Part of the problem was his throwing the deep ball when the player is covered and not finding the underneath guy. That's a decision-making issue.
True. Another part was not seeing the open deep guy and attempting a throw. A third part is making the right read on the deep throw, but making a bad throw. All of this happened, with or without the success of the run game.
Nobody thinks Mayfield is Matt Stafford.
I wouldn't be so quick with that. There are plenty of Baker Bros on here that overrate Mayfield.
Baker’s worth it.
Intersting.
All these smart franchises that know something we don't.
Where were they again a year ago?
Part of the problem was his throwing the deep ball when the player is covered and not finding the underneath guy. That's a decision-making issue.
Agree with this to an extent.
But, for a good part of the season, he was simply whiffing on receivers who were not only "NFL Open" but also "Wide Ass Open".
As mentioned, it did get better at the end of the season.
Nobody thinks Mayfield is Matt Stafford.
Bro...where have you been?
Baker being better than Stafford and Goff was like 2 weeks ago.
Last week, it was Baker is better than Hurts and Dak.
THIS WEEK we're on the chapter where Baker is better than Cousins.
I'm sure we'll open March with "bAlLeRz" is better than Allen and Burrow.
Mahomes should be shitting a pink Twinkie come April.
Let’s not forget that it’s Jason Licht, Greenie, SpyTech, Todd Bowels, and Liam Coen, who ‘over-estimate’ Baker Mayfield.
Some of us just have no problem agreeing with them.
ESPN does not seem to realize Mayfield doesn't have "verticals" in his wheelhouse.
Don’t really care to go through the metrics of his time with his previous 3 teams, but for the majority of last season, he was far and away the worst deep ball passer in the NFL (historically bad).
It was talked about ad nauseam.
Queipo wrote an article about it, if I remember correctly.
Watching the Detroit game live, even my wife asked if I had ever seen a QB miss that many wide open receivers. It was comically bad.
He did improve at the tail end of the season, but the overwhelming majority of it was awful.
I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season, getting better at the end.
I think the question was only whether his performance LAST SEASON is him.
To me, the focus on last season only is inconsistent.
To me, the focus on last season only is inconsistent.
That bolded part is the summation of his entire career.
Which we've all discussed and acknowledged (sans the 3-4 people who "randomly" appeared the last month or so).
Full circle.
I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season
Good call. Nobody has ever said that throwing deep is Baker Mayfield's wheelhouse. There also wasn't a second dumbass that tried to validate that. None of those things have happened.
I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season
Good call. Nobody has ever said that throwing deep is Baker Mayfield's wheelhouse. There also wasn't a second dumbass that tried to validate that. None of those things have happened.
"some dude's list"
Biggs, at some point its going to get boring watching you CHOOSE to repeatedly club yourself like a seal.
some point
To me, the focus on last season only is inconsistent.
That bolded part is the summation of his entire career.
well, but that ^^^ "summation of his entire career" is what I meant.
If you look at this discussion ABOUT DEEP PASSING, the Mayfield critics are/were focusing on THIS YEAR ONLY. Kermit makes a point of that "as a Buc!" And even then "the this year only group" still mostly acknowledges what we alll saw ith our wyes (credit to Kermit!) which was a difference between early season and late season.
So which is it? Is it MORE reasonable to say Mayfield's deep ball abilites are the first half of 2023" or "this is what a . . . 'summation of his entire career'" tell us?
Mosty critics use some form of "his entire career," just as you've said here, except it seems on this issue. So, some posters provided the 'entire career" CONTEXT. And that was the point Biggs left out (of course). T
That is why Biggs has had to HILARIOUSLY call Next Gen stats "some dude's list."
No one (except maybe Josh Allen lol) is saying Mayfield is some deep ball wizard. A few of us have only said -- and backed up with "some dude's list" and more --- that his career does not just show deep ball competency, in some cases its shows him being LAUDED (just like Josh Allen lol) for his deep throwing.
If you look at Mayfield's entire career (one post started at college and then I looked at 2018, 2019 and specifically 2020 to have Brady as a landmark) he is actually lauded IN THE LANGUAGE YOU GUYS LOVE (advanced metrics) for his deep ball. But of course, Biggs left that out and of course . . . SHIFTED as soon as someoen added that context
Yes, Mayfield is inconsistent overall BUT throwing the deep ball is "in his wheelhouse" lol. Its actually part of his success EVEN IF it was part of his failure . . for part of last season, at least :-)
C’mon BC, it’s a moo point, don’t you know, no one can argue with a moo point!?I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season
Good call. Nobody has ever said that throwing deep is Baker Mayfield's wheelhouse. There also wasn't a second dumbass that tried to validate that. None of those things have happened.
"some dude's list"
Biggs, at some point its going to get boring watching you CHOOSE to repeatedly club yourself like a seal.
some point
By the way, yesterday I saw a video of KIRK COUSINS and one of their receivers talking about hopefully staying together (sort of like Mayfield and Evans) and Kirk Cousins - the #1 Free Agent - talks about the increased efficiency that comes with three or four YEARS of Qb and WR together.
Isnt in possible that at least some of last year's DEEP BALL performance by Mayfield relates to INCREASING familiarity with his receivers and offense? Isnt that one explanation for his better deep ball performance late?
It is according to Cousins
Hell, it is according to Tom Brady:
Brady looking to get in sync with new receivers
“You’re always trying to develop that (timing) over the course of the season,” Brady said. “You don’t really have it figured out to start.”
So, which is MORE REASONABLE?
"Mayfield cant throw a deep ball because of 1/2 of his first season with the Bucs WR corp"
OR
"His career seems to suggest he can throw the deep ball more perhaps like we saw later in the season"
(some dude's list)
C’mon BC, it’s a moo point, don’t you know, no one can argue with a moo point!?I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season
Good call. Nobody has ever said that throwing deep is Baker Mayfield's wheelhouse. There also wasn't a second dumbass that tried to validate that. None of those things have happened.
"some dude's list"
Biggs, at some point its going to get boring watching you CHOOSE to repeatedly club yourself like a seal.
some point
:-)
I dont think anyone says he did not struggle with some deep balls last season
Good call. Nobody has ever said that throwing deep is Baker Mayfield's wheelhouse. There also wasn't a second dumbass that tried to validate that. None of those things have happened.
hey Biggs, this is PFF . . or as you like to call them (from this day forward) .. . "Some Other Dude's List of Objective Subjectivity" or maybe just "SODLOS" for short
"Mayfield’s resurgence in 2023 was due in no small part to his aggressive nature as a passer. The Bucs quarterback amassed 30 big-time throws and threw 42.5% of his passing attempts past the sticks, both of which rank in the top 12 among qualifying passers"
SODLOS, formerly known as PFF, also has this to say about those BIG TIME THROWS
"What is a big-time throw?
In its simplest terms, a big-time throw is on the highest end of both difficulty and value. While the value is easy to see statistically, the difficulty has more to do with passes that have a lower completion percentage the further the ball is thrown down the field. Therefore, the big-time throw is best described as a pass with excellent ball location and timing, generally thrown further down the field and/or into a tighter window."
well, but that ^^^ "summation of his entire career" is what I meant.
Excluding the rest of your post for the sake of avoiding clogging.
I knew Baker had a big arm. He was lauded for it. No question.
Just simply stating that his deep passing was dogshit for the overwhelming majority of last season.
Hopefully, it improves.