Yeah, Brad Johnson proved we can win a Super Bowl with a mid tier QB.
Especially if you make the mid-tier defense, bottom tier, o-line, and last-rung, running game…a little less mid.
Nice that some portions of the team are capable of punching above their weight class.
And as the accountants & fantasy football crowd loves to point out, maybe we’ll even save the Glazers some money while doing it!
Otherwise, everyone gets an ‘out’…
Nice that some portions of the team are capable of punching above their weight class.
I agree.
Offense - Points Scored - 20th in the league
Defense - Points Scored Against - 7th in the league
Yeah, Brad Johnson proved we can win a Super Bowl with a mid tier QB.
We sure did!
All we need are 4 hall of famers on defense (should be 5) and one that will go down as one of the greatest D's in modern NFL history.
I'm with you on this plan.
Or, improve the offense & defense, by half.
In one FA period & draft (2, including last years haul).
What I thought was interesting (among other things), was those numbers suggest that he's closer to the top of the middle tier of QBs, or even in that top tier of currently active -10 to -11 QBs.
Now, do his other 86 starts and tell us how he's in the Top 10 to #11 QB's.
He's a middle tier QB and hopefully he improves, and most importantly, shows some consistency.
Fortunately, we re-upped him to a contract that gives us an out in 2 years if he doesn't. If he does, then great, we have our answer.
Uh, I don't understand why I'd do that, when I quite clearly limited the discussion to his playoff performances. So his other 86 regular season games wouldn't be relevant, at least in terms of this particular discussion. See how that works? Note how I even used the word "suggest," to infer that there's obviously some degree of uncertainty, largely because it is a pretty small sample size. Though the fact that he did make it to the playoffs twice with two different teams and performed at a high level in both seasons would seem to bolster his credibility as a better-than-average playoff QB.
But you seem to have some thoughts on Baker's career, and I'm sure it's not the same superficial lazy analysis that we usually read, and I'm ready to be fascinated. It would be a nice change of pace, so please why don't you tell me about Baker.
In light of the Cousins benching thought to look back to see how our FRONT OFFICE did under a similar scenario.
To begin with, we went with Mayfield over Cousins (presumably) so the Mayfield deal was $100 million over 3 years, as compared to $180 million over 4. So, that is a Bucs front office WIN?
The Falcons plan with Penix sort of mirrors what we did with Trask. Licht specifically identified this dead cap period as one reason. I doubt the Falcons would be able to trade Cousins if they wanted to (they might not) given the no trade clause AND the size of the contract for a 37(?) year old struggling QB with an Achilles injury. So, they either have the most expensive back up or they cut him and take a $65 million dead cap hit over two years?
I thought the Brady dead cap hit was "only" $35 over two years?
So, that is Bucs front office WIN number two?
Of course, they won both games this season but we are in the lead presently, so I guess the COMPETITIVE outcome this season is still up in the air?
yepp, we clearly won there. let's hope we win the division as well, then we can laugh at them
p.s. few of us wrote that several times, brady cap hit was worth every penny, noone was upset because of that
Again, if he's reasonable in the $25-$33 range, we get it done before he can look on the market.
pretty spot on? the way it played out
They were NEVER going to let him truly test the market because he was the lynchpin to much of their plans
holy shit, we owe Baker an apology and should up his salary to $40M :)
holy shit, we owe Baker an apology and should up his salary to $40M :)
$40M would have been team crushing and spirit crushing if you read this thread.
The Bucs are in good hands with Licht. He's not perfect. No one is. But, he's made some good moves and he is a big part of building a team guys want to play for.
Could I see 3 years 100 million. Yes but that’s absolute highest at 33.3m APY
his floor is likely the 3 year 75 million and as DH said likely looking at 3 year 90 million as ballpark
Not sure if I ever said it, but good call.
Baker Mayfield projected at 4400 yds and 40 TDs and 71% completion rate. This offseason thread has Baker compared to many QBs :-)
QB is very often a product of the offensive system and team around him. I think Mayfield was about 60% completions last year. This year a lot of screens and short, quick passes.
Last year, Baker's completion%=64.5%
Hmm. Can't post the link to his pfr page for some reason. Anyway, all of his stats are better this season, significantly better. in most areas.
Read thru some of our earlier posts here, interesting thread…
Liam’s short/intermediate & heavy run influence game has helped a lot - both in neutralizing the rush, but also completion & passing stats - but there still has to be processing & execution. Great match for us at a time when all the cool teams are doing it - we weren’t on the outside looking in this time.
If they weren’t just downright lucky, you have to logically conclude that the organization is light years ahead of what many of us have had to endure. Meaning the front office is responsible for putting something special together.
Sure feels like we’re watching something unprecedented developing with this franchise.
Nice bump @bucsbits
On to Dallas.
all of his stats are better this season, significantly better. in most areas.
I am a Canales fan, but you can really see the Coen difference. Mayfield deserves a lot of credit too
Almost any QB would love to have the run game we have. The defense is so often on its heels. Coen's mostly quick throw, short throw offense is great too and now they are starting to stretch it out a bit.
Fun to watch
Absolutely. I think we all agreed that Baker contract was a bargain compared to what Kirk Cousins got last year. IIRC, my argument was Cousins was the better player though overall, and that's why he got paid more. Fast forward now, Baker is having a way better year than Cousins. I do think Baker has a better supporting cast and coaching but Cousins simply did not play up to his contract the slightest.
In light of the Cousins benching thought to look back to see how our FRONT OFFICE did under a similar scenario.
To begin with, we went with Mayfield over Cousins (presumably) so the Mayfield deal was $100 million over 3 years, as compared to $180 million over 4. So, that is a Bucs front office WIN?
The Falcons plan with Penix sort of mirrors what we did with Trask. Licht specifically identified this dead cap period as one reason. I doubt the Falcons would be able to trade Cousins if they wanted to (they might not) given the no trade clause AND the size of the contract for a 37(?) year old struggling QB with an Achilles injury. So, they either have the most expensive back up or they cut him and take a $65 million dead cap hit over two years?
I thought the Brady dead cap hit was "only" $35 over two years?
So, that is Bucs front office WIN number two?
Of course, they won both games this season but we are in the lead presently, so I guess the COMPETITIVE outcome this season is still up in the air?