Just imagine if he stops leaving plays out there as consistently as he has been, or cuts down on his head scratching decision over time. Not a single season, but over a few seasons.
That would be awesome if that were to happen.
But, if you look at his career as a whole, it's more unlikely than likely.
People can pull up his effing stats all they want, but a huge chunk of those are from garbage time. Just look at his adjusted QBR where he's 18th. He's had just 4 games that were considered above average in QBR. Four. He's had 9, yes NINE, below average with 5 of them below 30 which is bottom feeder territory. The other 4 games were average. He sucks. Period. I am 100% convinced that Trask would have done at least as good and won 9 games and we'd have a better answer as to whether or not he could be the guy or if we should draft another starter. But here we are, potentially in a spot to sign the 18th best QB, in a down year no less, to a multi-year deal worth at least $20million a year or more. Makes me want to puke.
If Trask came out and lit it up, we'd have him next season for dirt cheap and could use all the money on players we need to keep or FA's that could fill key holes while we hit the other positions in the draft. If he sucked, then we'd know exactly what we have to do and draft one of the QB's (unless a better FA becomes available). Instead we're limping into the playoffs hoping the more beat up Eagles play like skank ass so we can beat their hated asses and send them back to a burning down Philly. More than likely, we'll end up sucking with a banged up Baker and be packing it up after the season. Of course, we might get to see Bowles sent home then, but, as Frosty said on LV-426, "I have a bad feeling about this!"
But Trask didn’t now did he? I’d rank him 2nd behind Davis mills and ahead of Kellen mond who is on his second team already. Mills - who actually played was replaced by CJ Stroud. Looks like Houston made the right move
Trask was a backup most of his life and was drafted to be a backup QB. Not the worst second round pick of all time - Roberto aguayo, but it’s up there
the trask takes I could have seen in the offseason but once they signed superior baker mayfield and the joke of a competition, some of you still held out his madden franchise hope for him
Then Baker has a career year, albeit still mediocre top 15, outplays his contact and leads the Bucs to the playoffs for the first time since 2007 with a non Brady led team and we are saying we should have trask play.
It’s the equivalent of saying Ryan griffin should have started over jameis Winston. I wasn’t posting during that time but I’m sure some of you ass clowns were clamoring the same back then
PR has reported that Buc will likely draft a QB in 2024 and that is in part due to their assessment that Trask is not a starter
Point: if the reporting is accurate, blame the Bucs or blame Trask for not winning the confidence of the Bucs, but it’s NOT like he sitting there as some unknown quantity
PR has reported that Buc will likely draft a QB in 2024 and that is in part due to their assessment that Trask is not a starter
Point: if the reporting is accurate, blame the Bucs or blame Trask for not winning the confidence of the Bucs, but it’s NOT like he sitting there as some unknown quantity
yeah. I don’t understand what they don’t understand about this.
its like they think trask is in the dog house or being wronged
there’s nothing the front office wanted more but for trask to step up
he just wasn’t capable
and that’s not a dig at him. Only 32 exist in the entire world
its like they think trask is in the dog house or being wronged
When Winston was here there was a big Noles support group on the Red Board. Winston’s failing were almost always attributed to someone else keeping him down or messing him up.
there was also a large Gator contingent who mocked the Noles group for their blind, Noles-before-Bucs devotion to Winston.
Trask is the victim now like Winston then AND for some Mayfield is the foil
its like they think trask is in the dog house or being wronged
When Winston was here there was a big Noles support group on the Red Board. Winston’s failing were almost always attributed to someone else keeping him down or messing him up.
there was also a large Gator contingent who mocked the Noles group for their blind, Noles-before-Bucs devotion to Winston.
Trask is the victim now like Winston then AND for some Mayfield is the foil
yeah see that's what I'm not familiar with is the college football allegiance aspect
but it seems here, if you think Mayfield has done a half decent job, you are called a Baker Bro, even admitting he looked like dog shit last 2 weeks and is a top 15 QB typically so not good enough for a Super Bowl. Most NFL pundits would agree with logic and the Baker being half decent this year angle and that he earned himself a new contract with Bucs.
but then on the other end, i call it Baker Derangement Syndrome, you get people thinking Trask could hold his jock strap. All of a sudden the bar for the Bucs QB starter was to be as good as the GOAT. and if you are not, well hell, the back-up looked good in practice a couple times per off-season reports so why aren't we going to him. and these same folks dont want to be mediocre and make playoffs. This year was the 14th year we have made playoffs in our 48 year franchise existence. I think the Brady years have ruined some people's sense of reality.
