I'd need to rewatch that 3rd and 1 play but at the time it looked well covered
Baker played better because Canales called the game better...
This is just flat out wrong. Baker played better because Baker played better. He was able to find the open receivers he's been missing and made accurate throws. That's on him. Just as it's on him when he doesn't find those open receivers and make accurate passes. He's consistently inconsistent. Luckily, he was on in the playoff game.
My only beef with baker in this game was him looking right at Durham on 3rd and 1, not throwing to him for the easy first and getting sacked taking us out of field goal range at 16-9
Agreed, that's one of the few bad plays for BM vs. the Eagles.
It's of note that the same guy who didn't know Otton was wide open vs. Carolina, and is still trying to wrongly analyze the play even though he's admitted he hasn't rewatched it after being flat-out wrong, also said this play to Durham wasn't there. It's the same guy that thinks Mayfield will play well only if Canales calls a good game. There is ample evidence that proves this isn't true.
It's the same guy that thinks Mayfield will play well only if Canales calls a good game.
lol.
It’s gotta be something in the water
Despite Biggs being unnecessarily douchy with this post... I'll respond.
1.) Otton being open isn't crazy... it's reasonable to assume Otton was a 4th read there. Maybe not... neither of us know. But what I do know is almost every NFL play you'll find a window where someone is open. So why doesn't every NFL QB have 100% completion percentage?
2.) Canales schemed first or second reads WIDE OPEN. This is far different than "there was a window there where Godwin was open for 1 seconds". You know this and of course you also know we had elite YAC this game....why? Well Eagles can't tackle for shit but also players WIDE OPEN EARLY.
3.) Are you suggesting that Canales was just as good vs Carolina as he was vs Eagles? Laughable if that's the case.
4.) You are 100% certain that Durham gets that first down with the defender on him? Obvious throwing it incomplete is far better than the sack but that play looked to be a one read play design and the defender read it. Did not look open at the time but again I haven't rewatched that play.
5.) It's ok to not be a condescending douche 24/7. Give it a try.
I'm about to address specific points with specific answers, which is sure to ruffle feathers.
Otton being open isn't crazy... it's reasonable to assume Otton was a 4th read there
It's not reasonable to assume. You're completely pulling this out of your ass in an attempt to make your point stronger. It's not working.
I have no idea why you continue to reference a play you were wrong about initially and haven't taken the time to rewatch. This might go better for you if would just stop yanking things directly from your anus and watch the play again. If you're honest with yourself, you'll see you are wrong.
But what I do know is almost every NFL play you'll find a window where someone is open.
This isn't true either. Have you ever considered that you don't know as much as you think you do?
Are you suggesting that Canales was just as good vs Carolina as he was vs Eagles? Laughable if that's the case.
More or less, yes. There were dozens of plays out there (some big, some small) that were missed by the QB vs. Carolina, either through not seeing them, seeing them late, or seeing them but making poor throws. Mayfield made those plays this game. He didn't make those plays vs. Carolina. You appear to be too caught up in the result of the play when evaluating the playcaller, and that's foolish.
You are 100% certain that Durham gets that first down with the defender on him?
If the ball is thrown on time and accurately, yes. The defender wasn't on him right away, like you apparently think he was. It was a pretty easy first down at best and an incomplete pass with a FG attempt coming at worse. Instead, the Bucs punted. And you, predictably, hung that on the OC instead of the QB that took a sack he shouldn't have taken.
It's ok to not be a condescending douche 24/7. Give it a try.
These are the edited, non-douchy posts. You should see the first drafts.
