https://atozsports.com/tampa-bay/will-bucs-pay-baker-mayfield/
Now, this is reasonable.
Agreed and I think the numbers are what you and multiple people have posted here. I think the circumstances could bring his $ up a bit, but it should be a number that lets the team achieve its goals.
From the article
Mayfield is top-10 in the NFL in touchdowns while limiting his interceptions to less than 12 this year and re-kindled the discussions over whether his ceiling as a quarterback is that of a top-10 guy in the NFL. He is top-5 in average depth of target while maintaining a league-average turnover-worthy play rate. He has done all of this without the aid of his deep ball, but by legitimately improving how well he works the intermediate part of the field.
All of this puts him on a trajectory to earn a mid-tier deal that will most likely work off the original model set by Teddy Bridgewater in Carolina in 2020 and then updated by Geno Smith and the Seahawks in 2022.
- Franchise Tag Likelihood: Low
- 3 years $82.5M, $27.5M APY, $32.5M Fully Gtd
- Year One Cap Hit: $12.5 million
Let him test the market and match. He's not leaving.
they've likely already priced it. His agent and the Bucs have very likely already agreed on a tight range that is the standard for the contract.
this stuff is not really “rocket surgery”
So let me ask you a question. What teams would offer Mayfield such a contract?
It's a good thing Badabing did the work, otherwise this question would have never been answered - even though it isn't rocket surgery.
"The Bucs actually asked Baker Mayfield for his input on all the coaches they were interviewing, including Liam Coen. “Do I know them? Do I have any interaction? What are my thoughts on that?” Mayfield said, adding that it was a “first” for him to be involved in that."
Let him test the market and match. He's not leaving.
they've likely already priced it. His agent and the Bucs have very likely already agreed on a tight range that is the standard for the contract.
this stuff is not really “rocket surgery”
So let me ask you a question. What teams would offer Mayfield such a contract?
It's a good thing Badabing did the work, otherwise this question would have never been answered - even though it isn't rocket surgery.
"The Bucs actually asked Baker Mayfield for his input on all the coaches they were interviewing, including Liam Coen. “Do I know them? Do I have any interaction? What are my thoughts on that?” Mayfield said, adding that it was a “first” for him to be involved in that."
“Like I told you guys and to keep it straightforward, I would love to be back with Mike. There are a lot of contingencies that go into that. Getting an OC on offense is step one. Mike sees that, I’ll have to talk to him about it and see his thoughts.
package deal . . .
It does seem to feel like it may hinge on a package deal. I think either all the cornerstone pieces stay, or the ALL dip- Some of these guys formed brotherly bonds that outweighs teamhood. I think ME and Baller are perhaps that tight, I think its best for all for them to stay paired, they trust each other...thats real continuity. U dont do a thing for the money, U dU a thing for A purpose!
At this point, the team is trying to lay down some cornerstone/foundational type bricks. Getting the right OC was step 1, thats it, more needs to occur for it to be DUN, stamped and Delivered. I cant waIt to see it all play out. Do the Bucs Leadership go aggressive like when they hired Dungy, or Chucky, or TB12, or AB(both-At least he showed up in the SB- then danced himself out SMH). Or do they play it safe like Lovie Smith, the "dont shoot urself in the dic foot scheme" We see how some gambles have payed off while others have utterly failed...Josh Freeman, Vinny T, Jameis...Greg Schiano, Raheem Morris, Aquib Talib among others. But in NEITHER of our SB Years did we ever PLAY IT SAFE, we WON the FIRST YEAR of Chucky-The same year of the gamble!!.. then we faded, the BUcs faded into obscureness---> Dark ages of Rob Johnson, Brian Griese, RYAN LEAF, The Italian guy who wasnt half bad, forgotten times and GM moves from an eternity ago. Fastforward to our 2nd SuperBOWL, it was in TB's 1st year that we won it all- The year of the of the gamble. Then we faded into...well what was supposed to be another Bucs "dark ages" the Post TB12 era, the lucky to win as many games as the patriots with Bill B vs the TBowels era. It kinda played out differently than anyone expected. We started off well, then the Bucs broke down-and in season "dark age" if U wIll, but they were able to snap outta it. Why...what changed? If we had to speculate on one reason that the team picked itself up by the boot straps and got back on the horse and ride that to Carolina for one chance at entry to the Playoff Parti. Luckily they got hot just on the nick of time, had they lost one more game, lets say the final regular season game against Carolina, we woulda missed the party, but we didnt. We got hot just in the 'nic'of'time....the only thing that can do that, I suppose, is guts. I know a guy thats got guts and charisma, could that Guy have been the one to help himself and his teammates get back on the horse. I have no idea, but I have a knack at identifying Important variables, especially the ones that dont appear to be so.
