At a minimum Baker should get no less than Goff's deal, with about $33.5 million/yr AAV, iirc. That should be the bottom-of-the-barrel offer he should accept. hell, it should be the minimum offer; a lesser offer should be considered an insult, imo
Goff’s deal was for 4 years and also included $110M guaranteed.
That should be a HARD PASS from Licht.
Well, what I was referencing was the AAV of $33.5 million/yr, not so much the length of the deal, but I get where you're coming from. You guys don't want to give Baker a 4-yr deal with that much guaranteed, which I can understand. I was actually thinking a 3-year deal, with about $60 million guaranteed. So around $100,000,000/3 years, $55-$60 million guaranteed with an out for TB after 2 years.
I will say that I think Baker might take just $30 million, now that Coen is the OC and it would mean being able to re-sign Evans, Wirfs, etc. Baker cares more about winning and restoring his reputation/legacy than he is about the total dollars, imo. He's far more motivated by that massive chip on his shoulder than $$$.
My sentiment. That would help EVERYONE, fair market value-Its what TB did in Foxboro before they punted him to the curb. I remember Prescott marginalizing his greed by indicating the Gisele's income is the reason Brady was not asking for Gigantic Paydays. Ill tell you this DAK PRESCOTT WILL NEVER WIN A SB. He prioritizes his want of paper over the prize of BEING the Best. Come to think of it, has their EVER been a SB Winning QB who was THAT Greedy...my knowledge of Football outside the Bucs has been beaten to death already by my own hands, But I cant think of even one "Me-First" attitude QB's to ever win a SB. Anyone think of someone?
Peyton Manning when he left the Colts
He got paid, the team was cash strapped, stunk it up and earned the 1st pick and then took Luck
Manning then won at Denver
At a minimum Baker should get no less than Goff's deal, with about $33.5 million/yr AAV, iirc. That should be the bottom-of-the-barrel offer he should accept. hell, it should be the minimum offer; a lesser offer should be considered an insult, imo
Goff’s deal was for 4 years and also included $110M guaranteed.
That should be a HARD PASS from Licht.
Well, what I was referencing was the AAV of $33.5 million/yr, not so much the length of the deal, but I get where you're coming from. You guys don't want to give Baker a 4-yr deal with that much guaranteed, which I can understand. I was actually thinking a 3-year deal, with about $60 million guaranteed. So around $100,000,000/3 years, $55-$60 million guaranteed with an out for TB after 2 years.
I will say that I think Baker might take just $30 million, now that Coen is the OC and it would mean being able to re-sign Evans, Wirfs, etc. Baker cares more about winning and restoring his reputation/legacy than he is about the total dollars, imo. He's far more motivated by that massive chip on his shoulder than $$$.
My sentiment. That would help EVERYONE, fair market value-Its what TB did in Foxboro before they punted him to the curb. I remember Prescott marginalizing his greed by indicating the Gisele's income is the reason Brady was not asking for Gigantic Paydays. Ill tell you this DAK PRESCOTT WILL NEVER WIN A SB. He prioritizes his want of paper over the prize of BEING the Best. Come to think of it, has their EVER been a SB Winning QB who was THAT Greedy...my knowledge of Football outside the Bucs has been beaten to death already by my own hands, But I cant think of even one "Me-First" attitude QB's to ever win a SB. Anyone think of someone?
Peyton Manning when he left the Colts
He got paid, the team was cash strapped, stunk it up and earned the 1st pick and then took Luck
Manning then won at Denver
Thanks. Damn Manning even. At least tell me he didn't go to Denver where he Finally got his second SB proving that it wasn't a fluke, and arrived with Greed in his eyes first. That would tarnish my image of him. Hes funny, he reminds me of a younger more talented TBradshaw.
hey everyone…watch this
and so instead of baker, who should the Bucs have as their starting QB this year?
Watch what? Your ass speak again? It's pretty talkative, after all.
If Baker goes elsewhere, who the hell do you think they should start? They could sign another so-so vet off the FA wire. Or, they could actually start their second round pick and see if he's worth a shit or not. That's what a smart franchise would do, unless you think a still Super Bowl capable QB is roaming about in FA. If you go Trask then one of two things happens: 1) he works out and you sign him to a long term deal and draft a solid back-up developmental guy in the draft, or 2) he sucks, you let him go (unless he's sat least good enough to be a back-up and will resign for cheap), and you draft another top tier QB and try again (assuming a Super Bowl capable QB doesn't hit FA next year). Don't know what's so hard about that.
If Baker comes back, he's obviously starting and we'll be having glorious conversations about him all year long.
Of course, we already know that you, sir Baddabing Carnack the all great and knowing seer of the future, already know how Trask will perform. You clearly know everything that will happen, right?
