have you ever watched Baker in college? Just asking, because throwing deep is kind of his wheelhouse. Maybe spend more time watching tape and less time just looking at raw stats?
I have. I also watched Timmy Chang toss the ball around the yard in college. Didn't mean a whole helluva lot in the NFL. It would have been nice for Mayfield to bring his "wheelhouse" with him to the NFL, as we (some of us) watched him miss deep balls (by bad throws or not seeing/throwing) all year.
You were also the guy that said Mayfield was a better deep thrower than Tua, and that didn't work out very well for you either. So all of this stuff from you should be taken with the largest of grains of salt.
I mean, I get that you don’t like Baker. That’s cool. He’s a polarizing character. But let’s not be naive/ignorant either.
This isn't true either, and I've said it before. I like how Mayfield carries himself as a teammate and his grit. But that doesn't make him the QB you (and others) believe him to be - clearly.
So, the QB is a culprit in a 12 win season?
Absolutely. He's also a culprit in the 6-win season, another 6-win season, a third 6-win season, a 2-win season, and a 9-win season.
Lol, okay, i get it. You can't see ability; you're just going to cherry-pick a few stats, and pretend that a 5-game stretch is actually a good stat. Cool.
And that last line about 6-win seasons/2-win seasons, that's complete nonsense. never mind that Ws/Ls aren't actually a QB stat, but the utter lack of context (like that his first 4 coaches were Todd Haley/hue Jackson/Freddy Kitchens/Gregg Williams, lol) and those guys might've had something to do with those losing seasons, gee, I don't know, but the lack of context tells me everything I need to know about your football IQ. Thanks for the discussion though. Sort of. Have a nice day.
Lets hope you’re right, I’m good if you are, which would make this an easy negotiation, but a case can be made for it. There is precedence.Ryan Tannehill signed a 4 year, $120M deal when he revived his career with Titans
Geno Smith signed a 3 year, 75M deal
Jimmy G signed a 3 year, $73M deal with the Raiders
I would think Baker would be in that range. You can't compare him to other guys who have been with their team for years. Daniel Jones was a terrible contract but he has also been with the Giants a while. Baker signed a 1 year deal with us and he will be in the range of what the other journeyman QBs signed - 25-30M
White tiger...you aren't Baker's agent are you haha?
Also, Tannehill is 35, Geno Smith is 33, Jimmy G is 32 - Baker is only 28.
If skill level is a factor, then the amount of time the player may have to contribute is a factor, also.
You’re argument is very likely the Buc’s angle, but there isn’t just one side to the argument. I still expect something in the middle - could be low to high $30m’s - but the existing QB salary scale is reality and will be used in a negotiation by Baker’s agent. Fortunately, Baker has acknowledged that signing Mike Evans is critical and even used the word ‘sacrifice’, so I’m hopeful.
And no, I am not Baker Mayfield’s agent. I wish…
First things first: I need to apologize to Biggs for my last post, which was a bit snarky. I guess I've been on CP too long, my bad. Regardless, it was unnecessary. Please forgive me my momentary crass behavior.
Getting back to the whole Flacco/Mayfield Y/A thing though, I decided to take a little closer look at that. The problem is the small vs. large dataset (5 games vs. 17), but I think I can square that up a bit. Let's look at their performances during the playoffs instead, shall we?
And to keep it relatively equal, we'll use Flacco's last two playoff runs vs. Mayfield's two playoff runs. That makes it 3 games/4 games respectively.
So Flacco's Y/A over his last two playoff runs works out to 7.15yds/A (858 total yds/120att)
Baker's two playoffs runs Y/A: 7.79yds/att (1153 total yds/148att)
Well, seems Baker gets the ball significantly farther downfield than Flacco in the playoffs. Weird.
Digging in a little bit more, let's take a look at Flacco's Y/A from the regular season vs. the playoffs, and see if he improved/stayed the same or not, shall we?
Flacco's Y/A during the 2023 regular season (5 games): 7.9yds/att, as Biggs noted. During the playoffs? He declined by 1.2 yds/att, down to 6.7yds/att for the 2023-24 playoffs.
Baker's regular season Y/A (as previously noted by biggs): 7.1yds/att. For the playoffs: an increase of 1.8yds/att, 8.9 yds/att.
While we're at it, let's look at another stat line, TD/INT ratio, because at the end of the day, yards/att doesn't mean much to the bottom line without scores, right?
Flacco: 7 TDs/4 INTs, or 1.75:1 (sidenote: in 7 playoff runs, Flacco has never earned a TD/INT ratio better than 2.5:1)
Baker: 10 TDs/4 INTs, or 3.33:1. (sidenote II: Baker's TD/INT in 2020 was 4:1, in 2023 it was 3:1)
Getting back to the whole Flacco/Mayfield Y/A thing though, I decided to take a little closer look at that. The problem is the small vs. large dataset (5 games vs. 17), but I think I can square that up a bit. Let's look at their performances during the playoffs instead, shall we?
And to keep it relatively equal, we'll use Flacco's last two playoff runs vs. Mayfield's two playoff runs. That makes it 3 games/4 games respectively.
