I have a question: besides Brady and Mayfield, how many other QBs has Mike Evans played with in his career?
Pretty easy to find out, the bigger question to me is, how many of those QB's that threw him 1,000 yards for over a decade, ever won more than they lost?
P.S., there's a hint in there...[hint: it was in the decade part].
Yeah, Evans' career in some ways looks a lot like Deandre Hopkins'; both had a slew of mediocre QBs but managed to consistently have 1,000+ yard seasons anyway. Says a lot about their actual talent/abilities. Evans has experienced both poor and elite-level QB play; his endorsement of Baker is telling, because he knows the difference. And if he allows himself to be traded/enter FA, he probably goes to a team with a young/inexperienced QB where he'll have to start over in a new system, probably on a worse team. Staying in TB with a QB he already respects, in a system that will feature him, might be enough to convince him to take less than $25-$30 million/yr AAV he probably gets elsewhere.
I have a question: besides Brady and Mayfield, how many other QBs has Mike Evans played with in his career?
Baker is his 6th.
Josh Freeman
Mike Glennon
Jameis Winston
Ryan Fitzmagic...err...Fitzpatrick
Tom Brady
Baker Mayfield
In that order. He hits 1000 yards every year no matter the QB or the offense.
Lol, FitzMagik. Love that guy. You know, he's another Qb that I always thought would've had a better career if he just could've stuck somewhere. Crazy that he has near-HOF numbers in spite of having to deal with a new team and a new system every other year.
Anyway, I was curious about the list of QBs because Evans went to bat for Baker; Evans knows the difference between quality QB play and . . . not. So his seal of approval should have some weight.
Another thing: Coen comes directly from the McVay tree. Look at what McVay did with Cooper Kupp over the years, and Pacua Nacua this season. Evans should be pretty excited to be the focus of Coen's offense getting 130+ targets. And a large percentage of those targets he'll be schemed wide open, instead of having to find ways to beat DBs on his own every time.
It'll be interesting to see if both Baker and Evans take hometown deals; if they do, I'd bet the hiring of Coen will have a lot to do with it.
Dont Forget Chris Godwin. If NOTHING ELSE, HES A BEAST blocking for his teammates. But IMHO, that would be a WASTE of the best-IMHO-Slot WR in the league. Listen, here's another crazy statement....Id Takw CHRIS over Cooper, every single day of the week and TWICE on the Sabbath. Anyhoo, Chris Is a great teammate as well. He Produces virtually EVERYTIME the Ball finds its way into his hands GOOD things happen...first down conversions, TD's, Crack Block to spring a run, and end around...The guy just has this Mean sort of Magic, but he's playing next to ME13 and supporting him. ME's got maybe 3 years high level play, Chris is in his Prime and will take his turn in the Limelight when ME passes him the torch.
So think of it this way. ME is your Chunk play guy, Your dagger to the Heart play guy. Chris is-WE NEED THIS PLAY OR WE DIE play guy. If Ballerz last Int had been targeted to Chris, it MAY have turned out differently...we'll never know. But Dont FORGET HIM. He just needs to go back to the slot and a few more touches per game to show himself off.
At a minimum Baker should get no less than Goff's deal, with about $33.5 million/yr AAV, iirc. That should be the bottom-of-the-barrel offer he should accept. hell, it should be the minimum offer; a lesser offer should be considered an insult, imo
Goff’s deal was for 4 years and also included $110M guaranteed.
That should be a HARD PASS from Licht.
Well, what I was referencing was the AAV of $33.5 million/yr, not so much the length of the deal, but I get where you're coming from. You guys don't want to give Baker a 4-yr deal with that much guaranteed, which I can understand. I was actually thinking a 3-year deal, with about $60 million guaranteed. So around $100,000,000/3 years, $55-$60 million guaranteed with an out for TB after 2 years.
I will say that I think Baker might take just $30 million, now that Coen is the OC and it would mean being able to re-sign Evans, Wirfs, etc. Baker cares more about winning and restoring his reputation/legacy than he is about the total dollars, imo. He's far more motivated by that massive chip on his shoulder than $$$.