This is just flat out wrong. Baker played better because Baker played better. He was able to find the open receivers he's been missing and made accurate throws. That's on him. Just as it's on him when he doesn't find those open receivers and make accurate passes.
if actual logic applied this ^^^ would mean that the plays called by Canales are of NO CONSEQUENCE. So, a quick 3 yd slant to Evans when the DB is 8 yds off . . is the same play to the QB as a go route to Palmer on 3rd and 1 or a seam route to Otton.
pfft
the play calling matters too OBVIOUSLY
Canales can have a bad play calling day too . . OBVIOUSLY
uuuuggh . . . the Red Board
Have you ever considered that you don't know as much as you think you do?
the Interweb just exploded
if actual logic applied this ^^^ would mean that the plays called by Canales are of NO CONSEQUENCE.
lolz
Shamelessly clueless.
if actual logic applied this ^^^ would mean that the plays called by Canales are of NO CONSEQUENCE.
lolz
Shamelessly clueless.
when it comes to words "your" not standing on solid ground
And logic . . . no chance
Most of the season you've been saying the playoffs DONT MATTER and shouldn't matter but that might be different if the Bucs were a young team.
Uh . . . derp . . the Bucs are young team
I'm about to address specific points with specific answers, which is sure to ruffle feathers.
Otton being open isn't crazy... it's reasonable to assume Otton was a 4th read there
It's not reasonable to assume. You're completely pulling this out of your ass in an attempt to make your point stronger. It's not working.
I have no idea why you continue to reference a play you were wrong about initially and haven't taken the time to rewatch. This might go better for you if would just stop yanking things directly from your anus and watch the play again. If you're honest with yourself, you'll see you are wrong.
But what I do know is almost every NFL play you'll find a window where someone is open.
This isn't true either. Have you ever considered that you don't know as much as you think you do?
Are you suggesting that Canales was just as good vs Carolina as he was vs Eagles? Laughable if that's the case.
More or less, yes. There were dozens of plays out there (some big, some small) that were missed by the QB vs. Carolina, either through not seeing them, seeing them late, or seeing them but making poor throws. Mayfield made those plays this game. He didn't make those plays vs. Carolina. You appear to be too caught up in the result of the play when evaluating the playcaller, and that's foolish.
You are 100% certain that Durham gets that first down with the defender on him?
If the ball is thrown on time and accurately, yes. The defender wasn't on him right away, like you apparently think he was. It was a pretty easy first down at best and an incomplete pass with a FG attempt coming at worse. Instead, the Bucs punted. And you, predictably, hung that on the OC instead of the QB that took a sack he shouldn't have taken.
It's ok to not be a condescending douche 24/7. Give it a try.
These are the edited, non-douchy posts. You should see the first drafts.
Again your quotes cut things short. You just can't help yourself. You gotta snip what you wanna respond to...
Case and point... it's reasonable to assume Otton wasn't the first read but neither of us know for certain (you left out the second part).
And yes, almost every play you will see someone wide open..of course there's exceptions, like a screen play that gets blown up. But when you run 4+ routes, yes someone will likely come open if you have enough time.
To think otherwise is asinine.
And lol that you think Canales called as good of a game vs Carolina as he did vs Eagles. Freaking hilarious.
But, instead of 9 games below average, with 5 in the awful range,
I think this is a wee bit of an exaggeration.
Even by PFF grading, he had 7 games where he graded below average in passing and 1 game where it was graded awful/poor.
I'm going by the adjusted QBR scores and general feel. There's a couple of games that can be considered average or below average depending on how you look at them, but it's still not pretty overall. All we can hope now is that he can learn to string solid performances together over the long haul.
I Added that to complete your thought!!! You implied it with your tone, that is all.
I wouldn't say that I thought you were being a Karen. Just sounded like you're trying too hard to control conversations on a message board. If I thought you were a Karen, I'd call you one. Nothing wrong with being relatively optimistic, just keep in mind others won't agree and they're going to post those feelings.
Otherwise, it's all good.
trying too hard to control conversations on a message board.
I think he was only genuinely trying to limit the trolling and doing so with a little humor. Waste of time, all the personal attacks. Nothing to do with football
Kudos to him.
others won't agree and they're going to post those feelings.
Disagreeing is exactly what should happen on a diverse message board. Thats a lot different than trolling, literally blowing up football conversation - and eventually even the game day thread - with name calling and bickering over nothing.
I think that is what he was understandably trying to stop.
Much respect to him.
That third and one play was all on baker.
at the same time we shouldn’t have called a pass to begin with, so it’s on canales as well.
we were in fg range. Worst case we get stuffed and go for it on fourth and short or kick the fg.
Moot point luckily.
