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Seekpar wrote "Too many drives were stalled out by trying to run the ball on first and/or second down when teams were keying on stopping the run."

 

There is only one problem with that statement. Other teams did not need to key on stopping the run. They didn't need to key on stopping the run. Other teams front 3 or 4 were able to stop the run without dedicating LB's or DB's to stop the run. Other team front 3 or 4 overpowered the Bucs O'line. Other teams keyed on stopping the Bucs passing plays because that is all the Bucs had because of poor offensive line play.

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2023 12:06 pm
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Posted by: @pennywise

Per Geoff Schwartz 

Teams have to commit to running the ball first to open up PA and they don’t

 

but he just played the game , so what would he know 

So did Romo, and he’s been outspoken about this. 

The fucking blatant stupidity to cling to this argument with nearly a decade of actual FACTS/METRICS/DATA to disprove this archaic thinking simply solidifies the fact that the Eagles officially have the biggest collective group of low-IQ dumbasses as a fan base. 

Throw those dipshits a parade. 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 12, 2023 1:00 am
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Posted by: @badtimes

Seekpar wrote "Too many drives were stalled out by trying to run the ball on first and/or second down when teams were keying on stopping the run."

 

There is only one problem with that statement. Other teams did not need to key on stopping the run. They didn't need to key on stopping the run. Other teams front 3 or 4 were able to stop the run without dedicating LB's or DB's to stop the run. Other team front 3 or 4 overpowered the Bucs O'line. Other teams keyed on stopping the Bucs passing plays because that is all the Bucs had because of poor offensive line play.

 

This ^^^^^^^^^

 

 

When a team sits back in a cover 2 type defense to take away the deep threat of Evans you punish them by running and by throwing underneath and in the seam SUCCESSFULLY

 

for most of the season the Bucs were completely unable to do this because of ZERO running game and NO Gronk, injured Godwin etc.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 12, 2023 9:23 am
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Posted by: @badtimes

Seekpar wrote "Too many drives were stalled out by trying to run the ball on first and/or second down when teams were keying on stopping the run."

 

There is only one problem with that statement. Other teams did not need to key on stopping the run. They didn't need to key on stopping the run. Other teams front 3 or 4 were able to stop the run without dedicating LB's or DB's to stop the run. Other team front 3 or 4 overpowered the Bucs O'line. Other teams keyed on stopping the Bucs passing plays because that is all the Bucs had because of poor offensive line play.

 

Bowles saying same thing:

 

""You've got to run the ball better," Bowles said when asked why his offense isn't producing explosive plays. "If you don't suck them up to throw over their head, they're going to stay back all day long...then you've got to take what they give you...we've got to keep working at it. (It) doesn't mean we're not trying to get (explosive plays), just means (the defenses are) back deep enough to where we can't get them. So, we just don't want to throw it over there just to throw it over there."

 

Most of the year the Bucs had to "take what they give you."

 

Every weekend you hear NFL defenders repeat the mantra "we want to make them one dimensional." Its the basic strategy of the Bucs defense

 

 
Posted : Jan. 12, 2023 9:36 am
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Posted by: @badtimes

Seekpar wrote "Too many drives were stalled out by trying to run the ball on first and/or second down when teams were keying on stopping the run."

 

There is only one problem with that statement. Other teams did not need to key on stopping the run. They didn't need to key on stopping the run. Other teams front 3 or 4 were able to stop the run without dedicating LB's or DB's to stop the run. Other team front 3 or 4 overpowered the Bucs O'line. Other teams keyed on stopping the Bucs passing plays because that is all the Bucs had because of poor offensive line play.

 

The OC runs the ball in predictable run downs and run formations. The other side knows what is coming far too often. You should go back and take a look at how many defenders are in the box on first down over the course of the season. Judging by your post, you're going to be mystified.

Opposing defenses have seen the OC slam the ball inside the tackles on early downs a shit-ton this season. It's why the team has been so successful running PA, because it's shocks the hell out of the defense. Unfortunately, it hasn't been implemented near enough by the OC.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 12, 2023 9:49 am
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Posted by: @biggs3535

The OC runs the ball in predictable run downs and run formations. The other side knows what is coming far too often. You should go back and take a look at how many defenders are in the box on first down over the course of the season. Judging by your post, you're going to be mystified.

Opposing defenses have seen the OC slam the ball inside the tackles on early downs a shit-ton this season. It's why the team has been so successful running PA, because it's shocks the hell out of the defense. Unfortunately, it hasn't been implemented near enough by the OC.

100% spot on. 

 
Posted : Jan. 12, 2023 3:46 pm
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That’s the point of running , you want the box crowded , that’s when PA works best

all you need is the threat of running , they don’t have to pop off 5 yards at a time 

 

one last time , running the ball helps PA , if you don’t run , teams will sit back in coverage 

 
Posted : Jan. 12, 2023 3:53 pm
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Posted by: @pennywise

That’s the point of running , you want the box crowded , that’s when PA works best

all you need is the threat of running , they don’t have to pop off 5 yards at a time 

 

one last time , running the ball helps PA , if you don’t run , teams will sit back in coverage 

Holy back pedal, Batman.

No shame. No self-awareness. 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 12, 2023 3:55 pm
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Sign Penny up for CB

 

not saying they are right or that they couldn’t change it, obviously, but there is a PR article with Arians run game coordinator where he’s calling for more running (this season) and mentioning that their run game is all built around that core run between tackles 

 
Posted : Jan. 12, 2023 4:32 pm
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Posted by: @pennywise

That’s the point of running , you want the box crowded

Lolz, you’re a nitwit.

 
Posted : Jan. 12, 2023 7:14 pm
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I give up , too dense ….not my job to teach you football .

running the ball sets up PA , if you can’t grasp that, then you’re a idiot 

 
Posted : Jan. 13, 2023 9:00 am
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Posted by: @pennywise

I give up , too dense ….not my job to teach you football .

running the ball sets up PA , if you can’t grasp that, then you’re a idiot 

Funny watching you back pedal, Nancy. 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 13, 2023 9:01 am
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Posted by: @pennywise

I give up , too dense ….not my job to teach you football .

running the ball sets up PA , if you can’t grasp that, then you’re a idiot 

 

lolz

 

I bet it confounds the hell out of you when teams successfully PA on the first play of the game, before anybody has had a chance to "run the ball and set up PA".

 

Nitwit.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 13, 2023 9:15 am
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Posted by: @biggs3535

lolz

The funniest part is the backpedaling.

Notice the now subtle change in his argument?

His original (and very adamant) stance was that “you have to run well for play action to be effective”

Funny…

 
Posted : Jan. 13, 2023 9:32 am
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SMH , two stooges 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2023 10:35 am
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