Lose Baker.... lose Evans
Baker played better than he did for most of his career but he was still closer to his career averages. Similar thing happened to Geno in his second year but OL injuries and poor defense derailed anything productive Geno did as the Seahawks starter year 2.
This is why giving Mayfield too much cheddar ensures that Mayfield will have a harder time because losing Evans would set the offense back big time.
Mayfield is going to be offered money similar to his skill set and the team is still happy with Trask. It is not the end of the world of the Bucs lose Mayfield because the offense is still many pieces away from being a top tier unit. Bucs need a true staring center, a starting left guard, starting 2 way TE, starting WR on the boundary and RB2 to pair with White.
That is five players on offense alone and the Bucs have needs on defense too (backup NT, Edge rusher opposite of Diaby, ILB, boundary CB, S opposite of Winfield).
It isn't realistic that the Bucs can address all their needs in one off season but if the Bucs overpay for Mayfield it makes it harder to build a team.
Lets say in the worst case scenario that Mayfield and Evans choose to play elsewhere. Well, that makes it 7 positions to have to be addressed on offense so the Bucs will have to start over anyways so Trask is the next man up. But the freed up cap space also means the Bucs will be able to land an edge rusher opposite of Diaby and upgrade safety opposite of Winfield through free agency. That would mean the Bucs go heavy with offense during the draft early and round out the mid to late draft with defensive prospects to build depth.
There is more than one way to build a team and the Bucs are on the right track. Mayfield helps a lot to accelerate the process but giving him too much money would also derail these efforts as well.
Bucs need to be able to keep Winfield, and Wirfs of the team when they are drafted and become dominant in their respective primes.
hey everyone…watch this
and so instead of baker, who should the Bucs have as their starting QB this year?
Watch what? Your ass speak again? It's pretty talkative, after all.
If Baker goes elsewhere, who the hell do you think they should start? They could sign another so-so vet off the FA wire. Or, they could actually start their second round pick and see if he's worth a shit or not. That's what a smart franchise would do, unless you think a still Super Bowl capable QB is roaming about in FA. If you go Trask then one of two things happens: 1) he works out and you sign him to a long term deal and draft a solid back-up developmental guy in the draft, or 2) he sucks, you let him go (unless he's sat least good enough to be a back-up and will resign for cheap), and you draft another top tier QB and try again (assuming a Super Bowl capable QB doesn't hit FA next year). Don't know what's so hard about that.
If Baker comes back, he's obviously starting and we'll be having glorious conversations about him all year long.
Of course, we already know that you, sir Baddabing Carnack the all great and knowing seer of the future, already know how Trask will perform. You clearly know everything that will happen, right?
and look at that, all the words and (can’t call you debatable Debby) gullible gabby gives the name KYLE TRASK 🤣
Listen I get it. The minute Trask lost the job was actually as soon as Bucs signed baker mayfield. All pundits and sports talk shows on ESPN, nflnetwork, FS1, knew baker was starter. As did most fans around the league.
you and a few others obviously were duped by the authorities at one buc place telling you Trask had a shot playing in the 4th quarter of the third preseason game
Keep living in fantasy land
even after this year you still thinking Bucs would go from mayfield to trask?
not even close to being an option.
in terms of another vet, care to give a name? Or you just don’t know?
It is not the end of the world of the Bucs lose Mayfield because the offense is still many pieces away from being a top tier unit.
There is more than one way to build a team and the Bucs are on the right track. Mayfield helps a lot to accelerate the process but giving him too much money would also derail these efforts as well.
Your entire post was good, but these two statements are right on the mark. Great post.
It is not the end of the world of the Bucs lose Mayfield because the offense is still many pieces away from being a top tier unit.
There is more than one way to build a team and the Bucs are on the right track. Mayfield helps a lot to accelerate the process but giving him too much money would also derail these efforts as well.
Your entire post was good, but these two statements are right on the mark. Great post.
Mayfield didn't have the resumes Carr or Tannehill had when they signed their deals. This is another example of the Mayfield delusion. Carr is still better than Mayfield
Derrick Carr... 142 games ... 0-1 playoff record
Tannehill...155 career games .... 2-3 playoff record
Mayfield...86 games... 2-2 playoff record
Exactly where on God's green Earth does either one possess a better resume?
you are arguing with a person who thought Luke McCown was the answer, a guy who thought trask was the answer
the motto: “we haven’t see them play, so yadda yadda yadda”
It’s almost like he must have been third string QB in high school who never got over it to have this kind of thinking and dedication to JAGS back up quarterbacks
After benching McCown before the Falcons game even started the Bucs went 3-17 in their next 20 games with 5 different QBs. You guys still talk about this over a decade later like I wasn't right.
