If you accept the premise that Mayfield and Evans are basically a package deal (as Mayfield seems to describe it)
I haven't read that anywhere but if he has intimated that then they both can't expect to be paid in the $30mil range, which is what I've read on more than a few sites...
it has been written about, based on media row interviews Baker did with Rich Eisen & Dan Patrick.If you accept the premise that Mayfield and Evans are basically a package deal (as Mayfield seems to describe it)
I haven't read that anywhere but if he has intimated that then they both can't expect to be paid in the $30mil range, which is what I've read on more than a few sites...
In fact, (shameless plug, incoming), I used it in a thread, here:
https://www.pewterreport.com/community/the-red-board/ballerz-mayfield-interview-on-rich-eisen/
If you accept the premise that Mayfield and Evans are basically a package deal (as Mayfield seems to describe it)
I haven't read that anywhere but if he has intimated that then they both can't expect to be paid in the $30mil range, which is what I've read on more than a few sites...
I think there are a couple articles with Mayfield using the word "sacrifice" to suggest thats how they could both get it done.
"Oh, I think there will be some sacrifices along the way. There are mutual benefits for us to come back together," Baker said."
@bucsbits Then Baker can't expect to be paid in the $30mil range because I think Mike wants to get paid this year since he wasn't able to get an extension with the Bucs the last 2 years...
If you accept the premise that Mayfield and Evans are basically a package deal (as Mayfield seems to describe it)
I haven't read that anywhere but if he has intimated that then they both can't expect to be paid in the $30mil range, which is what I've read on more than a few sites...
well I dont think Evans is expecting $30M or if he is, that will be coming down to reality.
He should get a 3 year, $75M deal with would get him an average of $25M per year. The only WRs ahead of him would be Tyreek Hill ($30M), Davante Adams ($28M), Cooper Kupp ($27M) and tied with AJ Brown at (25M)
Evans is entering his age 31 season. This would be a good deal for both he and the Bucs. The Bucs actually giving him a bit of a thank you for all he is done and to reward him with the $25M value per year. I think most in free agency will be concerned with his age but still willing to give him north of $20M per year to join the team. I'm looking at a team like Baltimore or Kansas City looking to reload.
The Bucs will have to reward Evans with a "non hometown" discount to get Mike back and they should do it as soon as they can. Mike may want to be testing the market to get his best price however so we will be at the mercy of that if he is nice enough to want to come back to us and avoid the temptation of playing with Mahomes.
in terms of Baker, there are 16 QBs with an average annual value of $33.5M or more. He is right in that threshold. We all wanted the $25M value but i think he will settle in anywhere from $28M to $33M per year. Just the nature of the position being higher cost.
@bucsbits Then Baker can't expect to be paid in the $30mil range because I think Mike wants to get paid this year since he wasn't able to get an extension with the Bucs the last 2 years...
I guess we will see.
I dont really pay much attention to the individual contract thing because it always seems to work out.
So here the goal is to get Mayfield and Evans. If that is $35 to Mayfield and 26M to Evans and they are able to do the other things they want with players, then great. All NFL contracts are sort of a shell game anyway and no GM is thinking they keep their job by plus/minus a couple million, certainly as compared to losing a key player.
I know that is not a popular/common view here but we just spent two years saddling ourselves with big contracts for many players who barely contribute or who are injured or who or are retired and still managed to field a competitive team
Just the nature of the position being higher cost.
This is the thing about player contracts. The "safe harbor," so to speak, for BOTH the agent and the GM, is the not that elusive concept of a market price. Agents and GMs work together on many player contracts so they have to sort of co-exist going forward. I would guess this is one reason that many contracts fall within the general area of plausible deniability lol and one reason why I kind of view it as mostly (not always) much ado about nuttin.
What does it mean to the Bucs chances next season if Mayfield "is worth $25" and he gets $27? This year they got him for $4 (or $8) so if they get him for the next 2 at more than $25, dont they have to average that with the $4? In other words, "we paid Baker $30 and $30 and were in the playoffs for 2 of those three years with a QB spend of $21 per" or whatever the math is.
Stated differently, if $35 this year is too much, $4 last year was a steal . . so . .
BC - nice rundown, it’s in-line with how I see it washing out.
it is reasonable that the Bucs would use a media source to float the idea that they won’t be pushed around (great work Ira).
and to think an agent might do the same
""Coaches around the league admire Mayfield’s competitiveness and skill level, so he’ll surely have interest on the market -- perhaps even from NFC South-rival Atlanta, where former Rams assistants Raheem Morris and Zac Robinson are now in charge," Rapoport, Pelissero and Garafolo write."
Turn about is fair play.it is reasonable that the Bucs would use a media source to float the idea that they won’t be pushed around (great work Ira).
and to think an agent might do the same
""Coaches around the league admire Mayfield’s competitiveness and skill level, so he’ll surely have interest on the market -- perhaps even from NFC South-rival Atlanta, where former Rams assistants Raheem Morris and Zac Robinson are now in charge," Rapoport, Pelissero and Garafolo write."
One argument for using the franchise tag on Mayfield seems to be the statistical likelihood that he regresses in 2024. Not because of a deficiency per se, but just because its not that common to have back-to-back CAREER years. Use the tag to assess him, base any subsequent long-term deal on two years of data.
Of course, as WT correctly points out above, some of the chatter is probably just the two sides posturing.
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Thats tough. Im sure even as I type this out, they are all working these deals out, ironing out the details of how to make sure EVERYONE gets THEIRz. I BELIEVE in KeepIng what I kIll.
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Since we know players hate the tag, and they already fot him to "prove it" deal - for an amount equal to what back-ups like Fameous Winston, Mike White and Marcus Mariota made riding a bench - it seems a bit odd (and why I think it's likely posturing...).
We could tag him, but the cap hit would ensure we have less cap room for our other FA's. I doubt it's used for more than bargaining, but it could keep Atlanta, Washington, Pittsburgh, Denver, (etc) from grabbing him.
As discussed, almost ad nauseum, it seems to make more sense/flexibility to do a multi-year deal - and if the tag value for a QB is $35 mil, you have a floor already established - but I could see this as an option if progress breaks down by the February 19th date (re-signing your current FA's before this deadline saves the Bucs $8 mil in cap space).
Not sure for the need for posturing, seems like the structure already exists... odd?
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Interesting breakdown on QB Power rankings for 2024 - would argue with the ranking of Baker - but not too much. I'd say they undervalued him by somewhere between 3 to 5 spots (rankd him behind Kirk Cousins, Geno Smith, Anthony Richardson, and Kyler Murray) - but won't argue with the specific analysis.
Ranking Every NFL Quarterback Entering 2024 Offseason | The 33rd Team
