Hmm. A lot of people are predicting an Eagles blowout, but Vegas has it at less than a 6 point game.
part of what makes the NFL great, so hard to predict
If you look at the Eagles game against the Vikings, the Eagles have the lead at halftime and then come out and get a strip sack and the TD and then Vikes try again and punt and then another Eagles TD.
the point being that the Eagles were pretty much in control. Not really like our game.
Hard to compare game in the NFL though, especially early on
the Bucs play mistake free football again and i see us winning the game
the trouble comes if we turn the ball over, how does the game turn out.
also, Does Davis play?
should be a good game and Vegas has us as 5 pt dogs but i feel we can win it if the ball bounces are way. i feel more confident against the eagles then i do the road games against Buffalo and 49ers
When you say Canales scheme's open's playmakers in space can you tell me exactly what plays you are referring to. On Evans 71 yarder, he pushed the defender off at the top of his route, that's how he got open. On his 33 yarder, Baker broke from the pocket, ran to the sideline, the db came up and Baker threw it over his head. I saw Baker break the pocket several times and side armed a few despite tight coverage. I'm going to rewatch the game, show me what to look for to help me see where playmaker are running open in space, please Sir.Canales has played a big role in Baker’s success so far this season, which is what I thought would happen when he arrived as OC.
QB-friendly system, with passing concepts that scheme open our playmakers in space, making it easier for the QB.
And, wouldn’t you know it? Only 2 weeks in and we’re Top-5 in play-action usage.
Imagine that!
IMHO Baker's mobility and 5-0 turnover ratio have been a greater factor in winning these first 2. But I'm open to you showing me all this scheming you're talking about.
I'm going to rewatch the game,
Cool.
While you’re at it watch the Vikings game as well.
When you’re done, pull any 2 random games from last year. Doesn’t matter which ones.
When you’re finished watching the All-22 for all of these, let us know what you see different with:
- Play sequencing
- Play calling predictably
- Personnel (variants, % of packages on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd downs)
- Routes, route combos, route concepts
- Pre-snap movement/motions
- Receiver separation
Let us know what you see different from the All-22’s from this season vs. last season.
One thing I do know... if Trask were starting we'd probably be 0-2
This sounds like something the Professor would say, conflating opinion and speculation with fact.
Why? He's immobile and our line still sucks.
Will McDonald IV disagrees with you on Trask's mobility. Regardless, this point has been way overplayed. Here are their respective combine/pro day times:
Baker Mayfield: 4.84 40 yard, 2.84 20 yd split, 1.72 10 yd split, 4.28 20 yd shuttle, & 7.00 three cone
Kyle Trask: 5.08 40 yard, 2.96 20 yd split, 1.70 10 yd split, 4.38 20 yd shuttle, & 7.08 three cone
Some of you people act like we're comparing Michael Vick to Peyton Manning. It's simply not the case. Hell, Trask had a better 10 yard split - which the QB rarely has to run farther than that. The differences in these times are negligible for a QB.
For the record, I'm not bashing Mayfield. I've been pleasantly surprised by his play, outside of the first half vs. Minny. He followed that up with 6 really good quarters of football.
There's speed and there's feel.
Mayfield may only be slightly faster via combine but think about the plays he's made so far Ala "Mahomes" (yes huge stretch but if Mahomes made some of those shovel passes the media would wet themselves).
So maybe a better way to put it is the ability to improvise and create + veteran knowledge and experience.
Trask might only be slightly slower on paper but there's zero chance he makes those scrambles to close out in Minn, or those passes to keep the chains moving last week.
Our line continues to look awful outside of Wirfs. Trask would get eaten alive
I'm going to rewatch the game,
Cool.
While you’re at it watch the Vikings game as well.
When you’re done, pull any 2 random games from last year. Doesn’t matter which ones.
When you’re finished watching the All-22 for all of these, let us know what you see different with:
- Play sequencing
- Play calling predictably
- Personnel (variants, % of packages on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd downs)
- Routes, route combos, route concepts
- Pre-snap movement/motions
- Receiver separation
Let us know what you see different from the All-22’s from this season vs. last season.
Simple question: Baker completed 26 passes, which plays are you taking about where our receivers were schemed open in space?
There's speed and there's feel.
You've been mentioning Trask's immobility since he was drafted. But you're transitioning from "immobile" to "feel" now? I might have just admitted that I was surprised by facts of the mobility situation, but you can go the mystical "feel" route if you like. I don't think it's a very persuasive argument after the countless "immobile" arguments you've made, but you do you.
The only logical counter would be a QB's mobility is completely different than a QB's pocket presence or instincts. I assume that's what you mean by "feel" above.
So maybe a better way to put it is the ability to improvise and create + veteran knowledge and experience.
Trask might only be slightly slower on paper but there's zero chance he makes those scrambles to close out in Minn, or those passes to keep the chains moving last week.
Trask would get eaten alive
Mayfield does have more experience, that's indisputable. But the rest of this continues to be opinion and speculation presented as fact.
Posters who liked Winston only remember the good things he did, while those who didn't like Winston only remember the bad things. The same goes for Bowles and Mayfield. But points can be made without calling each other's names.
Because neither is or has been elite. We will see how baker does with this version of the bucs though. It's only two games so far. He doesn't have to be elite. He didn't have to be and wasn't elite in both games so far. Just needs to be taking care of the ball and making plays like he's done. As long as d doesn't allow too many points we should be in games because we have playmaker on offense where baker just needs to make the play. If he does he will have a great season and we can have higher hopes than we did going in.
Simple question: Baker completed 26 passes, which plays are you taking about where our receivers were schemed open in space?
You asked a question, I gave you an answer.
You can do the same in return.
What did you notice in the Vikings and Bears game vs. whatever random 2 games you chose?
One thing I do know... if Trask were starting we'd probably be 0-2
This sounds like something the Professor would say, conflating opinion and speculation with fact.
Why? He's immobile and our line still sucks.
Will McDonald IV disagrees with you on Trask's mobility. Regardless, this point has been way overplayed. Here are their respective combine/pro day times:
Baker Mayfield: 4.84 40 yard, 2.84 20 yd split, 1.72 10 yd split, 4.28 20 yd shuttle, & 7.00 three cone
Kyle Trask: 5.08 40 yard, 2.96 20 yd split, 1.70 10 yd split, 4.38 20 yd shuttle, & 7.08 three cone
Some of you people act like we're comparing Michael Vick to Peyton Manning. It's simply not the case. Hell, Trask had a better 10 yard split - which the QB rarely has to run farther than that. The differences in these times are negligible for a QB.
The subject of your opinion - Trask - even seems to disagree with you. LMAO
Trask told reporters in the preseason that he DROPPED 5 or 10 pounds just to be "as light on his feet as he can be." (**something Mayfield did HIMSELF for more mobility only a few years back)
Lost (of course) in Buggsy's opinion are the most salient facts when it comes to the DIFFERENCE between Mayfield and Trask in terms of MOBILITY and that is that
TRASK IS 6' 5" and roughly 240.
Mayfield is 6' 1 and 215
FUNDAMENTAL ANBD OBVIOUS facts that Buggsy omits (of course)
Some of you people act like we're comparing Michael Vick to Peyton Manning.
BTW, proof Buggsy KNEW he was making a specious argument is this completely bogus strawman. This is the kind of rhetorical fallback you need to prop up such utter BS.
What;'s next? Buggsy says there is NO CORRELATION between running and passing in the NFL?
