With Baker's recent issue with his family misappropriating his money and him playing for only about $6 mil I fully expect him to go to the team who offers him the most guaranteed money. This may be his one last shot at some real money and he has to get it while he can. So he's not looking at where he's going to be most successful. He's looking at who's ponying up with the guaranteed cash. So based on that I don't think it's a lock he'll come back to the Bucs. If I were him that's how I'd be looking at it.
The word "experience" portrayed as a sort of unfair advantage. LOL, in essence, "Mayfield was more experienced, he wasn't the better QB." Sort of a tortured Madden-esque defense of Trask when the same circumstances could be portrayed as a BIG reason Mayfield crushed Trask
Mayfield outperformed Trask in many way in the preseason. One of the biggest ways THAT SHINED LIKE A BIG HUGE BLINKING BEACON ALL SEASON LONG - was in his LEADERSHIP. 2023 Mayfield is a better QB than 2023 Trask in the Madden-esque sense too (arm talent, stats etc). Make no mistake about that. But, one of the KNOCKS on Trask is his personality/leadership where as one of the BIG positive attributes of Mayfield is his personality/leadership.
Personality/leadership is NOT some meaningless intangible for a QB just because it doesn't link to some NextGen stat. Last year the team struggled IN PART because our QB Brady (with all the very best Madden-esque traits) was basically checked out as a LEADER during the offseason and into the season. You've actually heard our FUTURE HOF right tackle talk about this exact contrast with Mayfield 2023 and you've heard MULTIPLE players on the 2023 team RAVE about Mayfield's LEADERSHIP as a REASON FOR WINNING and a reason for NOT going in the tank during a tough skid.
No football player LET ALONE A QB is only a sum of their statistics. Thats is MADDEN. For goodness sake, your argument for playing Trask is two players whose MENTAL intangibles were MISSED by nearly everyone, Brady and Purdy. Yet when Mayfield's mental intangibles push Trask underneath the bench, they are not only DISCOUNTED. but they become sort of an EXCUSE why a "better" Trask was not chose.
Mayfield had Trask sitting firmly on the bench this season FOR MANY REASONS. He was better QB this season BY FAR . . . all around.
Good grief, dude. You really have a penchant for idiotic comments, and this is by far one of your must idiotic. Go ask Trask's former teammates how they feel about him. He was very much loved by the guys who played with him. Pitts absolutely loved the guy and was very vocal about it. There are many ways to be an effective leader. Trask does it differently, in a more Brooks like manner. While Mayfield is more a Winston type, without eating W's. Doesn't mean one style is better than the other. Trask was the better QB in camp and Preseason. He just was. Mayfield was throwing picks regularly and his deep ball accuracy faded off once he was actually being pressured. He may be a very accurate QB when nobody is chasing him, but in games he struggles to settle his feet. Trask doesn't. Dude is regularly calm under pressure, and regularly threw excellent passes right before getting nailed. Bottom line is that Mayfield's career year was barely better than Brady's by far worst year, and first only losing season, all of which happened when he was going through the divorce and his o-line was in struggling to block (thanks Hall). So you just keep latching on to Mayfield's ass. He appreciates all the butt kissing he gets.
penchant for idiotic comments
as idiotic as suggesting that Mayfield only won over Trask because of his experience?
smh
I actually hope you're right (a point Ive made repeatedly), but goodness man give it a freaking break
So you just keep latching on to Mayfield's ass. He appreciates all the butt kissing he gets.
The common thread for all you trolls is projection. ^^^^
Mayfield is inconsistent, but he ACTUALLY (ie in the real world) overperformed and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs. That is real world
You've said Trask wins 9+ games this season. You've compared him to Brady and Purdy. KUDOS . . . sincerely, kudos . . for that kind of devotion but hopefully you at least realize your posts are out of step with almost every other human not named Trask
and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs.
It's not like he hasn't done that before. The problem some have with Baker, are the games in between his playoff victories. In other words, consistency.
and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs.
It's not like he hasn't done that before. The problem some have with Baker, are the games in between his playoff victories. In other words, consistency.
for sure.
Will be interesting to see how he plays next season (if he’s with the Bucs). I think the inconsistency is part of who he is, but his teammates sure seem behind him. And that includes Evans so that’s saying something.
Good grief, dude.
Just let it go, buddy.
Notice how the drunken, self-righteous, sack of shit now labels you "a troll" simply because you disagree with him.
Honestly, I think the irony of the whole thing is that you are BY FAR the biggest Trask fan on these boards, yet Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Drunk talk about him 10 times more than you do. 😂
and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs.