Mayfield didn't have the resumes Carr or Tannehill had when they signed their deals. This is another example of the Mayfield delusion. Carr is still better than Mayfield
Derrick Carr... 142 games ... 0-1 playoff record
Tannehill...155 career games .... 2-3 playoff record
Mayfield...86 games... 2-2 playoff record
Exactly where on God's green Earth does either one possess a better resume?
you are arguing with a person who thought Luke McCown was the answer, a guy who thought trask was the answer
the motto: “we haven’t see them play, so yadda yadda yadda”
It’s almost like he must have been third string QB in high school who never got over it to have this kind of thinking and dedication to JAGS back up quarterbacks
After benching McCown before the Falcons game even started the Bucs went 3-17 in their next 20 games with 5 different QBs. You guys still talk about this over a decade later like I wasn't right.
how did McCown do from that point?
Mayfield is going to be offered money similar to his skill set and the team is still happy with Trask. It is not the end of the world of the Bucs lose Mayfield because
Definitely not the be of the world but it’s a continued retooling then because Evans is likely gone too.
which brings us to the comment about Trask. I wish that you are right, but where did you get that? PR reported the opposite and I think the OC even left him out of his press conference? Maybe not, I just don’t see any mention. Genuinely curious
Can any Trask supporter here point to an actual article saying the team is happy with him? I thought — could be wrong- that the new OC mentioned Mayfield and Wolford, but not Trask?
Genuinely asking because a genuine belief in Trask would change the dynamic with Mayfield, but that does not seem to be the case at all. They brought in a Mayfield-approved OC
Oh and holy moly this thread is On FIRE. It was like at 6 or 7 pages last night, and its at 11. SUmone mentioned PolarIzing somewhere. This is jUst another example of Inconsistency Ballerz faces. Is it his faUlt he's polarIzIng? Is he doIng it on pUrpose. Or is it his contextual circumstances that set the stage? Which side do U CHUSE???? I KNOW whIch SIde Im on. That is all.
hes polarizing because of his past and his inconsistent play this year
With a small but very vocal Gator Trask contingent here the RB is probably more polarized then maybe the total population of Bucs fans.
Winston was very polarizing too. Not coincidence.
The Prose, simple and concise (gotta work on that mIself) and best of all...delightfUl. GJ.
Nice hit on Winston. So Polarizing UFOJOE got on His UFO and Flew off never to be seen again. He couldn't survive EATING the "Second Woman" plate of crow. Never seen a meltdown like that on any board in mI life. And unfortunately, he didn't have anyone here to call a friend. You know, their was a time when I almost joined him in his "boycott" of Winston, it was when he had the Uber incident. In retrospect, I wish I had joIned him sooner. If he still lurks (doubtful), Mea Culpa.
you and me, both.
Every once in awhile, mostly the off-season, I miss ol joe. Never knew where he was going, but it sure was…polarizing.
Based on that STAGED video posted today Baker may not have a signed contract, but to use an Amazon reference the contract is in the cart and it's just a matter of pressing the yellow button. Not that the emotions aren't real, but this was an event that could have been done without a camera if they wanted to keep it on the down low. If there was any shopping around it's been shopped already. No self-respecting agent would let a free agent QB anywhere near the team facilities if they were still negotiating with other teams. And here Baker is hugging the OC at the team facility like he's coming over to his house for the Superbowl party.Can any Trask supporter here point to an actual article saying the team is happy with him? I thought — could be wrong- that the new OC mentioned Mayfield and Wolford, but not Trask?
Genuinely asking because a genuine belief in Trask would change the dynamic with Mayfield, but that does not seem to be the case at all. They brought in a Mayfield-approved OC
Woolford is also a Coen guy. So that leaves Trask with third prize which we know what that means - Trade. If I'm Trask I'm asking for one, but I don't think he'll need to ask. He's worth a late round pick, perhaps Carolina would want him because he knows the offense. but the Bucs won't want to help out Canales. So for that reason I don't think they'll cut Trask loose without a trade. They don't want him to end up on a division rival if they can help it.
Doubt “Ballerz” (I like that, think I’ll use it), will blow up everything he’s just done in an effort to extort the Glazer’s cash…and Jack-up our cap.
He will, of course, sign for more money than the TraskForce thinks he’s worth…probably LOTS more…which will tickle me to no end.
By the way, so will ME… position-ally speaking, and of the two of them, that should concern those worried about the Glazers money - and the TraskForce posing as cap guru’s.
It’s already done. No one went looking for Kyle Trask’s OC, they didn’t run the candidates by Kyle for input. so, sadly, the Trask era is over before it has begun.
That’s ok, I remember saying the same dumb things about Jerry Golstein…you all deserve to learn in your own headspace. It’d be less polarizing if you did learn…but then, you could never generate 10 pages on a fan site talking about Jerry Goldstein, could you?
Well, I guess some of us could…
