Complete under-value.
Not trying to convince anyone, just trying to bring a little relevance to the conversation.
Fortunately, your analytics aren’t factoring into the equation on the consideration of Mayfield.
have you ever watched Baker in college? Just asking, because throwing deep is kind of his wheelhouse.
Maybe, but not as a Buc.
It is actually in his wheelhouse though, as a pro. This discussion is a great example of Biggs POLLUTING the Red Board with INCOMPLETE STATS, ESPECIALLY when he posted this little beauty as trash talking lol:
I bet that just another stat to ignore by default.
The STAT discussed below are WIDELY-AVAILABLE but "ignored by default" by Biggs. Thye come from an article discussing a BAD . . . emphasis on BAD . . deep ball year for Mayfield. The article is discussing a BAD year because he was SO GOOD the year before (and then later too). Ironically (or not with Biggs) the support for Mayfield as a good deep pass thrower (top ten, etc) is BASED ON THE NEXT GEN stats that people like Biggs use so often . . . well, when they fit with the TROLL, I guess:
This is from a Browns website QUOTING a REGULAR NEXT GEN column on 2019 DEEP PASSING written by Nick Shook placing Mayfield at #10 in a. BAD SEASON. He writes it every year so if you look you will see Mayfield Top 10 in DEEP PASSES again for the 2020 season, but this, again, is for the BAD YEAR of 2019
HERE'S THE KEY POINT WHEN YOU READ IT . . . QB STATS ARE OFTEN DRIVEN BY THE TEAM CIRCUMSTANCES . .thats why its DUMB to dicuss them in a vaccum. Note the part AT THE BOTTOM from NEXT GEN STATS. I added BOLD at the key part.
"Baker Mayfield digs the deep ball
Browns quarterback was among league’s best on deep passes despite posting a disappointing 2019 campaign.
Unable to duplicate the success of his rookie campaign, when Mayfield broke the record for touchdown passes by a first-year quarterback, . . . Mayfield saw his [season long] completion percentage, touchdown passes, yards gained from pass attempts and his quarterback rating decline from his rookie season, while his interceptions and number of sacks increased.
There was one thing that Mayfield was good at, however, at that was throwing the deep ball.
That is according to NFL.com’s Nick Shook, who used Next Gen Stats to determine the top 10 quarterbacks from last season who excelled at completing long passes. Shook took each quarterback’s completion percentage above expectation (the difference between a quarterback’s actual completion percentage and expected completion percentage), eliminated any pass attempt of less than 20 air yards, and came up with his list.
Mayfield checks in at No. 10 with a difference of +3.9 percentage points:
"Mayfield’s deep-ball passer rating was significantly worse than his rookie season (as was much of his game from Year 1 to Year 2), dropping from 106 to 72.9. The heaves for big plays turned into heaves for big turnovers in 2019 for Mayfield, who was one of two quarterbacks on this list to post an even or worse TD-to-INT ratio on deep passes. Having said all of that, Mayfield still found a way to squeeze passes into places they shouldn’t fit, attempting tight-window throws on 40.6 percent of deep attempts while enjoying the luxury of open receivers on just 14.1 percent of such attempts. An offseason for his star receivers to get healthy should boost these numbers in 2020."
SO, two points
1) Mayfield does actually have deep throwing in his PROFESSIONAL wheelhouse
2) Always assume the truth is somewhere beyond whatever Biggs posts lol, ESPECIALLY when his claims are STATISTICAL and found in a back and forth like theone above
:-)
Mayfield was 13th in the NFL in Air Yards in 2019 with a QB rating 72.9 on those deep passes. Some dude's list aside, this isn't a "wheelhouse" for any QB. Per the usual, the loon has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
Shameless and clueless: it's one helluva combo.
1) Mayfield does actually have deep throwing in his PROFESSIONAL wheelhouse
2) Always assume the truth is somewhere beyond whatever Biggs posts lol, ESPECIALLY when his claims are STATISTICAL and found in a back and forth like theone above
Since you're replying to my post, I am assuming you are posting to my comment. Regarding # 1, I don't care what his stats or performances were with other teams. That's why I stated "not as a Buc." Regarding #2, my "truth" is not based on anyone else's post, it's based on watching every game this past year.
1) Mayfield does actually have deep throwing in his PROFESSIONAL wheelhouse
2) Always assume the truth is somewhere beyond whatever Biggs posts lol, ESPECIALLY when his claims are STATISTICAL and found in a back and forth like theone above
Since you're replying to my post, I am assuming you are posting to my comment. Regarding # 1, I don't care what his stats or performances were with other teams. That's why I stated "not as a Buc." Regarding #2, my "truth" is not based on anyone else's post, it's based on watching every game this past year.
Well, I was responding to the "maybe" in your post. My apologies. I was trying to fill the gap between "college" and "as a Buc."
I mean, if you want to limit your views about Mayfield to this year thats fine, but for my part, the larger the sample size the more relevant. And the point still remains that during his ROCKY career Mayfield has been lauded multiple years for his deep passing. In the 2019 year that I referenced, the team is an absolute mess lol
Mayfield's Air Yards Ranking:
2018: 14th
2019: 13th
2020: 12th
2021: 24th
2022: 29th
2023: 11th
Using multiple seasons and using advanced metrics, I can see how this facet of his game can be seen as a "wheelhouse" for the Baker Bros.
Next Gen Stats
Multiple years
maybe read a little more closely
The dude's list was for 2019.
Shameless and clueless: it's one helluva combo.
I was not. Its an annual list. I used AN EXAMPLE that was 2019 and did so because it was a BAD year
You know all of that though because you are the "shameless and clueless" and DISHONEST one. (helluva TRIO) because you are a troll and nothing more. Anyone who reads your post could've predicted that you would FLIP IMMEDIATELY to discounting NEXT GEN STATS that you ignored even though you throw around analytics all the time lol
and, hilariously . . . just posted about your "fair" critiques of mayfield. ROFLMAO
Using multiple seasons and using advanced metrics,
now . . . using (a single) advance metric. When those same advanced metrics (plural) undercut you . . .
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Some dude's list
LOL
2021: 24th
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing_advanced.htm
Mayfield IAY/A: 8.6 (14 games)
Mayfield CAY/A: 6.5
we have the most prolific offense in the NFL in 2021, right?
Brady IAY: 8.1
Bardy CAY: 5.7
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mayfield-average-career-air-yards-per-pass-attempt
Brady career AY: 7.4
Mayfield career AY: 7.2
Some [other] dudes' list
2021: 24th
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing_advanced.htm
Mayfield IAY/A: 8.6 (14 games)
Mayfield CAY/A: 6.5
we have the most prolific offense in the NFL in 2021, right?
Brady IAY: 8.1
Bardy CAY: 5.7
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mayfield-average-career-air-yards-per-pass-attempt
Brady career AY: 7.4
Mayfield career AY: 7.2
Biggs, you should keep switching stats . . . it works for you :-)
