@donkey_hunter---from the previous page of this topic: POINT . . . there are reasonable, football-related ways to describe both his flaws and his skills, but most of the stuff posted here is hyperbolic, he's a completely incompetent REJECT . . . when his stats are better than Brady's and he's in the top of the league this year.
There are guys here that know what what they are talking about, and then there's that particular gasbag.
A better way to compare best seasons would be:
Brady year 2
Brady year 1
Baker year 1
Brady year 3
Freeman year 1
Winston year 5 (idk if this is his best year but from memory it is even tho he has 38 turnovers)
A better way to compare best seasons would be:
Brady year 2
Brady year 1
Baker year 1
Brady year 3
Freeman year 1
Winston year 5 (idk if this is his best year but from memory it is even tho he has 38 turnovers)
That's fair.
Though, I would have swapped Baker Year 1 and Brady Year 3, simply for the clown show he had to deal with at OC. Nobody could overcome that. Lol.
Good question about Winston though. I mean, based on a lot of different metrics, it was. And, admittedly, a good number of those picks weren't on him.
Go to 2:25 and you'll see Greg Cosell dispel some of the Baker "cant get through progressions or read defenses" posted here. Its a pas splay against the Titans with a LATE change of defense that takes away his primary read (Godwin on the PLAY side). He recognizes and goes back to the FIELD side and hits Evans who is on a DIG
https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/eagles-game-plan-wild-card-round-vs-buccaneers-2023
And if you look at the play you will see Palmer clear out the safety basically NEVER LOOKING BACK AT THE BALL. When the pass is thrown to Evans Palmer is on top of the safety, so if he open? sure. Almost no field left and he is SLOWING DOWN (ie he knows his role was mostly just to clear the DIG.)
if you keep watching you will see and hear a play that is a coverage sack in the Eagles game
The whole video is worth watching
It's not like he can't, on occasion, get through his reads. It's his consistency. He tends to lock onto a player. He also tends to be a little slow going through them, and gets gun shy at times when a guy isn't clearly open in an area he prefers to throw to. Then he turns around and throws it right to a fully covered guy and has a DB drop the ball.
It's the inconsistency. He's had games where he's played elite. He's capable of it. But those are rare, and he plays so up and down. You need consistency to consistently win in the NFL, which should be obvious.
I see it, to get to the next level he will have to PRACTICE AND PRACTICE AND PRACTICE. If he can do that, even in just this offseason. Which may even start today If we lose to the STINKIN IGGLES. Its win-win IMHO. If we win, we get to gloat to all the haterz, basically tea-bag them like my son does on Call of Duty when he completely goes off/ He does this kneeling glitch thing that actually results in his little guy putting his BALLs in his defeated foes face. Every game we win, we can TEA BAG haters, that OUR reward as fans and for the individual players. If we lose, 1 our draft position is a tad better, 2 our offseason starts TODAY, after the game. Gives the guys even more time to hone their craft and iron out their individual weaknesses. I say, if we win....win as much as you can. If you lose, take 3-4 weeks vacation, completely decompress and forget the word Football if you can. In 3-4 weeks, remember the word FOOTBALL, remember what you do well-water that part, think about where you are weak and plan out how you can get better, one step at a time....Then do it!!! That is ALL!!!!
Heres a hint. D. White=Potential+Underperforming. Why???? He has all the physical tools, and KNOWS how to play. Why is he underperforming. I know why. He plays for himself instead of the team. He plays for his next payday instead of the team. He needs to learn from the guy on his left....A guys who is a true legend in the hearts of TRU BUCS FANS LVD (is he on his right? I dunno, I dun know shiz about the details). LVD overperforms and always has...Why. I know. He's a quiet grinder, like his mentor DB. He plays for his TEAM FIRST and himself 2nd. Thats why he over performs. If White can take the offseason and realize football is, and always be a TEAM SPORT, and can stop things about his stats and payday and develop a DB/LVD attitude...I think uhm, he can STILL be GREAT. Thats just the tip (hardy har har!!!!).
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It's not like he can't, on occasion, get through his reads.
Exactly.
I mean, I saw Mahomes throw the football with his left hand once in a playoff game; so clearly he can play QB at a high level as a lefty, right?
The mindset of a simpleton...
The trolling infection ^^ starts early ever day
usually the first post
hey, save it for the game day thread!!
You miss understand Biggs humor. He had replied to DH. Those ttwo understand each other, just let them be sarcastic, its one of their strengths, you just have to be able to tell the difference between when they are being serious and when they are being sarcastic...trust me, it will take years to be able to tell the difference, ESPECIALLY BIGGS our board "troll" he's not as trolly as yall think, he's just crazy misunderstood 1, and TROLL second. He has his moments, just ackknowledge them and stay civil at ALL times. Its actually quite simple that even a simpleton (hardy har har!!!! Sarcasm)
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First Season Numbers from Notable Bucs QB's (*using Freeman's 1st full season as starter)
Yards
Brady - 4,633 (16 games)
Mayfield - 4,044 (17 games)
Winston - 4,042 (16 games)
Freeman - 3,451 (16 games)
Completion Percentage
Brady - 65.7%
Mayfield - 64.3%
Freeman - 61.4%
Winston - 58.3%
INT's
Freeman - 6
Mayfield - 10
Brady - 12
Winston - 15
TOTAL TD'S
Brady - 43
Mayfield - 29
Winston - 28
Freeman - 25
TD%
Brady - 6.6%
Freeman - 5.3%
Mayfield - 4.9%
Winston - 4.1%
Rating
Brady - 102.2
Freeman - 95.9
Mayfield - 94.6
Winston - 84.2
Record
Brady: 11-5
Freeman: 10-6
Mayfield: 9-8
Winston: 6-10
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Some interesting numbers, when looking at notable Bucs quarterbacks first full seasons as starter throughout the years.
