he's going to get something from the Bucs that is mid to high $30s AAY
wild guess
I honestly don’t care about the AAY.
The guaranteed money is what matters regarding dead cap and exit strategy.
That’s why $50M guaranteed and 3/yrs should be the max.
The difference between someone who follows the contracts closely (you) and someone who does not (me). I definitely get your point.
Totally fair.
I'll throw out another name. Sam Darnold.
Ewwwwwwww
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202301010tam.htm
Well, I'm persuaded. He had a great game at the end of the year two years ago, after getting beat out by Baker Mayfield to start the year and "Shaun King" this season. That makes me completely forget about his sub-60% career completion percentage and his 63:56 TD:Int ratio.
I'll throw out another name. Sam Darnold.
Ewwwwwwww
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202301010tam.htm
Well, I'm persuaded. He had a great game at the end of the year two years ago, after getting beat out by Baker Mayfield to start the year and "Shaun King" this season. That makes me completely forget about his sub-60% career completion percentage and his 63:56 TD:Int ratio.
I couldn't care less what he did on the Jets. He was on the exact same team as Mayfield in 2022 and he was better in every aspect.
I'll throw out another name. Sam Darnold.
Ewwwwwwww
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202301010tam.htm
Well, I'm persuaded. He had a great game at the end of the year two years ago, after getting beat out by Baker Mayfield to start the year and "Shaun King" this season. That makes me completely forget about his sub-60% career completion percentage and his 63:56 TD:Int ratio.
I couldn't care less what he did on the Jets. He was on the exact same team as Mayfield in 2022 and he was better in every aspect.
I don't really disagree with his and Mayfield's skill level being close. However, I do think Mayfield has Darnold in the off the field/teammate stuff. Is that worth whatever their contract differences are? Probably not, but we'll see. Darnold is still Ewwww.
I'll throw out another name. Sam Darnold.
Does this mean you think Mayfield = Darnold OR position not worth the $?
The difference in Mayfield and Darnold is minimal. But Mayfield's salary will be 10-15x more.
So, I definitely coluld be off, I do not follow Darnold, but wasnt he available last year? Didnt mayfield and Darnold BOTH signed minimal one year deals last year
If so, doesnt that mean the Bucs already make that choice on a TALENT basis?
And, if Darnold performed like Mayfield did last year he probably is the one getting the "10-15x more" salary, right?
Yeah this thread has devolved into ridiculousness. Darnold is out there for the tanking... er taking, so we'll just see which team wants to lose the most.I'll throw out another name. Sam Darnold.
Ewwwwwwww
But Mayfield's salary will be 10-15x more.
Darnold is most likely a veteran BACK UP in 2024, right?
With the Bucs, Mayfield would be the STARTER on a playoff team
They will probably BOTH be making the rough market rate for those two very different ROLES, right? That is the "10-15 more."
And that is because even thought they both (I think) tried the same approach* in 2023, there were very different outcomes.
And OF COURSE the Bucs are going to choose Mayfield over Darnold even at "10-15x more" because the Lombardi trophy goes to the WINNING team, not the team with them best contract value that season.
Darnold is your Luke McCown of 2024?
( * "Darnold signed a one-year, $4.5 million contract with the 49ers at the beginning of free agency a year ago at a time when it was unknown whether Brock Purdy would be ready for the start of the regular season. Lynch said Darnold could have gotten a better contract from other teams.")
Darnold really struck a nerve. Interesting. They each started 6 games on the same team. Pretty fair to compare.
Mayfield: 1-5, 6 TD/6 INTs, 6.4 YPA
Darnold: 4-2, 7 TDs/3 INTs, 8.2 YPA
They each started 6 games on the same team. Pretty fair to compare.
lol
Darnold really struck a nerve. Interesting. They each started 6 games on the same team. Pretty fair to compare.
Mayfield: 1-5, 6 TD/6 INTs, 6.4 YPA
Darnold: 4-2, 7 TDs/3 INTs, 8.2 YPA
Now let's see the rest of Darnold's career stats.
I rather see the team roll the dice on Huntley than Darnold if that is the route the team goes. Huntley and Darnold are quick on their feet but Huntley is better at being consistent at moving the chains. Darnold doesn't make good use of his athletic gifts.
Darnold is most likely a veteran BACK UP in 2024, right?
With the Bucs, Mayfield would be the STARTER on a playoff team
They will probably BOTH be making the rough market rate for those two very different ROLES, right? That is the "10-15 more."
right on cue, Pat Kirwan
“Baker’s had his ups and downs. Yes, he deserves a starter’s contract. He’s going to get one,” Kirwan said. “How long is it going to be is an issue for me when I think about him and I don’t think I can put him in the elite status yet. I would built it into the back of end of [the contract], though. So if he keeps going, it keeps getting better. That’s how I would look at him. He deserves a starter deal; let’s call it $35 million [annually]. And if he does even better next year, it goes up to $40 million and then 43 or something like that.”
Darnold really struck a nerve. Interesting.
Why stop with that first round bust? You could go to Josh "Real Deal" Rosen, Mitch Trubisky, or Dwayne Haskins and would likely get similar responses.
They each started 6 games on the same team. Pretty fair to compare.
Mayfield: 1-5, 6 TD/6 INTs, 6.4 YPA
Darnold: 4-2, 7 TDs/3 INTs, 8.2 YPA
Same year, but not the same team with multiple coaches being fired - largely because of poor play by Mayfield. Darnold certainly did come in and play better, so he gets the credit.