It's not like he hasn't done that before. The problem some have with Baker, are the games in between his playoff victories. In other words, consistency.
Um, not to argue, but you guys are aware that Baker got hurt in the 2nd game of the 2021 season, tore his labrum, and then reinjured it four weeks later, and also fractured his shoulder blade, right? Then a couple weeks after that, he suffered a knee injury. I mean, yeah, he wasn't very good in 2021, but he was also hurt from the 2nd week through the rest of the season. I mean, context does matter, doesn't it?
and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs.
It's not like he hasn't done that before. The problem some have with Baker, are the games in between his playoff victories. In other words, consistency.
Um, not to argue, but you guys are aware that Baker got hurt in the 2nd game of the 2021 season, tore his labrum, and then reinjured it four weeks later, and also fractured his shoulder blade, right? Then a couple weeks after that, he suffered a knee injury. I mean, yeah, he wasn't very good in 2021, but he was also hurt from the 2nd week through the rest of the season. I mean, context does matter, doesn't it?
@kermit56 was spot on.
Throughout the entirety of his career he's been consistently inconsistent.
Not sure how this fact is so upsetting to some.
and led the team to the 2nd round ofg the playoffs.
It's not like he hasn't done that before. The problem some have with Baker, are the games in between his playoff victories. In other words, consistency.
Um, not to argue, but you guys are aware that Baker got hurt in the 2nd game of the 2021 season, tore his labrum, and then reinjured it four weeks later, and also fractured his shoulder blade, right? Then a couple weeks after that, he suffered a knee injury. I mean, yeah, he wasn't very good in 2021, but he was also hurt from the 2nd week through the rest of the season. I mean, context does matter, doesn't it?
@kermit56 was spot on.
Throughout the entirety of his career he's been consistently inconsistent.
Not sure how this fact is so upsetting to some.
He has been "consistently inconsistent." Not arguing that. Just saying context should matter. He was injured from Week 2 of the 2021 season, and I don't count the 2022 season; what QB could be successful given the circumstances Baker dealt with in 2022?
And on top of that, he's had just two HCs that possessed winning records over his entire career before arriving in TB (Stefanski/McVay) and had to deal with 7 HCs and 8 OCs over that span. That's an NFL record, btw. No QB has ever had so many HCs/OCs in their first 6 seasons. All of that instability wreaks havoc on a young QB's development. Most of them don't make it to their 6th season, much less lead a team to the playoffs and a W in the post-season.
I mean I get it; he wasn't very consistent in 2023. He had a string of games in the middle of the year where he didn't play well. But it was also his 7th or 8th new OC and new offense and new teammates in his career; his 4th new team and offense over just the last two seasons. And I don't want to sound like I'm trying to make excuses for Baker. Hell, I know he has flaws and has a consistency problem. He could've played better, no question. But given the circumstances, I think a lot of QBs would've been worse.
Hell, I know he has flaws and has a consistency problem. He could've played better, no question. But given the circumstances, I think a lot of QBs would've been worse.
Agreed.
https://atozsports.com/tampa-bay/will-bucs-pay-baker-mayfield/
Now, this is reasonable.
Agreed and I think the numbers are what you and multiple people have posted here. I think the circumstances could bring his $ up a bit, but it should be a number that lets the team achieve its goals.
From the article
Mayfield is top-10 in the NFL in touchdowns while limiting his interceptions to less than 12 this year and re-kindled the discussions over whether his ceiling as a quarterback is that of a top-10 guy in the NFL. He is top-5 in average depth of target while maintaining a league-average turnover-worthy play rate. He has done all of this without the aid of his deep ball, but by legitimately improving how well he works the intermediate part of the field.
All of this puts him on a trajectory to earn a mid-tier deal that will most likely work off the original model set by Teddy Bridgewater in Carolina in 2020 and then updated by Geno Smith and the Seahawks in 2022.
- Franchise Tag Likelihood: Low
- 3 years $82.5M, $27.5M APY, $32.5M Fully Gtd
- Year One Cap Hit: $12.5 million
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I'm sorry, but if Baker accepted a contract that low, I'd be disappointed in him, and more particularly, his agent.
Baker is significantly better than Geno. There's just no argument otherwise. At a minimum Baker should get no less than Goff's deal, with about $33.5 million/yr AAV, iirc. That should be the bottom-of-the-barrel offer he should accept. hell, it should be the minimum offer; a lesser offer should be considered an insult, imo.