Nice factual support. Its refined my hypothetical conjecture. I mean Baker is Second in most of those Categories. Considering Brady is on that list, and TOPS most of them, Baker being second...is uhm...just fine with me. Im cool wit'dat!!! Lets see year 2 and do this list again after next year. Good Job DH!
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Cherry picked stats.Some interesting numbers, when looking at notable Bucs quarterbacks first full seasons as starter throughout the years.
But someone posted Baker had better stats than Brady. What stats would that be?
Billshit, man. These are basic stats. Listen, I know what VITAL signs are. Temp, BP, HR, RR, SPO2...they are called VITAL for a reason. You wanna call total yards in a season, completion %, TD's, INT's, and QBR AS CHERRY PICKED STATS???? You got better stats to Cherry PICK SON, Lets see them!!!! Theres nothing more than I love than the taste of CROW on these boards. Cherry PICK some stats for me LITTLE ONE and I will call you my BETTER. Otherwise SIT TF DOWN pls and let us have a CIVIL discussion. Listen, theres a thread that I made called Game Day thread-No infection, something like that. If thats your mindset, dont bother visiting that thread, just move along...just next....just BYE FELICIA.
Mic DROP. Sorry I hate being mean ( 😜 😱 )
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Mayfield is absolutely not Brady lol. Mayfield and the Canales offense are producing better this year than Brady and that offense, which he obviously had a lot of input but night v day. Forty plus year old Brady woukd NEVER agree to all the running in this offense and Mayfield throws 40 INTs in last years offense
Cherry picked stats.Some interesting numbers, when looking at notable Bucs quarterbacks first full seasons as starter throughout the years.
But someone posted Baker had better stats than Brady. What stats would that be?
Not at all. Just two different points. DH was presumably trying to illustrate how 1st year QB production may not carry over (Winston & Freeman). That’s a good point I agree with, even though Mayfield is a vet.
DH posted Brady first year. Brady is the GOAT and playing in a SB year with Gronk etc.
Mayfields stats THIS YEAR are very comparable to Brady last year WHEN THEY VERY SIMILAR LINEUPS
That does not mean Mayfield >= to Brady it means fans are getting more WITH LESS. From the QB position. My point. A point that runs some Trask trolls the wrong way maybe but a different point
If you want to see a comparison that is NOT a comparison but instead laughable trolling by a Trask fan how about comparing Mayfield to Mahomes throwing left handed? Lmao
A better way to compare best seasons would be:
Brady year 2
Brady year 1
Baker year 1
Brady year 3
Freeman year 1
Winston year 5 (idk if this is his best year but from memory it is even tho he has 38 turnovers)
well considering Freeman and Winston flamed out, not sure what relevance those provide
Brady year 1 and 2 were MVP caliber and he was the GOAT with loaded HOF talent around him. Unless we are getting Patrick Mahomes, not sure what that bar holds
Brady year 3 was decent for a normal QB but atrocious for Brady standards, so bad, he retired. so i guess the bar can be Brady year 3 albeit not winning a Superbowl with that performance.
Baker year 1 > Brady year 3 (but let's give the credit to everyone but Baker, i'm fine with that); still not good enough to win a Super Bowl but good enough to make Buc playoffs enjoyable to watch all year, something Winston and Freeman weren't capable of accomplishing as we were out of it by end of October in most years.
Cherry picked stats.Some interesting numbers, when looking at notable Bucs quarterbacks first full seasons as starter throughout the years.
But someone posted Baker had better stats than Brady. What stats would that be?
Billshit, man. These are basic stats. Listen, I know what VITAL signs are. Temp, BP, HR, RR, SPO2...they are called VITAL for a reason. You wanna call total yards in a season, completion %, TD's, INT's, and QBR AS CHERRY PICKED STATS???? You got better stats to Cherry PICK SON, Lets see them!!!! Theres nothing more than I love than the taste of CROW on these boards. Cherry PICK some stats for me LITTLE ONE and I will call you my BETTER. Otherwise SIT TF DOWN pls and let us have a CIVIL discussion. Listen, theres a thread that I made called Game Day thread-No infection, something like that. If thats your mindset, dont bother visiting that thread, just move along...just next....just BYE FELICIA.
Mic DROP. Sorry I hate being mean ( 😜 😱 )
RamonB1981 GOOO BUCS!!!!
Whoops, I quoted the wrong post. Anyhoo, theres a poster who claimed DH was cherry picking stats, that roast was him for that dude.
Ramon B 1981 GOOO BUCS!!!!
