You continue to show you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
It does not feel that way . . . but okay
That's why I stated "not as a Buc."
I looked to try to give some context.
Using the metrics discussed here (and conceding their limitations), 2023 Mayfield is about as effective a deep passer as 2021 Brady
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing_advanced.htm
Mayfield attempts slightly deeper passes (IAY) and completes slightly more air yards per completion (CAY). Very slightly more.
As simpler way to look at that is to look at Evans, our primary deep threat. I think in 2021 Evans has very slightly less catches and less yards and a slightly lowers average and about the same TDs, 2021 to 2023. In other words, the seasons are very similar statistically speaking.
Not comparing him to Brady. Brady is the GOAT. Just using Brady as the statistical reference point
I looked to try to give some context.
Fair enough. However, it's going to take more than excuses for Baker, or comparisons to 40 year old QB's, or obscure stats to convince me Baker is the best the Bucs can do. Posters ask who else then? I don't know. Keep on looking, but don't settle for mediocrity. If it was me, I would take whatever QB we could afford and use the remaining capital on strengthening other positions so that when the right QB is found the team is set for a good run. Baker is not that QB, IMO.
I looked to try to give some context.
Fair enough. However, it's going to take more than excuses for Baker, or comparisons to 40 year old QB's, or obscure stats to convince me Baker is the best the Bucs can do. Posters ask who else then? I don't know. Keep on looking, but don't settle for mediocrity. If it was me, I would take whatever QB we could afford and use the remaining capital on strengthening other positions so that when the right QB is found the team is set for a good run. Baker is not that QB, IMO.
Fair enough back at you, although maybe the "comparisons to 40 year old QB's" is a bit unfair because I didnt compare him tposome random 40 year old QB lol.
But, even if you dont want to answer "who" that alternate QB would be (apparently we can afford most) how about just responding on HOW? or even WHY?
For HOW . ..
How would you expect the TEAM itself to react if, for example, Licht comes out TOMORROW and says "we were willing to pay Mayfield $28million he wanted $29 million, so he's walking away and so Evans called to say he's leaving too then?"
How about the fans? The same ones who would be marching up to OBP with pitchforks, do they BUY the season tickets the team sells?
And for the "why" woudl be why all the ANGST? Arent we mostly discussing things that are NOT LIKELY TO BE REAL?
You said BUY any cheaper QB "and use the remaining capital on strengthening other positions so that when the right QB is found the team is set for a good run." That is really not the way NFL teams run, at least not long term. Thats not even the way the Bucs have won a SB. Its not the way because the turn around of a team is NOT as big a leap as some suggest. The Chiefs had SMITH. He was THEIR GUY until they moved up to draft Mahomes. We got The Bull about a season or two before the Super Bowl and maybe that was a team set to win but many would have said wrong QB. (I am a big fan of The Bull but . . )
We had WINSTON drafted to be that QB, but he was never that and that team sure didnt look like a SB contender, but then we got the Goat and boom a Super Bowl with the defense playing a big part, so that team was actually up to the task. We lost WITH THE GOAT too.
So, I think the counter view expressed by quite a few here is just that IT IS NOT an either/or thing.
Signing Mayfield now doesn't = committed to mediocrity. NFL teams dont basically sit it out because they dont have the GOAT at QB this season. The Lions will release or trade their QB?
In fact, the opposite is port of true. When teams think they are close they spend on talent available. Mayfield is the best talent available, as implied by your post. Evans, the best talent available. Winfield . . This is basically the same team that was supposedly Super Bowl ready in 2022. Mayfield took them FURTHER than the GOAT so the team definitely thinks it is close.
No way Licht just chucks that all aside
You continue to show you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
It does not feel that way . . . but okay
I'm sure it doesn't. That would be because you lack any and all self-awareness and shame.
I looked to try to give some context.
Bwhahahahahahahahahaha!
Take the last post that your pathetic, lonely ass desperately needs.
You continue to show you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
It does not feel that way . . . but okay
I'm sure it doesn't. That would be because you lack any and all self-awareness and shame.
I looked to try to give some context.
Bwhahahahahahahahahaha!
Take the last post that your pathetic, lonely ass desperately needs.
"Projection is the process of displacing one's feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one's own unacceptable urges to another."
If it was me, I would take whatever QB we could afford
According to CBS Sports’ Kyle Stackpole’s mock draft, he predicts the Buccaneers to land University of Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr. with the No. 26 overall pick.
Signing Mayfield now doesn't = committed to mediocrity.
This may be true if the Bucs sign him to a contract that is guaranteed for just a couple years and we can cut him after that. But, a contact where we are stuck with him long term is most definitely committed to mediocrity. That's who he has been. That's who he is.
If you don’t know who is better, you don’t offer a better option, you just want someone other than Baker…that is the very definition of settling for mediocrity.
A QB who wins a playoff game - convincingly, and competing to the very end of a divisional round, in your first year, with a new OC, a thrown together offensive line and no running game - is not mediocre.
What you have settled for is unrealistic expectations…and hopey change.
a thrown together offensive line
That played admirably, you might add.
Signing Mayfield now doesn't = committed to mediocrity.
This may be true if the Bucs sign him to a contract that is guaranteed for just a couple years and we can cut him after that. But, a contact where we are stuck with him long term is most definitely committed to mediocrity. That's who he has been. That's who he is.
This is sort of what I meant with my "why" question, why all the angst?
Licht signed Brady to a 2 year deal.
Geno Smith got a 3 year deal.
Daniel Jones, a 4 year deal but apparently really a 2 year because most of the guaranteed $ is there and the Giants are saying they would draft a QB in 2024 (lol)
Goff was on 4 year contract
Stafford got a 4 year contract extension but even that was very front loaded and gives the Rams an out after 2
In other words, most QB contracts are not long-term deals that cannot be shuffled and even then a long term contract (that he's unlikely to get) is only "committed to mediocrity" because you believe Mayfield has been mediocre and that is "who he is."
What if you are wrong?
The line was not bad, but we all know the interior of the line struggled, Hainsey struggled at center, Goedeke struggled early, Cody Mauch had some adjustments, guard play was weak. Yep, Baker had a lot to deal with, especially early.That played admirably, you might add
Shhh…
It was because of bAlLeRz mAyFiElD
It's why the interior line is a focus for improvement in 2024, it's also why Bowels wanted Baker.
That played admirably, you might add
Shhh…
It was because of bAlLeRz mAyFiElD
last year was partially because of Brady’s quick release so certainly this year Mayfield has a part of it because of scrambling etc.
I think Canales helped our line more than anything because he kept defenses off balance
Even if he had to use Rachaad White as a battering ram to keep them off balance…