Let him test the market and match. He's not leaving.
they've likely already priced it. His agent and the Bucs have very likely already agreed on a tight range that is the standard for the contract.
this stuff is not really “rocket surgery”
So let me ask you a question. What teams would offer Mayfield such a contract?
It's a good thing Badabing did the work, otherwise this question would have never been answered - even though it isn't rocket surgery.
"The Bucs actually asked Baker Mayfield for his input on all the coaches they were interviewing, including Liam Coen. “Do I know them? Do I have any interaction? What are my thoughts on that?” Mayfield said, adding that it was a “first” for him to be involved in that."
=RESPECT shown by JL and the Glazers to Baker. That’s a “gesture”, that’s free btw, that is worth more than money. That’s also called an intangible, “respect given first,” that is common among the Real Ones. It’s a good first step by the org to let Baller know they respect him and are very deadly serious about pursuing him to lead the Org and attempt to fill the shoes, giant Goat sized shoes btw, of his predecessor. Tough act to follow, the former Carolina Qb the Superman wannabe (his fashion sense was also-questionable to mI tastes anyhoo), tried…and failed so hard Chuck Norris kicked him out of Foxboro. But, aside from P’Ma being the guy to fill those shoes…I can’t really think of anyone else to even try it. There are many other Amazing QBs and all may arguably better athletes, sure, better qb’s arguably-sure, consistent, sure…but Ballerz’got fire. For example…take Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts for example. As great as Jackson is, he unfortunately is married in Baltimore..the AFC. All roads to the SB lead through Andy Reid and P’Ma…if the Ravens win more than 1 superbowl over the Chiefs during the Mahomes “era” I will be shocked. The Ravens don’t have enough 🔥 to take on Andy Reid, P’Ma and the Chiefs- the chiefs will be dining on Raven for the foreseeable future. One win, one trophy does not a dynasty make-yoda sage like wisdom. Luckily we play in the NFC and at least have a chance to get to the big Game, and if we are in the Game we’ll’ we got a punchers chance to maybe steal one…or maybe even go Eli mode and steal 2. Given our options, I feel you gotta fight fire with fire. BALLERz isn’t P’Ma, but even still….he almost stole one from him while playing as a Brown, imagine what he can do as a Buccaneer with ME and Gwin catching for him, Wirfa covering his blind side, and Vita, LVD, CK, AW3! Playing free, fast, and aggressive. In a perfect* scenario, we would have a fighters shot….thats all a Buccaneer needs, and maybe one TO bullet.
Just let it go, buddy.
Notice how the drunken, self-righteous, sack of shit now labels you "a troll" simply because you disagree with him.
Honestly, I think the irony of the whole thing is that you are BY FAR the biggest Trask fan on these boards, yet Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Drunk talk about him 10 times more than you do. 😂
Oh, I know, but it's kind of cathodic to push the buttons and see what shit he spews next. There were reporters who reported that Trask was playing better in camp, and I could see the difference in play in the preseason (a guy who was consistently hitting intermediate routes and moving the chains more, vs the experienced guy who was either 3 and out or managed a couple of short drives for TD's). What's funny was he said I was comparing Trask to Brady and Purdy, when I was only showing how nobody knows what they have until the dude gets a chance to play. Maybe he could be the next Purdy or Brady. Or maybe he could be the next Ryan Leaf. I only have belief in him because he showed the key traits in college that good NFL QB's have (proper reads, quick progressions, and keeping your eyes down field). I'd like to see the Bucs get some damn value out of that 2nd round pick instead of wasting it and going with Mr. Inconsistent, but it's not my call. All I can say is, if he is resigned, and we have another streak of 5 or 6 loses in 7 games, the Glazers should consider a house cleaning.
It's all good. I guess I'll just keep being thought of by him as a "troll". 😆
As an add on sorry. Regarding gestures, gestures of good faith, and “respect given first.” Hiring the Offensive Coordinator, hand picking in fact, then Committing Before BALLERz does, shows the Glazers intent without them having to broadcast it on billboards…and it’s a big gamble. They have saddled themselves with an OC for Baller benefit-for continuity and stability (and Baller can still jet to Carolina like Canales and betray the organization that gave him a shot to resurrect his career). If you understand how “private people” communicate (hint—>thrU actIons) you can understand the “msg” they are putting down. They believe in him, unlike Cleveland and MeShaun Watson’the massage connoisseur, and are/have already taken a gamble on the guy. Ballz in Ballerz court now, what does HE dU? What can I even dU….hmmmm,….Popcorn at the ready and hope to be entertained.
