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Posted by: @kermit56

More and more, I'm getting the feeling we are going to see if he can duplicate it next year.

He's 100% back next year if Bowles doesn't get canned. 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 10:26 am
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First Season Numbers from Notable Bucs QB's (*using Freeman's 1st full season as starter)

Yards

Brady - 4,633 (16 games)

Mayfield - 4,044 (17 games)

Winston - 4,042 (16 games)

Freeman - 3,451 (16 games)

Completion Percentage

Brady - 65.7%

Mayfield - 64.3%

Freeman - 61.4%

Winston - 58.3%

INT's

Freeman - 6

Mayfield - 10

Brady - 12

Winston - 15

TOTAL TD'S

Brady - 43

Mayfield - 29

Winston - 28 

Freeman - 25

TD%

Brady - 6.6%

Freeman - 5.3%

Mayfield - 4.9%

Winston - 4.1%

Rating

Brady - 102.2

Freeman - 95.9

Mayfield - 94.6

Winston - 84.2

Record

Brady: 11-5

Freeman: 10-6

Mayfield: 9-8

Winston: 6-10

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Some interesting numbers, when looking at notable Bucs quarterbacks first full seasons as starter throughout the years. 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 10:54 am
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

First Season Numbers from Notable Bucs QB's (*using Freeman's 1st full season as starter)

Yards

Brady - 4,633 (16 games)

Mayfield - 4,044 (17 games)

Winston - 4,042 (16 games)

Freeman - 3,451 (16 games)

Completion Percentage

Brady - 65.7%

Mayfield - 64.3%

Freeman - 61.4%

Winston - 58.3%

INT's

Freeman - 6

Mayfield - 10

Brady - 12

Winston - 15

TOTAL TD'S

Brady - 43

Mayfield - 29

Winston - 28 

Freeman - 25

TD%

Brady - 6.6%

Freeman - 5.3%

Mayfield - 4.9%

Winston - 4.1%

Rating

Brady - 102.2

Freeman - 95.9

Mayfield - 94.6

Winston - 84.2

Record

Brady: 11-5

Freeman: 10-6

Mayfield: 9-8

Winston: 6-10

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Some interesting numbers, when looking at notable Bucs quarterbacks first full seasons as starter throughout the years. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thanks for preparing.

looks like Tom Brady, greatest to ever play the game, would rank #1.  No surprise that this season also ended with a Super bowl victory

Mayfield looks like he would rank #2.  In addition to numbers above, made playoffs, TBD on how the season ends.

Freeman #3

Winston #4

unfortunately for Freeman, the success of his first year was short lived as his next year was 4-11 record with 16 TDs and 22 INTs, following up the next year at 7-9 record until his final year at 0-3 record in Tampa before his tenure was ended.

and to be fair, we should list supporting cast

Freeman had Cadillac Williams, Arrelious Benn, Mike Wilson, and Kellen Winslow. 

Winston had Doug Martin, Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, and Luke Stocker

Brady had Leonard Fournette, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown, and Rob Gronkowski

Mayfield had Rachaad White, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and Cade Otton.

makes Freeman's first full starting year quite impressive. 10-6 record, albeit a playoff miss, our best season for 10 years until the great Brady joined us. 

 

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 11:30 am
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

Some interesting numbers, when looking at notable Bucs quarterbacks first full seasons as starter throughout the years. 

But someone posted Baker had better stats than Brady. What stats would that be?

 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 11:31 am
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

Some interesting numbers, when looking at notable Bucs quarterbacks first full seasons as starter throughout the years. 

But someone posted Baker had better stats than Brady. What stats would that be?

 

Cherry picked stats.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 11:39 am
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Great comparison. The young guys fall off the next year probably? Brady excels, of course  

Next year would be tougher for Mayfield just based on schedule and film of the Bucs offense (if Canales stays) but film is the big difference already  (besides Molly, hopefully lol) because Mayfield is a well known veteran, tons of film, more like Brady then the other new QBs. (He’s not Brady, just that the other QBs had no real film)

I think people refer to that 2010 season as the “miracle” season with Morris. Blount running hard! Youngry! 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 11:42 am
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

Some interesting numbers, when looking at notable Bucs quarterbacks first full seasons as starter throughout the years. 

But someone posted Baker had better stats than Brady. What stats would that be?

 

 

maybe they were referring to 2023 versus 2022.  Nick Wright does it all the time on first things first.  stupid analyst.

no way, anyone would think 2023 Baker can compare to 2020 or 2021 Brady MVP caliber seasons. 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 11:43 am
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maybe they were referring to 2023 versus 2022.  Nick Wright does it all the time on first things first.  stupid analyst.

Glad you mentioned it (in bold). 

So is anyone comparing Baker this season to Brady last year. 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 11:50 am
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Posted by: @badabingbucs

and to be fair, we should list supporting cast

If we're going to put an emphasis on that, then it's easily:

#1. Brady

#2. Freeman

#3. Baker

#4. Winston

Also, as mentioned in the previous post, Baker got an extra game vs. the others (16 game vs. 17 game season). 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 11:52 am
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@donkey_hunter---from the previous page of this topic: POINT . . . there are reasonable, football-related ways to describe both his flaws and his skills, but most of the stuff posted here is hyperbolic, he's a completely incompetent REJECT . . .  when his stats are better than Brady's and he's in the top of the league this year.

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 11:56 am
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Posted by: @kermit56

@donkey_hunter---from the previous page of this topic: POINT . . . there are reasonable, football-related ways to describe both his flaws and his skills, but most of the stuff posted here is hyperbolic, he's a completely incompetent REJECT . . .  when his stats are better than Brady's and he's in the top of the league this year.

Again, look at the source of said post. 

Ramblings of a drunk waste of space. 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 11:58 am
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maybe they were referring to 2023 versus 2022.  Nick Wright does it all the time on first things first.  stupid analyst.

Glad you mentioned it (in bold). 

So is anyone comparing Baker this season to Brady last year. 

 

exactly, Baker has Trask holding the clipboard while Brady had Gabbert.  Could you imagine if Trask was holding the clipboard for Brady?  Man, that guy still be playing 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 12:06 pm
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maybe they were referring to 2023 versus 2022.  Nick Wright does it all the time on first things first.  stupid analyst.

Glad you mentioned it (in bold). 

So is anyone comparing Baker this season to Brady last year. 

 

exactly, Baker has Trask holding the clipboard while Brady had Gabbert.  Could you imagine if Trask was holding the clipboard for Brady?  Man, that guy still be playing 

 

Your obsession with Trask is creepy. 

Promise us you won't go all Hinckley Jr./ Jodie Foster on us, okay?

 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 12:16 pm
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Posted by: @firebowles2023

By that logic draft every duck o-line.

Powers-Johnson is an elite center. Let's grab him 

Would be a great pick in the first round

 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 12:28 pm
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maybe they were referring to 2023 versus 2022.  Nick Wright does it all the time on first things first.  stupid analyst.

Glad you mentioned it (in bold). 

So is anyone comparing Baker this season to Brady last year. 

 

exactly, Baker has Trask holding the clipboard while Brady had Gabbert.  Could you imagine if Trask was holding the clipboard for Brady?  Man, that guy still be playing 

 

Your obsession with Trask is creepy. 

Promise us you won't go all Hinckley Jr./ Jodie Foster on us, okay?

 

 

im giving the guy his flowers.  a compliment if you will.  We may need him tonight if Baker can't finish or is ineffective 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 15, 2024 12:38 pm
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