To me, the focus on last season only is inconsistent.
That bolded part is the summation of his entire career.
Which we've all discussed and acknowledged (sans the 3-4 people who "randomly" appeared the last month or so).
Full circle.
I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season
Good call. Nobody has ever said that throwing deep is Baker Mayfield's wheelhouse. There also wasn't a second dumbass that tried to validate that. None of those things have happened.
I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season
Good call. Nobody has ever said that throwing deep is Baker Mayfield's wheelhouse. There also wasn't a second dumbass that tried to validate that. None of those things have happened.
"some dude's list"
Biggs, at some point its going to get boring watching you CHOOSE to repeatedly club yourself like a seal.
some point
To me, the focus on last season only is inconsistent.
That bolded part is the summation of his entire career.
well, but that ^^^ "summation of his entire career" is what I meant.
If you look at this discussion ABOUT DEEP PASSING, the Mayfield critics are/were focusing on THIS YEAR ONLY. Kermit makes a point of that "as a Buc!" And even then "the this year only group" still mostly acknowledges what we alll saw ith our wyes (credit to Kermit!) which was a difference between early season and late season.
So which is it? Is it MORE reasonable to say Mayfield's deep ball abilites are the first half of 2023" or "this is what a . . . 'summation of his entire career'" tell us?
Mosty critics use some form of "his entire career," just as you've said here, except it seems on this issue. So, some posters provided the 'entire career" CONTEXT. And that was the point Biggs left out (of course). T
That is why Biggs has had to HILARIOUSLY call Next Gen stats "some dude's list."
No one (except maybe Josh Allen lol) is saying Mayfield is some deep ball wizard. A few of us have only said -- and backed up with "some dude's list" and more --- that his career does not just show deep ball competency, in some cases its shows him being LAUDED (just like Josh Allen lol) for his deep throwing.
If you look at Mayfield's entire career (one post started at college and then I looked at 2018, 2019 and specifically 2020 to have Brady as a landmark) he is actually lauded IN THE LANGUAGE YOU GUYS LOVE (advanced metrics) for his deep ball. But of course, Biggs left that out and of course . . . SHIFTED as soon as someoen added that context
Yes, Mayfield is inconsistent overall BUT throwing the deep ball is "in his wheelhouse" lol. Its actually part of his success EVEN IF it was part of his failure . . for part of last season, at least :-)
C’mon BC, it’s a moo point, don’t you know, no one can argue with a moo point!?I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season
Good call. Nobody has ever said that throwing deep is Baker Mayfield's wheelhouse. There also wasn't a second dumbass that tried to validate that. None of those things have happened.
"some dude's list"
Biggs, at some point its going to get boring watching you CHOOSE to repeatedly club yourself like a seal.
some point
By the way, yesterday I saw a video of KIRK COUSINS and one of their receivers talking about hopefully staying together (sort of like Mayfield and Evans) and Kirk Cousins - the #1 Free Agent - talks about the increased efficiency that comes with three or four YEARS of Qb and WR together.
Isnt in possible that at least some of last year's DEEP BALL performance by Mayfield relates to INCREASING familiarity with his receivers and offense? Isnt that one explanation for his better deep ball performance late?
It is according to Cousins
Hell, it is according to Tom Brady:
Brady looking to get in sync with new receivers
“You’re always trying to develop that (timing) over the course of the season,” Brady said. “You don’t really have it figured out to start.”
So, which is MORE REASONABLE?
"Mayfield cant throw a deep ball because of 1/2 of his first season with the Bucs WR corp"
OR
"His career seems to suggest he can throw the deep ball more perhaps like we saw later in the season"
(some dude's list)
C’mon BC, it’s a moo point, don’t you know, no one can argue with a moo point!?I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season
Good call. Nobody has ever said that throwing deep is Baker Mayfield's wheelhouse. There also wasn't a second dumbass that tried to validate that. None of those things have happened.