I have a question: besides Brady and Mayfield, how many other QBs has Mike Evans played with in his career?
Baker is his 6th.
Josh Freeman
Mike Glennon
Jameis Winston
Ryan Fitzmagic...err...Fitzpatrick
Tom Brady
Baker Mayfield
In that order. He hits 1000 yards every year no matter the QB or the offense.
Lol, FitzMagik. Love that guy. You know, he's another Qb that I always thought would've had a better career if he just could've stuck somewhere. Crazy that he has near-HOF numbers in spite of having to deal with a new team and a new system every other year.
Anyway, I was curious about the list of QBs because Evans went to bat for Baker; Evans knows the difference between quality QB play and . . . not. So his seal of approval should have some weight.
Another thing: Coen comes directly from the McVay tree. Look at what McVay did with Cooper Kupp over the years, and Pacua Nacua this season. Evans should be pretty excited to be the focus of Coen's offense getting 130+ targets. And a large percentage of those targets he'll be schemed wide open, instead of having to find ways to beat DBs on his own every time.
It'll be interesting to see if both Baker and Evans take hometown deals; if they do, I'd bet the hiring of Coen will have a lot to do with it.
Dont Forget Chris Godwin. If NOTHING ELSE, HES A BEAST blocking for his teammates. But IMHO, that would be a WASTE of the best-IMHO-Slot WR in the league. Listen, here's another crazy statement....Id Takw CHRIS over Cooper, every single day of the week and TWICE on the Sabbath. Anyhoo, Chris Is a great teammate as well. He Produces virtually EVERYTIME the Ball finds its way into his hands GOOD things happen...first down conversions, TD's, Crack Block to spring a run, and end around...The guy just has this Mean sort of Magic, but he's playing next to ME13 and supporting him. ME's got maybe 3 years high level play, Chris is in his Prime and will take his turn in the Limelight when ME passes him the torch.
So think of it this way. ME is your Chunk play guy, Your dagger to the Heart play guy. Chris is-WE NEED THIS PLAY OR WE DIE play guy. If Ballerz last Int had been targeted to Chris, it MAY have turned out differently...we'll never know. But Dont FORGET HIM. He just needs to go back to the slot and a few more touches per game to show himself off.
Which Cooper? Amari?
Personally, I always thought Godwin was a pretty good WR; never thought of him as JAG. But I confess, I never really dug into Godwin's role, just glanced at his stats now and again. His numbers always suggested to me that he was a possession-type short-to-intermediate depth WR. Along the lines of say Adam Thielen.
At a minimum Baker should get no less than Goff's deal, with about $33.5 million/yr AAV, iirc. That should be the bottom-of-the-barrel offer he should accept. hell, it should be the minimum offer; a lesser offer should be considered an insult, imo
Goff’s deal was for 4 years and also included $110M guaranteed.
That should be a HARD PASS from Licht.
Well, what I was referencing was the AAV of $33.5 million/yr, not so much the length of the deal, but I get where you're coming from. You guys don't want to give Baker a 4-yr deal with that much guaranteed, which I can understand. I was actually thinking a 3-year deal, with about $60 million guaranteed. So around $100,000,000/3 years, $55-$60 million guaranteed with an out for TB after 2 years.
I will say that I think Baker might take just $30 million, now that Coen is the OC and it would mean being able to re-sign Evans, Wirfs, etc. Baker cares more about winning and restoring his reputation/legacy than he is about the total dollars, imo. He's far more motivated by that massive chip on his shoulder than $$$.
My sentiment. That would help EVERYONE, fair market value-Its what TB did in Foxboro before they punted him to the curb. I remember Prescott marginalizing his greed by indicating the Gisele's income is the reason Brady was not asking for Gigantic Paydays. Ill tell you this DAK PRESCOTT WILL NEVER WIN A SB. He prioritizes his want of paper over the prize of BEING the Best. Come to think of it, has their EVER been a SB Winning QB who was THAT Greedy...my knowledge of Football outside the Bucs has been beaten to death already by my own hands, But I cant think of even one "Me-First" attitude QB's to ever win a SB. Anyone think of someone?
