It’s easy to blame Baker Mayfield… it sounds like the Bucs are playing hardball, too. $25m is just as low as $44m is high. A starting QB hitting FA in this market may show his relative value, at a time when a division rival can take advantage, in two ways.
I think the Bucs are going to have to come up more, and they know it, Baker will take less, and he knows it.
Finding a middle, and contract length/details, is likely this is about.
Don’t think either side walks. It could be, but if so, it would be on both sides.
I guess. You drive a hard bargain. We'll see.As I said in a previous post, the Mayfield camp is looking long and hard at the $100 mil guaranteed money.
Then they can look elsewhere.
It’s not a hard bargain. It’s common sense.
He’s done nothing to earn $100M GUARANTEED.
yeah the AAV part won't be an issue, easy to fix with incentives.(see Mike Evans deal)
the guaranteed money is the biggest part of the negotiation... and Licht should play hard ball.
Baker's delusional, he had a good year (only 9-8 in the reg season with an easy schedule in the worst division!) but the track record against winning team was bad and the dumb interception in the 4th Qtr against the Lions still bother me! (only proved he's still starting material!)
one down year and Bowles will be on the hot seat... Licht can't risk more than 2-year gtd on the deal!
see the Giants and Broncos, stuck with Daniel Jones contract or huge dead money to get rid of Russell Wilson!
Daniel Jones total gtd = $105M
Geno Smith total gtd = $40M
the $65M gap in gtd money is a huge differential!
Baker's only a priority for us... Falcons & Vikings wants Kirk (probably looking for gtd money in the Aaron Rodgers range = $75M gtd)... Bears, Commanders, Pats, Giants, Raiders & Broncos seems to prioritize the draft (and/or the cheap stopgap)... Steelers looking for the cheap vet...
and i'll be shocked if there is one GM who prefer to sign Baker for $100M gtd over a Brissett, Russ Wilson, Jimmy G, Flacco or Tanehill on a low one-year deal + a rookie (very good draft class)... or a trade, Justin Fields price will go down, Mac Jones's probably available for a Day 3 pick...
if there isn't a dumb GM to think he deserve the Carr/Jones deal over the Geno Smith/Jimmy G treatment, he'll have little to no leverage when FA begin!
if they lose the Kirk Cousins battle, the Falcons are probably the biggest threat... but if a team wants to overpay for Baker, i'll prefer a division rival!
would like Baker back, but i wants my Bucs back in the SB... unless you can pick the next Mahomes in the draft, sign the GOAT in FA or trade for a Stafford/Rodgers, the only way to build a contender start with a 2nd tier QB on a discount!
Fuck this guy. He got way too much credit last year. Sign Wilson for vet min
it sounds like the Bucs are playing hardball, too. $25m is just as low as $44m is high.
Truth ^^
In and earlier article SR concluded that the "floor" for Mayfield was $30 million, so $25 million is lows by that analysis., just like $4$ is high.
SR also placed the top at $38, so his range was $30-$38.
The midpoint between the reported offers of $25 and $44 is . . . $34.5
That doesn't mean they will get it don at that number BUT it means they are in a range that should get a deal done.
Fuck this guy. He got way too much credit last year. Sign Wilson for vet min
"Big time GM" JC5100 . . .hoping to guide the Bucs to a 2024 Cash Management Super Bowl
With the amount of money he's giving to Mayfield the Bucs will be locked in for three years to this guy.
Dude, I hope you're wrong. This upcoming contract has the potential to set the franchise back to mediocrity if Baker resorts back to his career stats. If he had just been consistent, not consistently good, just consistently average, then we would know what we are getting and can build a team around it.
Baker's delusional, he had a good year (only 9-8 in the reg season with an easy schedule in the worst division!) but the track record against winning team was bad
This. All. Day. This.
Dude, I hope you're wrong
Agreed.
How anyone could be rooting for a long term deal with $100M in guaranteed money is beyond me.
If the Bucs don't get Mayfield back, hard pass on Russell Wilson. Premadonna. Higher than thou attitude. Legend in his own mind, feels he can win two more SBs in the next 5 years. False bravado. Just look at the crap he pulled in Denver until Sean Payton came to town and restored order. NO THANKS. Better to pursue other options which won't split the locker room.
How anyone could be rooting for a long term deal with $100M in guaranteed money is beyond me.
is anyone though?
is that number also anything more that TraskForce's opinion? I don't see anyone reporting that, but may have missed it
Fuck this guy. He got way too much credit last year. Sign Wilson for vet min
"Big time GM" JC5100 . . .hoping to guide the Bucs to a 2024 Cash Management Super Bowl
Sorry for wanting the Bucs to give out good contracts and not just piss cap room away.
Every contract locks you in, otherwise it’s a one year deal, and that would require leverage.
Baker’s agent is negotiating on behalf of his client. Baker didn’t agree to a one year, ‘prove it’ deal in a vacuum. The Bucs had leverage then, and they used it. In the timeframe since that negotiation, the market changed in Baker’s favor and the leverage is now on the players side, and he’s using it.
If you don’t like getting ‘locked-in’, then you’re going to have to make it up on the guarantee side. The market has been established by the QB-needy teams that plan to run an offense that fits Baker’s skill set. That’s reality.
It’s a negotiation and it’s going to be a fair deal, and that means it will be fair to both sides.
It’s pretty simple, another poster gave a great analogy when they compared the contracts of recent QB’s: Baker knows he’s not going to get a Daniel Jones deal, but the Bucs know he’s not going to take a Geno Smith deal. Which means it will probably be more like a Derek Carr deal - and all each side are determining is how much it will cost to limit the term of the deal. That will likely require a concession on guarantee.
Baker is letting his agent handle the business side of this, but he’s already made it clear he wants to be here.
is anyone though?
is that number also anything more that TraskForce's opinion? I don't see anyone reporting that, but may have missed it
The usual suspects.
I’ve seen a few on Twitter suggesting something regarding $80M guaranteed.
Which, again, would be incredibly stupid.
Not worried.
Bucs, as they’ve always had, hold the leverage here.
