Hard to understand why so many here LOVE EVANS but ignore his words on Mayfield
It's hard for you to understand because you're a raging simpleton:
Hard to understand why so many here LOVE EVANS but ignore his words on Mayfield
It's hard for you to understand because you're a raging simpleton:
so you dont believe him? You know he says in one of theose that its a tough call betwene Winston and FITZ lol
Either way, I do.
Happily on Team Evans and decidedly not on Team Buggsy. By the way is Team Buggsy a young team?
FWIW, I don't put too much stock into what one player says about another player in the media. You don't see too many players throw a teammate under the bus, or an ex-teammate for that matter (not including Antonio Brown).
Fair enough, but Evans is just one example. I just posted Canales. My point is only that a LOT of football people support the guy, not just teammates
With Baker's recent issue with his family misappropriating his money and him playing for only about $6 mil I fully expect him to go to the team who offers him the most guaranteed money. This may be his one last shot at some real money and he has to get it while he can. So he's not looking at where he's going to be most successful. He's looking at who's ponying up with the guaranteed cash. So based on that I don't think it's a lock he'll come back to the Bucs. If I were him that's how I'd be looking at it.
You are clueless beyond doubt and know absolutely nothing about Mayfield
You just hope he does this so Trask can play
The last effing thing Baker wants to do is start over again with a 9th HC in 7 seasons. That's pure ignorance and a turning a blind eye to everything there is to see here
Its called Esprit de corps
Yeah but that mentality is scared. Dont go into a situation thinking its your last chance. We MAKE oUr! OWN chances!!! AND we manUfacture oUr Own lUck!!!. Faith, love, and CoURAGE!!!! trUmps last chances. Its a Yolo life, Go BIG AF or Sit TF Down and let the Real Ones rule. Life is kinda hard even still sometimes. That statement is faIrley unIversal. Its fIrst coUsins with the "biggest monster we face Is the Us" concept of Challenge. Anyhoo, Its doesn't Have to Be anyones last chance until we breath our last roaring breath. Well tootaloo, gUd lUck ManUfactorIng l yoUr Own lUck even stIll! bIshes!
It's unfornunate that so many people cannot see through the BS, inlcuding Licht.
Forget where he was drafted, we gave a journeyman QB excellent OTs, excellent WRs, a great pass catching RB and an OC who became a HC in 1 season and the journeyman QB gets the credit and the contract. It's such an ignorant way to go about this.
Fair Point JC. But, I agree to disagree. I feel that IT goes both ways. Whos to say it wasn't Ballerz making Canales look good, or Bowles even. Sure he had some weapons, JL has been doing a Bang Up JOB, that's not Ballerz fault that he fInally was provided sUmthing to work with. Give the Guy moah credit JC, he helped them as mUch as they helped hIm! Thoughts?
we gave a journeyman QB excellent OTs, excellent WRs, a great pass catching RB and an OC who became a HC in 1 season and the journeyman QB gets the credit and the contract.
Hard to argue with anything posted, here.
fair except maybe that it is incomplete? HOW ABOUT THIS MINOR EDIT FOR COMPLETENESS?
we gave a journeyman QB excellent OTs, excellent WRs, a great pass catching RB and an OC who became a HC in 1 season and the journeyman QB gets the credit FROM, among many others, one of those OTs WHO IS A FUTURE HOFer AND ONE OF THOSE WRs . . ALSO A FUTURE HoFer . . BOTH OF WHOM WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY TO SAY MAYFIELD SHOULD BE BACK.
So, the contract is the contract, whatever the market dictates, but in terms of the "credit" . . this is where some here are REALLY THROWING STONES FROM INSIDE THEIR GLASS HOUSES because I seem to recall the most obnoxious, most over-zealous Trask loving, Mayfield bashing poster here - a guy who wanted to bench Mayfield in October - JUSTIFYING the hilarious, absurd, over-the-top late season bashing of Mayfield BY TRASK SUPPORTERS ("nice run by mayfield, but he probably had 4 guys open") by saying, in essence:
"Thats just the way it is in football, you simpleton, the QB always gets too much credit and TOO MUCH BLAME ."
:-)
I took the liberty of adjusting it slightly. Mea Culpa.
Not a contract guyy, mostly a waste of time to worry about in my book BUT . . this is SR's analysis:
"If I’m Mayfield I’m not necessarily looking at the $25 million that Geno Smith made in Seattle last year with his three-year $75 million contract. I’m looking at the fact that Deshaun Watson, his replacement in Cleveland, and New York Giants quarterback Daniel Jones are making $46 million and $40 million per season on average, respectively, and I’m telling the Bucs, “I’m better than either one.” And if he’s better than either one, he probably deserves to get paid like it.