I have a question: besides Brady and Mayfield, how many other QBs has Mike Evans played with in his career?
Baker is his 6th.
Josh Freeman
Mike Glennon
Jameis Winston
Ryan Fitzmagic...err...Fitzpatrick
Tom Brady
Baker Mayfield
In that order. He hits 1000 yards every year no matter the QB or the offense.
Lol, FitzMagik. Love that guy. You know, he's another Qb that I always thought would've had a better career if he just could've stuck somewhere. Crazy that he has near-HOF numbers in spite of having to deal with a new team and a new system every other year.
Anyway, I was curious about the list of QBs because Evans went to bat for Baker; Evans knows the difference between quality QB play and . . . not. So his seal of approval should have some weight.
Another thing: Coen comes directly from the McVay tree. Look at what McVay did with Cooper Kupp over the years, and Pacua Nacua this season. Evans should be pretty excited to be the focus of Coen's offense getting 130+ targets. And a large percentage of those targets he'll be schemed wide open, instead of having to find ways to beat DBs on his own every time.
It'll be interesting to see if both Baker and Evans take hometown deals; if they do, I'd bet the hiring of Coen will have a lot to do with it.
Dont Forget Chris Godwin. If NOTHING ELSE, HES A BEAST blocking for his teammates. But IMHO, that would be a WASTE of the best-IMHO-Slot WR in the league. Listen, here's another crazy statement....Id Takw CHRIS over Cooper, every single day of the week and TWICE on the Sabbath. Anyhoo, Chris Is a great teammate as well. He Produces virtually EVERYTIME the Ball finds its way into his hands GOOD things happen...first down conversions, TD's, Crack Block to spring a run, and end around...The guy just has this Mean sort of Magic, but he's playing next to ME13 and supporting him. ME's got maybe 3 years high level play, Chris is in his Prime and will take his turn in the Limelight when ME passes him the torch.
So think of it this way. ME is your Chunk play guy, Your dagger to the Heart play guy. Chris is-WE NEED THIS PLAY OR WE DIE play guy. If Ballerz last Int had been targeted to Chris, it MAY have turned out differently...we'll never know. But Dont FORGET HIM. He just needs to go back to the slot and a few more touches per game to show himself off.
Which Cooper? Amari?
I always thought Godwin was a pretty good WR; never thought of him as JAG. But I confess, I never really dug into Godwin's role, just glanced at his stats now and again. His numbers always suggested to me that he was a possession-type short-to-intermediate depth WR. Along the lines of say Adam Thielen.
Think Bigger- Kupp. Kupp touches the ball more often is the only real difference- otherwise, they are EXTREMELY similar in every way-most importantly ATTITUDE!
Heres a bit of math.
Impossible or Impossibly improbable Possibly?
Does B+M+G+R+W+V+CK+LVD+AWJ3!=Foundation for a Dynasty? Dunno yet, this is a math problem that can't be calculated by arithmetic, only the passage of time can solve answer it.
At a minimum Baker should get no less than Goff's deal, with about $33.5 million/yr AAV, iirc. That should be the bottom-of-the-barrel offer he should accept. hell, it should be the minimum offer; a lesser offer should be considered an insult, imo
Goff’s deal was for 4 years and also included $110M guaranteed.
That should be a HARD PASS from Licht.
Well, what I was referencing was the AAV of $33.5 million/yr, not so much the length of the deal, but I get where you're coming from. You guys don't want to give Baker a 4-yr deal with that much guaranteed, which I can understand. I was actually thinking a 3-year deal, with about $60 million guaranteed. So around $100,000,000/3 years, $55-$60 million guaranteed with an out for TB after 2 years.
I will say that I think Baker might take just $30 million, now that Coen is the OC and it would mean being able to re-sign Evans, Wirfs, etc. Baker cares more about winning and restoring his reputation/legacy than he is about the total dollars, imo. He's far more motivated by that massive chip on his shoulder than $$$.