There's like no in between. I'm all for improving upon Baker but that option doesn't currently exist on the roster, we wont be picking high enough in the draft, and very few veteran free agents other than most likely Cousins or Wilson who one could argue would exceed Baker in Year 2 of the offense
but it seems you either accept reality on this board or day dream that Trask is the answer. like seriously lmao
I'm praying for a Caleb, Maye, Daniels 1-2-3 in the top 5. And someone snags Penix before ATL does at 8 because he could be their pick.
This would be ideal.
I'm telling you, if Atlanta gets the right guy at HC (could you imagine Ben Johnson being the hire), and Daniels or Penix.
This division is theirs for the foreseeable future.
Someone on the radio this morning opined the Falcons will hire Harbaugh and he will bring Bienemi with him as OC...
It’s the equivalent of saying Ryan griffin should have started over jameis Winston.
It's fitting you used this analogy with Winston since Mayfield's career stats are comparable to Winston's.
It’s the equivalent of saying Ryan griffin should have started over jameis Winston.
It's fitting you used this analogy with Winston since Mayfield's career stats are comparable to Winston's.
both first round bust! except one is starting and will get a huge raise in the off-season, led two different teams to the playoffs while the other has been a back-up for the last 4 years.
Jameis 30 INTs, Mayfield 10 INTs. End of discussion.It’s the equivalent of saying Ryan griffin should have started over jameis Winston.
It's fitting you used this analogy with Winston since Mayfield's career stats are comparable to Winston's.
both first round bust! except one is starting and will get a huge raise in the off-season, led two different teams to the playoffs while the other has been a back-up for the last 4 years.
Jameis 30 INTs, Mayfield 10 INTs. End of discussion.
Comparing Winston's worst INT season vs. one of Baker's best.
Solid argument there, Champ!
Jameis 30 INTs, Mayfield 10 INTs. End of discussion.
Comparing Winston's worst INT season vs. one of Baker's best.
Solid argument there, Champ!
Not only that, but I've lost count on how many gimme picks opponents have dropped this season. Hell, there were at least two last game. We all look at the numbers and think Mayfield has improved in this facet. And maybe has has somewhat, but not to extent it looks on paper.
It’s the equivalent of saying Ryan griffin should have started over jameis Winston.
It's fitting you used this analogy with Winston since Mayfield's career stats are comparable to Winston's.
Yup.
They're very similar.
With less starts, Winston has significantly more yards and more TD's, (while averaging more Pass Y/A and Y/G), along with superior rushing stats.
Obviously, Winston also has way more turnovers.
But, even with those TO's, their ratings are nearly identical.
What's crazy, is that his last year with Payton (before getting injured), he was having a career year. On pace to throw for 34 TD's against only 7 INT's (albeit, only about 3,000 yards, but still had a 5-2 record).
Winston had his fair share of opponent drops as well. It's fair to use Mayfield's stats this year because that's the only year he's had with the Bucs. Bowles emphasis was not to turn the ball over, and Mayfield followed through with that. He had an INT% of 1.8%. What he did in past years with other teams is irrelevant, but he has a career INT% of 2.6%. As for Winston he did have his worst year in the last year, but he has a career INT% of 3.4% of course 99% of his stats were with the Bucs. His best year he had 2.5% in 13 games in 2017. The other years were 2.8, 3.2, 2.7 and 4.8.Jameis 30 INTs, Mayfield 10 INTs. End of discussion.
Comparing Winston's worst INT season vs. one of Baker's best.
Solid argument there, Champ!
Not only that, but I've lost count on how many gimme picks opponents have dropped this season. Hell, there were at least two last game. We all look at the numbers and think Mayfield has improved in this facet. And maybe has has somewhat, but not to extent it looks on paper.
So yes turnovers are the main difference between Mayfield and Winston. That is the reason Mayfield was able to keep his job and the reason Winston didn't keep his. I don't actually know what you are trying to point out here.