You’re completely missing the point here. In a feeble defense of Mayfield, you made the statement “Stefanski’s offense doesn’t allow for many opportunities downfield.” That poor point was countered with the YPA of a dude that was sitting on his couch until Thanksgiving, proving Stefanski’s offense does in fact allow for many opportunities downfield. The comparison was Mayfield w/Stefanski vs. Flacco w/Stefanski. What Flacco did or didn’t do without Stefanski is meaningless in this particular discussion.
First things first: I need to apologize to Biggs for my last post, which was a bit snarky. I guess I've been on CP too long, my bad. Regardless, it was unnecessary. Please forgive me my momentary crass behavior.
Not necessary. Honestly, I didn’t even get snark. We’re good.
Wait. Wasn’t Stefanski Flacco’s coach during this year’s playoffs? When he posted that stellar 6.7yds/att? You know, when it really mattered?
Wait. Wasn’t Stefanski Flacco’s coach during this year’s playoffs? When he posted that stellar 6.7yds/att? You know, when it really mattered?
Yes, he was. Stefanski was also the coach the rest of the season as well, when Flacco had a 7.9 YPA. Pretty wild, considering “Stefanski’s offense doesn’t allow for many opportunities downfield.”
Flacco had a horrible playoff game, including 2 pick-sixes. Like with Mayfield before Flacco, the two-time coach of the year wasn’t the issue.
Sourcing industry trends and other NFL resources, Spotrac projects that Mayfield -- who played for the Bucs this season under a one-year contract worth $4 million -- will receive a four-year, $120 million deal, which will include a $53 million signing bonus and a total of $85 million "practically guaranteed."
Mayfield's base salary for 2024 is projected at $1.25 million, and his 2025 base is projected at $1.75 million. Spotrac also projects prorated bonuses of $5 million next year (for a $6.25 million cap hit) and another $5 million plus an option bonus in 2025 (for a cap it of $11.75 million. Then in 2026, he projects to receive a $32 million base salary plus another $10 million in bonuses, and in 2027 his base projects to $35 million plus the $10 million in bonuses. His cap hit those last two years will be $42 million and $45 million, according to Spotrac's projection.
Gneo Smith reference. I recall some here made a simialr reference
"We've projected a contract that essentially plays like a cap-adjusted version of Geno Smith's deal in Seattle, while using a double bonus sstructure to keep cap hits insanely low over the next two seasons.""
Gneo Smith reference. I recall some here made a simialr reference
"We've projected a contract that essentially plays like a cap-adjusted version of Geno Smith's deal in Seattle, while using a double bonus sstructure to keep cap hits insanely low over the next two seasons.""
Thats why I posted a more broad breakdown (from a cap hit/dead money perspective) in another thread.
And, yes, while the structure keeps the cap hits low in ‘24 and ‘25, the bonuses are guaranteed and will hit the cap whether he is here or not (lots of dead cap).
bonuses are guaranteed and will hit the cap whether he is here or not (lots of dead cap)
So in sum,
1. a very cap friendly contract over the SHORT-TERM (his "sacrifice" to bring back the band)
2. gives him roughly Geno Smith $ (adjusted to todays cap),
3. which was a value many people said was about fair
So good deal overall, save perhaps the dead money issue at the back end?
If his play merits it, isnt it likely they rework the deal before the back two years?
That's $30 mil per year, which is on the low end of what's been talked about, but almost three years of it guaranteed. I'd reduce that guaranteed money by about $10 mil and perhaps increase the contract size instead. Then you are basically guaranteeing him for two years. And if you need to get out after that it will cost you another $10 or $15 in dead cap, not too bad. If you don't want to get out because things are going well, then you still have him for a reasonable deal of $40 mil or so for a couple more years. That amount will seem very reasonable a few years from now, again that's if he's playing well and you don't want to get out of it.Sourcing industry trends and other NFL resources, Spotrac projects that Mayfield -- who played for the Bucs this season under a one-year contract worth $4 million -- will receive a four-year, $120 million deal, which will include a $53 million signing bonus and a total of $85 million "practically guaranteed."
Mayfield's base salary for 2024 is projected at $1.25 million, and his 2025 base is projected at $1.75 million. Spotrac also projects prorated bonuses of $5 million next year (for a $6.25 million cap hit) and another $5 million plus an option bonus in 2025 (for a cap it of $11.75 million. Then in 2026, he projects to receive a $32 million base salary plus another $10 million in bonuses, and in 2027 his base projects to $35 million plus the $10 million in bonuses. His cap hit those last two years will be $42 million and $45 million, according to Spotrac's projection.
It puts him roughly in the upper middle range of QBs, right?
If it happens as reported
Has it been reported? I think at this point we're still referencing spotrac.com automated analysis, right?It puts him roughly in the upper middle range of QBs, right?
If it happens as reported
Has it been reported? I think at this point we're still referencing spotrac.com automated analysis, right?It puts him roughly in the upper middle range of QBs, right?
If it happens as reported
I think the only thing reported (by SI, I think) was that Sportrac projected these numbers. It is in an article projecting the contracts of multiple QBs