My sentiment. That would help EVERYONE, fair market value-Its what TB did in Foxboro before they punted him to the curb. I remember Prescott marginalizing his greed by indicating the Gisele's income is the reason Brady was not asking for Gigantic Paydays. Ill tell you this DAK PRESCOTT WILL NEVER WIN A SB. He prioritizes his want of paper over the prize of BEING the Best. Come to think of it, has their EVER been a SB Winning QB who was THAT Greedy...my knowledge of Football outside the Bucs has been beaten to death already by my own hands, But I cant think of even one "Me-First" attitude QB's to ever win a SB. Anyone think of someone?
Peyton Manning when he left the Colts
He got paid, the team was cash strapped, stunk it up and earned the 1st pick and then took Luck
Manning then won at Denver
At a minimum Baker should get no less than Goff's deal, with about $33.5 million/yr AAV, iirc. That should be the bottom-of-the-barrel offer he should accept. hell, it should be the minimum offer; a lesser offer should be considered an insult, imo
Goff’s deal was for 4 years and also included $110M guaranteed.
That should be a HARD PASS from Licht.
Well, what I was referencing was the AAV of $33.5 million/yr, not so much the length of the deal, but I get where you're coming from. You guys don't want to give Baker a 4-yr deal with that much guaranteed, which I can understand. I was actually thinking a 3-year deal, with about $60 million guaranteed. So around $100,000,000/3 years, $55-$60 million guaranteed with an out for TB after 2 years.
I will say that I think Baker might take just $30 million, now that Coen is the OC and it would mean being able to re-sign Evans, Wirfs, etc. Baker cares more about winning and restoring his reputation/legacy than he is about the total dollars, imo. He's far more motivated by that massive chip on his shoulder than $$$.
My sentiment. That would help EVERYONE, fair market value-Its what TB did in Foxboro before they punted him to the curb. I remember Prescott marginalizing his greed by indicating the Gisele's income is the reason Brady was not asking for Gigantic Paydays. Ill tell you this DAK PRESCOTT WILL NEVER WIN A SB. He prioritizes his want of paper over the prize of BEING the Best. Come to think of it, has their EVER been a SB Winning QB who was THAT Greedy...my knowledge of Football outside the Bucs has been beaten to death already by my own hands, But I cant think of even one "Me-First" attitude QB's to ever win a SB. Anyone think of someone?
Peyton Manning when he left the Colts
He got paid, the team was cash strapped, stunk it up and earned the 1st pick and then took Luck
Manning then won at Denver
Thanks. Damn Manning even. At least tell me he didn't go to Denver where he Finally got his second SB proving that it wasn't a fluke, and arrived with Greed in his eyes first. That would tarnish my image of him. Hes funny, he reminds me of a younger more talented TBradshaw.
hey everyone…watch this
and so instead of baker, who should the Bucs have as their starting QB this year?
Watch what? Your ass speak again? It's pretty talkative, after all.
If Baker goes elsewhere, who the hell do you think they should start? They could sign another so-so vet off the FA wire. Or, they could actually start their second round pick and see if he's worth a shit or not. That's what a smart franchise would do, unless you think a still Super Bowl capable QB is roaming about in FA. If you go Trask then one of two things happens: 1) he works out and you sign him to a long term deal and draft a solid back-up developmental guy in the draft, or 2) he sucks, you let him go (unless he's sat least good enough to be a back-up and will resign for cheap), and you draft another top tier QB and try again (assuming a Super Bowl capable QB doesn't hit FA next year). Don't know what's so hard about that.
If Baker comes back, he's obviously starting and we'll be having glorious conversations about him all year long.
Of course, we already know that you, sir Baddabing Carnack the all great and knowing seer of the future, already know how Trask will perform. You clearly know everything that will happen, right?
Lose Baker.... lose Evans
Baker played better than he did for most of his career but he was still closer to his career averages. Similar thing happened to Geno in his second year but OL injuries and poor defense derailed anything productive Geno did as the Seahawks starter year 2.
This is why giving Mayfield too much cheddar ensures that Mayfield will have a harder time because losing Evans would set the offense back big time.
Mayfield is going to be offered money similar to his skill set and the team is still happy with Trask. It is not the end of the world of the Bucs lose Mayfield because the offense is still many pieces away from being a top tier unit. Bucs need a true staring center, a starting left guard, starting 2 way TE, starting WR on the boundary and RB2 to pair with White.
