to path the way for his guys; you would think he was not involved.  Dont see a scenario in either case that he would have had much involvement in just about anything - from personnel moves to game day strategy. 

 

they made up a job for him to give him the respect he deserves.    If Leftwich was smart, i would assume he would have reached out to Arians for guidance when the offense was devastately bad but ultimately didnt see much movement in the offensive playing calling. 

to me, he was probably more like a cheerleader or mascot than anything else.

 

 

 

 
Posted : Apr. 25, 2023 11:22 am
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I really think he was only there to defend Byron because he was that bad. He had to keep telling us what we were all seeing was an illusion. 

 
Posted : Apr. 25, 2023 12:55 pm
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Arians defended Leftwich after a game with the suggestion that Bowles or at least a conservative philosophy was holding Leftwich back

 
Posted : Apr. 25, 2023 1:28 pm
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Yeah Lefty may have wanted to open it up but Bowles was being more realistic with the current talent and state of the roster.  No Gronk or AB and Godwin coming back from injury.  Throw in Gage slowed down by injury and it was clear to see that the Bucs offense could not go full throttle like Lefty wanted.  Lenny was out of shape and you had White as a rookie along with Goedeke, Otton and Kieft. 

So Bowles made the right choice to try to emphasize a run game with Brady behind a shaky OL.  Keep in mind the Bucs had a bunch of rookie on offense with playing time so it was not like it was a full veteran group.  That is good that the young players logged snaps but also bad as the Bucs were trying to win game and not look to the future as it was Brady's last year.

Basically last year was a puzzling mix of one foot in the win now mode and the other foot in the looking into the future mode.  Very strange.

I think the Bucs should have emphasized a short passing game as that was Brady's forte to jump start a bad running game.  Only then you could open up the shots downfield that Lefty wanted to go with.

But that requires a bit of creativity and that was not in Lefties wheel house.  

 
Posted : Apr. 25, 2023 5:50 pm
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Basically last year was a puzzling mix of one foot in the win now mode and the other foot in the looking into the future mode. 

two different teams though, that was part of the dysfunction.  Bowles dropped into HC role late, but with Arians coaches and Brady

 

In one of the games we had a "clock management issue" that was really a conflict between Brady and Bowles.  In the press conference Bowles said the plan was if first play didnt go well they would kill clock.  It didn't go well. Brady still threw long for a completion. 

 

Bowles said "Well, if Tom sees something . . " lol

 
Posted : Apr. 25, 2023 8:26 pm
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Well, I can't resist bashing Lefty once more. If he's so FN good, why doesn't he have a job in the NFL or NCAA FB?

Arians hired him off the golf course in AZ. Suspect he may be back there working on his short game.

 
Posted : Apr. 25, 2023 9:11 pm
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Basically last year was a puzzling mix of one foot in the win now mode and the other foot in the looking into the future mode. 

two different teams though, that was part of the dysfunction.  Bowles dropped into HC role late, but with Arians coaches and Brady

 

In one of the games we had a "clock management issue" that was really a conflict between Brady and Bowles.  In the press conference Bowles said the plan was if first play didnt go well they would kill clock.  It didn't go well. Brady still threw long for a completion. 

 

Bowles said "Well, if Tom sees something . . " lol

 

But that's the thing...he has the most clutch QB in the history of the NFL...and even last year as he has shown in the Rams, Saints, Cardinals games etc.; and you play for OT against the Browns?

 

it's that kind of decision making as to why he isnt qualified for the job 

 

 
Posted : Apr. 26, 2023 8:19 am
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Basically last year was a puzzling mix of one foot in the win now mode and the other foot in the looking into the future mode. 

two different teams though, that was part of the dysfunction.  Bowles dropped into HC role late, but with Arians coaches and Brady

 

In one of the games we had a "clock management issue" that was really a conflict between Brady and Bowles.  In the press conference Bowles said the plan was if first play didnt go well they would kill clock.  It didn't go well. Brady still threw long for a completion. 

 

Bowles said "Well, if Tom sees something . . " lol

 

But that's the thing...he has the most clutch QB in the history of the NFL...and even last year as he has shown in the Rams, Saints, Cardinals games etc.; and you play for OT against the Browns?

 

it's that kind of decision making as to why he isnt qualified for the job 

 

 

I honestly do not know what the stats say in that scenario, but yes my point was that divided teams lose.

 

Tom Brady with all offensive SB winning coaches (Arians and Leftwich) matched up with battle field promoted DEFENSIVE coach . .  and things start to falter because the OFFENSIVE side with all the power is NOT that good .. .  that team is ENDING . . but Bowles carreer is not, so there immediately becomes a conflict.  Some are thinking about the future, some about this being the "last chance."

 

Recipe for disaster . . we all saw it play out

 

 
Posted : Apr. 26, 2023 10:50 am
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Arians and Brady and the owners are to blame for that ^^^^ dysfunction

 

By the way . .  have to renew for 2 years :-)

 
Posted : Apr. 26, 2023 10:50 am
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Last season was a clunker due to a bunch of oddball crap that went on all offseason, preseason, and regular season. The team never had a chance to shine with all the BS that went on.

 
Posted : Apr. 26, 2023 1:12 pm
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