Mayfield is also better than New Orleans’ Derek Carr, who makes an average of $37.5 million, and Tennessee’s Ryan Tannehill, who averaged $29.5 million on his deal with the Titans. But that doesn’t mean he’ll necessarily get offered – or receive – a deal worth $40 million per season. Of course the Bucs shouldn’t be penalized for other teams’ bad deals."
Not a contract guyy, mostly a waste of time to worry about in my book BUT . . this is SR's analysis:
"If I’m Mayfield I’m not necessarily looking at the $25 million that Geno Smith made in Seattle last year with his three-year $75 million contract. I’m looking at the fact that Deshaun Watson, his replacement in Cleveland, and New York Giants quarterback Daniel Jones are making $46 million and $40 million per season on average, respectively, and I’m telling the Bucs, “I’m better than either one.” And if he’s better than either one, he probably deserves to get paid like it.
Mayfield is also better than New Orleans’ Derek Carr, who makes an average of $37.5 million, and Tennessee’s Ryan Tannehill, who averaged $29.5 million on his deal with the Titans. But that doesn’t mean he’ll necessarily get offered – or receive – a deal worth $40 million per season. Of course the Bucs shouldn’t be penalized for other teams’ bad deals."
he had one good year for us. i think they need to keep him hungry. $33M would be the highest i'd go with the sweet spot being anywhere between 25M to 30M.
anything higher and we should call his bluff and see what Cousins or Wilson would take.
While much rather build a team around the younger option Mayfield, he needs to go out and show he can do it again. And 25-30M is nothing to sneeze at. 40M would be foolish for the Bucs to cave at.
$33M would be the highest i'd go with the sweet spot being anywhere between 25M to 30M.
I think thats probably where it ends up, maybe a little higher, but the discussion is pretty pointless because for the most part it means little to nothing in terms of the teams success. I get the impact, for example, of dead cap money, but each year the team is basically spending the cap and each year a QB cost roughly so much IN ACTUAL DOLLARS and those actual dollars are typically shifted around over and over (Carr is probably restructuring, as one example) across all of the players.
Somehow, if the chance at a SB run is there, they always seem capable of making it happen and ultimately long-term success is more about drafting, increasingly so really.
And the people who dont like mayfield will claim he is overpaid no matter what and those voices will get louder and louder if the team performance slips. Mayfield isnt setting the market price, he's just getting paid.
And the people who dont like mayfield will claim he is overpaid no matter what and those voices will get louder and louder if the team performance slips. Mayfield isnt setting the market price, he's just getting paid.
Mayfield must be a polarizing guy. We have life long Buccaneer fans rooting against him and therefore the team. A sad state of affairs. One of our most entertaining and successful seasons sans Brady in a long time and they couldn't even enjoy it and wanted to nitpick every little thing. At 4-7, ok, we were still in it and 100% of us were on board with one more loss, we see what the back-up 2nd rounder of 3 years has in him. But when the Bucs were on their win streak, they still couldn't stand it. Even delusional at 9-8, they muttered what good is playoffs if we lose in first round, then Bucs dominated their game. Didn't hear much push back after that, albeit still some delusional ass clowns wanting to move on from Baker.
They can't wait to see Bucs struggle and say "i told you so" or in a few years, "i just brought a car from Kyle Trask and if he was still in the league, he'd be doing better than Baker right now"
We potentially got our answer at QB. Is he Mahomes? No. Is he Lamar, Dak Prescott? Ehh no but apparently more clutch in the playoffs. He showed that in the playoffs, we can compete with playoff teams and not bad for year 1 post Brady. We'd be foolish not to be in the Baker Camp at a reasonable rate - $25m-$33M.
anyone not wanting Baker back has their head up their ass. Look no further than the Bears, Commanders, Carolina, Atlanta, Raiders or Titans who started guys who have no future starting in the league. That is what many of you want with recommending a guy like Kyle Trask.
Baker ain't worth 40 million but to not want him back at a reasonable rate is just plain retarded behavior
I have too much PTSD from the wasted Bucs DECADE that was Josh Freeman + Jameis Winston. Drafting a QB is a 100% crap shoot. Stick with Baker.
One of the things nobody really anticipates, but could be introduced for Baker or Mike, is that they use the franchise tag on them. Is the market really sizzling for either of them? Franchise / trade option comes into play. Someone wants to put up 40+ a year on Baker? OK gonna cost you a first rounder for 1 year / 37 .
Let them both test.