That is five players on offense alone and the Bucs have needs on defense too (backup NT, Edge rusher opposite of Diaby, ILB, boundary CB, S opposite of Winfield).
It isn't realistic that the Bucs can address all their needs in one off season but if the Bucs overpay for Mayfield it makes it harder to build a team.
Lets say in the worst case scenario that Mayfield and Evans choose to play elsewhere. Well, that makes it 7 positions to have to be addressed on offense so the Bucs will have to start over anyways so Trask is the next man up. But the freed up cap space also means the Bucs will be able to land an edge rusher opposite of Diaby and upgrade safety opposite of Winfield through free agency. That would mean the Bucs go heavy with offense during the draft early and round out the mid to late draft with defensive prospects to build depth.
There is more than one way to build a team and the Bucs are on the right track. Mayfield helps a lot to accelerate the process but giving him too much money would also derail these efforts as well.
Bucs need to be able to keep Winfield, and Wirfs of the team when they are drafted and become dominant in their respective primes.
hey everyone…watch this
and so instead of baker, who should the Bucs have as their starting QB this year?
Watch what? Your ass speak again? It's pretty talkative, after all.
If Baker goes elsewhere, who the hell do you think they should start? They could sign another so-so vet off the FA wire. Or, they could actually start their second round pick and see if he's worth a shit or not. That's what a smart franchise would do, unless you think a still Super Bowl capable QB is roaming about in FA. If you go Trask then one of two things happens: 1) he works out and you sign him to a long term deal and draft a solid back-up developmental guy in the draft, or 2) he sucks, you let him go (unless he's sat least good enough to be a back-up and will resign for cheap), and you draft another top tier QB and try again (assuming a Super Bowl capable QB doesn't hit FA next year). Don't know what's so hard about that.
If Baker comes back, he's obviously starting and we'll be having glorious conversations about him all year long.
Of course, we already know that you, sir Baddabing Carnack the all great and knowing seer of the future, already know how Trask will perform. You clearly know everything that will happen, right?
and look at that, all the words and (can’t call you debatable Debby) gullible gabby gives the name KYLE TRASK 🤣
Listen I get it. The minute Trask lost the job was actually as soon as Bucs signed baker mayfield. All pundits and sports talk shows on ESPN, nflnetwork, FS1, knew baker was starter. As did most fans around the league.
you and a few others obviously were duped by the authorities at one buc place telling you Trask had a shot playing in the 4th quarter of the third preseason game
Keep living in fantasy land
even after this year you still thinking Bucs would go from mayfield to trask?
not even close to being an option.
in terms of another vet, care to give a name? Or you just don’t know?
It is not the end of the world of the Bucs lose Mayfield because the offense is still many pieces away from being a top tier unit.
There is more than one way to build a team and the Bucs are on the right track. Mayfield helps a lot to accelerate the process but giving him too much money would also derail these efforts as well.
Your entire post was good, but these two statements are right on the mark. Great post.
It is not the end of the world of the Bucs lose Mayfield because the offense is still many pieces away from being a top tier unit.
There is more than one way to build a team and the Bucs are on the right track. Mayfield helps a lot to accelerate the process but giving him too much money would also derail these efforts as well.
Your entire post was good, but these two statements are right on the mark. Great post.
Mayfield didn't have the resumes Carr or Tannehill had when they signed their deals. This is another example of the Mayfield delusion. Carr is still better than Mayfield
Derrick Carr... 142 games ... 0-1 playoff record
Tannehill...155 career games .... 2-3 playoff record
Mayfield...86 games... 2-2 playoff record
Exactly where on God's green Earth does either one possess a better resume?
you are arguing with a person who thought Luke McCown was the answer, a guy who thought trask was the answer
the motto: “we haven’t see them play, so yadda yadda yadda”
It’s almost like he must have been third string QB in high school who never got over it to have this kind of thinking and dedication to JAGS back up quarterbacks
After benching McCown before the Falcons game even started the Bucs went 3-17 in their next 20 games with 5 different QBs. You guys still talk about this over a decade later like I wasn't right.