With Baker's recent issue with his family misappropriating his money and him playing for only about $6 mil I fully expect him to go to the team who offers him the most guaranteed money. This may be his one last shot at some real money and he has to get it while he can. So he's not looking at where he's going to be most successful. He's looking at who's ponying up with the guaranteed cash. So based on that I don't think it's a lock he'll come back to the Bucs. If I were him that's how I'd be looking at it.
The word "experience" portrayed as a sort of unfair advantage. LOL, in essence, "Mayfield was more experienced, he wasn't the better QB." Sort of a tortured Madden-esque defense of Trask when the same circumstances could be portrayed as a BIG reason Mayfield crushed Trask
Mayfield outperformed Trask in many way in the preseason. One of the biggest ways THAT SHINED LIKE A BIG HUGE BLINKING BEACON ALL SEASON LONG - was in his LEADERSHIP. 2023 Mayfield is a better QB than 2023 Trask in the Madden-esque sense too (arm talent, stats etc). Make no mistake about that. But, one of the KNOCKS on Trask is his personality/leadership where as one of the BIG positive attributes of Mayfield is his personality/leadership.
Personality/leadership is NOT some meaningless intangible for a QB just because it doesn't link to some NextGen stat. Last year the team struggled IN PART because our QB Brady (with all the very best Madden-esque traits) was basically checked out as a LEADER during the offseason and into the season. You've actually heard our FUTURE HOF right tackle talk about this exact contrast with Mayfield 2023 and you've heard MULTIPLE players on the 2023 team RAVE about Mayfield's LEADERSHIP as a REASON FOR WINNING and a reason for NOT going in the tank during a tough skid.
No football player LET ALONE A QB is only a sum of their statistics. Thats is MADDEN. For goodness sake, your argument for playing Trask is two players whose MENTAL intangibles were MISSED by nearly everyone, Brady and Purdy. Yet when Mayfield's mental intangibles push Trask underneath the bench, they are not only DISCOUNTED. but they become sort of an EXCUSE why a "better" Trask was not chose.
Mayfield had Trask sitting firmly on the bench this season FOR MANY REASONS. He was better QB this season BY FAR . . . all around.
Good grief, dude. You really have a penchant for idiotic comments, and this is by far one of your must idiotic. Go ask Trask's former teammates how they feel about him. He was very much loved by the guys who played with him. Pitts absolutely loved the guy and was very vocal about it. There are many ways to be an effective leader. Trask does it differently, in a more Brooks like manner. While Mayfield is more a Winston type, without eating W's. Doesn't mean one style is better than the other. Trask was the better QB in camp and Preseason. He just was. Mayfield was throwing picks regularly and his deep ball accuracy faded off once he was actually being pressured. He may be a very accurate QB when nobody is chasing him, but in games he struggles to settle his feet. Trask doesn't. Dude is regularly calm under pressure, and regularly threw excellent passes right before getting nailed. Bottom line is that Mayfield's career year was barely better than Brady's by far worst year, and first only losing season, all of which happened when he was going through the divorce and his o-line was in struggling to block (thanks Hall). So you just keep latching on to Mayfield's ass. He appreciates all the butt kissing he gets.
penchant for idiotic comments
as idiotic as suggesting that Mayfield only won over Trask because of his experience?
smh
I actually hope you're right (a point Ive made repeatedly), but goodness man give it a freaking break
So you just keep latching on to Mayfield's ass. He appreciates all the butt kissing he gets.