"some dude's list"
Biggs, at some point its going to get boring watching you CHOOSE to repeatedly club yourself like a seal.
some point
:-)
I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season
Good call. Nobody has ever said that throwing deep is Baker Mayfield's wheelhouse. There also wasn't a second dumbass that tried to validate that. None of those things have happened.
hey Biggs, this is PFF . . or as you like to call them (from this day forward) .. . "Some Other Dude's List of Objective Subjectivity" or maybe just "SODLOS" for short
"Mayfield’s resurgence in 2023 was due in no small part to his aggressive nature as a passer. The Bucs quarterback amassed 30 big-time throws and threw 42.5% of his passing attempts past the sticks, both of which rank in the top 12 among qualifying passers"
SODLOS, formerly known as PFF, also has this to say about those BIG TIME THROWS
"What is a big-time throw?
In its simplest terms, a big-time throw is on the highest end of both difficulty and value. While the value is easy to see statistically, the difficulty has more to do with passes that have a lower completion percentage the further the ball is thrown down the field. Therefore, the big-time throw is best described as a pass with excellent ball location and timing, generally thrown further down the field and/or into a tighter window."
well, but that ^^^ "summation of his entire career" is what I meant.
Excluding the rest of your post for the sake of avoiding clogging.
I knew Baker had a big arm. He was lauded for it. No question.
Just simply stating that his deep passing was dogshit for the overwhelming majority of last season.
Hopefully, it improves.
I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season
Good call. Nobody has ever said that throwing deep is Baker Mayfield's wheelhouse. There also wasn't a second dumbass that tried to validate that. None of those things have happened.
hey Biggs, this is PFF . . or as you like to call them (from this day forward) .. . "Some Other Dude's List of Objective Subjectivity" or maybe just "SODLOS" for short
"Mayfield’s resurgence in 2023 was due in no small part to his aggressive nature as a passer. The Bucs quarterback amassed 30 big-time throws and threw 42.5% of his passing attempts past the sticks, both of which rank in the top 12 among qualifying passers"
SODLOS, formerly known as PFF, also has this to say about those BIG TIME THROWS
"What is a big-time throw?
In its simplest terms, a big-time throw is on the highest end of both difficulty and value. While the value is easy to see statistically, the difficulty has more to do with passes that have a lower completion percentage the further the ball is thrown down the field. Therefore, the big-time throw is best described as a pass with excellent ball location and timing, generally thrown further down the field and/or into a tighter window."
First, lolz @ "past the sticks" being deep throws. Painfully clueless.
Second, lolz @ Top 12 = Wheelhouse, baby
Third, a "big-time throw" can be a 10-yard out route. You continue to show you have no idea what you're talking about, all shame be damned.
But I admit, I'm confused: is this in the "I don't think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season" vein or the "Throwing deep is kind of his wheelhouse" vein? You being the clueless and intellectually dishonest sack of crap that you are, it's difficult to keep up with your position(s).
Hey Biggs, for CONTEXT on this:
intellectually dishonest sack of crap
This was YOUR POST:
It would have been nice for Mayfield to bring his "wheelhouse" with him to the NFL, as we (some of us) watched him miss deep balls (by bad throws or not seeing/throwing) all year.
He should have brought his wheelhouse "to the NFL", based on on a criticism that is ONLY "all year"
That is why I said
This discussion is a great example of Biggs POLLUTING the Red Board with INCOMPLETE STATS
I provide the stats you omitted, ADVANCED METRICS from the NFL during his career.
Your response?
Some dude's list
ROFLMAO
Apparently, Bucs & Bake’s agent may be meeting at the combine next week.
So, to the threads point, what is a fair market deal (in light of the new cap figure)? A week or so ago the topic came up with Nic Wright & Pete Schrager who brought up the Daniel Jones deal in regards to Baker Mayfield. Jones’ 4 year @ $160m, with $90m guaranteed…scaled for inflation, would be 3 to 4 years $170m?
With a bit more cap room, it doesn’t seem out of the question. If you can get him for $30m to $35m, great. Just think it’s not unrealistic.
scaled for inflation, would be 3 to 4 years $170m?
If Licht sign Baker to a deal like that, he should be fired on the spot.
Ryan Tannehill signed a 4 year, $120M deal when he revived his career with Titans
Geno Smith signed a 3 year, 75M deal
Jimmy G signed a 3 year, $73M deal with the Raiders
I would think Baker would be in that range. You can't compare him to other guys who have been with their team for years. Daniel Jones was a terrible contract but he has also been with the Giants a while. Baker signed a 1 year deal with us and he will be in the range of what the other journeyman QBs signed - 25-30M
White tiger...you aren't Baker's agent are you haha?