The common thread for all you trolls is projection. ^^^^
Mayfield is inconsistent, but he ACTUALLY (ie in the real world) overperformed and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs. That is real world
You've said Trask wins 9+ games this season. You've compared him to Brady and Purdy. KUDOS . . . sincerely, kudos . . for that kind of devotion but hopefully you at least realize your posts are out of step with almost every other human not named Trask
and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs.
It's not like he hasn't done that before. The problem some have with Baker, are the games in between his playoff victories. In other words, consistency.
and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs.
It's not like he hasn't done that before. The problem some have with Baker, are the games in between his playoff victories. In other words, consistency.
for sure.
Will be interesting to see how he plays next season (if he’s with the Bucs). I think the inconsistency is part of who he is, but his teammates sure seem behind him. And that includes Evans so that’s saying something.
Good grief, dude.
Just let it go, buddy.
Notice how the drunken, self-righteous, sack of shit now labels you "a troll" simply because you disagree with him.
Honestly, I think the irony of the whole thing is that you are BY FAR the biggest Trask fan on these boards, yet Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Drunk talk about him 10 times more than you do. 😂
and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs.
It's not like he hasn't done that before. The problem some have with Baker, are the games in between his playoff victories. In other words, consistency.
Um, not to argue, but you guys are aware that Baker got hurt in the 2nd game of the 2021 season, tore his labrum, and then reinjured it four weeks later, and also fractured his shoulder blade, right? Then a couple weeks after that, he suffered a knee injury. I mean, yeah, he wasn't very good in 2021, but he was also hurt from the 2nd week through the rest of the season. I mean, context does matter, doesn't it?
and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs.
It's not like he hasn't done that before. The problem some have with Baker, are the games in between his playoff victories. In other words, consistency.
Um, not to argue, but you guys are aware that Baker got hurt in the 2nd game of the 2021 season, tore his labrum, and then reinjured it four weeks later, and also fractured his shoulder blade, right? Then a couple weeks after that, he suffered a knee injury. I mean, yeah, he wasn't very good in 2021, but he was also hurt from the 2nd week through the rest of the season. I mean, context does matter, doesn't it?
@kermit56 was spot on.
Throughout the entirety of his career he's been consistently inconsistent.
Not sure how this fact is so upsetting to some.
and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs.
It's not like he hasn't done that before. The problem some have with Baker, are the games in between his playoff victories. In other words, consistency.
Um, not to argue, but you guys are aware that Baker got hurt in the 2nd game of the 2021 season, tore his labrum, and then reinjured it four weeks later, and also fractured his shoulder blade, right? Then a couple weeks after that, he suffered a knee injury. I mean, yeah, he wasn't very good in 2021, but he was also hurt from the 2nd week through the rest of the season. I mean, context does matter, doesn't it?
@kermit56 was spot on.
Throughout the entirety of his career he's been consistently inconsistent.
Not sure how this fact is so upsetting to some.
He has been "consistently inconsistent." Not arguing that. Just saying context should matter. He was injured from Week 2 of the 2021 season, and I don't count the 2022 season; what QB could be successful given the circumstances Baker dealt with in 2022?
And on top of that, he's had just two HCs that possessed winning records over his entire career before arriving in TB (Stefanski/McVay) and had to deal with 7 HCs and 8 OCs over that span. That's an NFL record, btw. No QB has ever had so many HCs/OCs in their first 6 seasons. All of that instability wreaks havoc on a young QB's development. Most of them don't make it to their 6th season, much less lead a team to the playoffs and a W in the post-season.
I mean I get it; he wasn't very consistent in 2023. He had a string of games in the middle of the year where he didn't play well. But it was also his 7th or 8th new OC and new offense and new teammates in his career; his 4th new team and offense over just the last two seasons. And I don't want to sound like I'm trying to make excuses for Baker. Hell, I know he has flaws and has a consistency problem. He could've played better, no question. But given the circumstances, I think a lot of QBs would've been worse.
Hell, I know he has flaws and has a consistency problem. He could've played better, no question. But given the circumstances, I think a lot of QBs would've been worse.
Agreed.